N-Pulse PC or iPhone (Read post first)
 

I seem to have a very disgruntled little man at the moment, who shall stay nameless. He has called me basically every name under the sun saying I am not big enough to ask this question.. so here goes.


We are creating a new N-Pulse. Yes, it's new.. there is very little of what N-Pulse was, apart from it's history. I am basing the 2 old kingdoms off on each other, Armodia, and Kalton.. There is many take over points over the overworld, and would be advantages of taking over places, and rewards. (this would need a higher playercount to work). There is also a in depth story line, jobs, events, sparing, PKing, small side games and such.

Now, would you rather see this on a iPhone server, or would it make it as a PC server? Please cast your vote on how you'd rather see the direction of the server go.

Thank you,

Ducati

How many times are you going to change the direction of the server lol. I think a Manager with a little more stability is needed for N-Pulse on an iOS.

Sorry Ducati, but I have to say PC, N-Pulse is, and probably never will be suited for iPhone.

There is no different direction - I already chosen a direction.. It's looking good, and all the base of it is setup.

I just had a very angry man yelling at me to do this, so I did.


And Ray, yeah, old N-Pulse wouldn't be.. which is why we have created a new N-Pulse.

iCommunity is obviously a larger playerbase so to have an iPhone release is probably more worth it, it just depends on whether you can grab some ~100 players out of the thousands that play iEra and iClassic.

If UN is struggling imagine how Npulse will do. ;/

I honestly don't think we'd get great response on PC. It's to few players to share around.. And when Classic and Atlantis come out, that would be even more done in, as those are seriously impressive servers. (Yes, I have been called selfish because of the PC N-Pulsians would like it on PC.. but sadly the small count doesn't help our situation)

I think we can make a really good iPhone server. I have worked for iClassic and understand how the players work. We have some really simple, but good ideas in place.. and seeing I am already known to a few on iClassic, I think I could get a good community going :)

I think that if you're going to put hard work into a server, it might aswell aim to be on the iPlatform, because that's where your playerbase will be. PC needs some drastic changes before we see a healthy playercount again and most people are either on Era or Zodiac. Both of those servers have (relative to Graal) unique playstyles so UN is really the only potential playerbase you can look at...which makes all that hard work not really worth it when aiming for PC.

Old N-Pulse players who still wish to play N-Pulse could probably do so through FB (or Graal v6 when Stefan finally realizes that this is the right path to take!).

Well N-Pulse WAS always a PK/Spar server with alternative questing and events. But sparing on a iDevice proves to be more challenging then you would think. At the point of conception of, "hey lets make an iphone server" I honestly think you might as well go from scratch with your own server, your own name, and your own ideas. But then again I wont spend more then 15 minutes at a time on an iServer and ocassionally even that is not possible as I get the eppic cooldown warning from the iphone overheating. (iPhone 3gs and 4, not sure how 4s preforms tho).

Maybe someday, Apple will allow bluetooth keyboards for more then text based input. Untill then I cast no vote.

I know many people who prefer pk/sparing on the iPhone/iPad than the keyboard. It's preference.

Hey guys, we are working on a new version of N-Pulse, scrapping everything but the history and marketing it to people who wouldn't care either way as they've never played the old server.

Why not start an entirely new project instead of wasting N-Pulse resources and using it's name to attract developers. I hope to god you're paying for the server that you're developing on and not some other poor sap.

At least PC is balanced as everyone can pk on a pc and not everyone can pk on an ipad, I for one cannot and would feel completely discriminated that I could no longer pk.. at that point it's not prefrence its just dissapointment. But yeah not all ipad players or iphone players have a pc..


I mean iPhone N-Pulse in itself is a completely new (to npulse at least) idea. Anything they make will basically be there own server just stealing, well they have premession to, but using the N-Pulse name that Geovanie once ruled. It's like opening a fast food burger joint and using the name McDonalds just because you got more customers.. but sadly our opinions do not matter iNpulse will continue.

Why start over when they can just recycle the historic name(s)/content and use it to their advantage? Look at iDelteria, do those look like Delterians to you?

Exactly, Crono.

I use to be one of those living in the past, but sadly, as I do like PC, but GraalOnline is much more popular on the iDevices. Why can't I use N-Pulse? I have been at N-Pulse from just about the start.. and have put many years into it. I would love to see it as a popular server again, and if that means moving it into the 21st century.. why is that a bad thing? I know many a old N-Pulsians who would love to see it come to the iPhone so they could catch up and play.

As I have said - I would like to make a PC version too, but it would be different from the iVersion. But our iNPulse is in top priority at the moment.

I will never have an iphone or ipad to play Graal on, so I really don't know what it is all about, but that is where Graal is doing well, so you should go for it.

I think the main question was wether the N-Pulse comminuty would rather a PC version or a iPhone version. The community is what made N-Pulse what it is. Sure, iPhone servers have higher playercounts. Give it a few years for the app stores to populate more games as hardware gets better. I don't deny you will have a higher player count. But are you being as loyal to the community as they are to you? And that would rather depend on hearing the input from the whole community not just one person or there similar minded friends.

I have stated it before, I would like to see both a PC version and an iPhone version. But making it an iphone server just to get more players rather then listening what the people who made it want... is just.. wow. selfish. it pleases you by seeing a higher player count. There are many servers that have proven a high player count can be accomplished.

In the realm of pk/spar servers that are public you have UN. With Zodiac and Val being more Role Play based. A meer 2 hours ago Zodiac wasnt even working and now that it is back up they are already at 38 players. I often see them hit near 100 players. So what happens when UN collapses? The traditional non-rpg style Spar/PK times will be at an end. And I say that based on weapons will have stats and it will no longer be button smashing with equal opportunity. At least untill Classic is finished.

I have talked to many a players - and some want iphone, some want PC. I'd say I have come across more that want iphone than PC.. because they can play more often and catch up that way.

I think you want iphone server and this thread is completely useless. Do what you want and dont let others get in the way.

Her only care is more players. Because her formula is that more players is more fun. She will argue that till the death and has already done so. Forget about the forfathers of the server, you have your own needs to fulfill.

Anyone who knows me would tell you I am most certainly not about myself - I am doing this for the players, and unlike what people think.. I have talked to alot of N-Pulsians that I have contact with, about it.

Go Ahead and post the count you got for people who don't have forum access then that were part of the n-pulse community.. that would rather be iphone..

your doing it for the "playercount" not the "players" themselves tho.

Even in the BEST case senario it goes iPhone and Facebook.. sure it may have 750-1500 players roughly online at a time, most of them with 10 minutes to 10 hours. I was actually on earlier and couldn't find many people over 5-10 minutes online time. But then the Facebook version lags, and heaven forbid you use linux like me, because then your flash support is horrible. If only we also had HTML5 version =/

If everyone is gonna focus on the playercount, there will never be a server with high enough quality to restore some glory to PC Graal, and thus it will never get any attention from Stefan.

My point exactly :( Oh well, at least I'm not the only one noticing.

Sure - here is part of it if you so wish to read. I am keeping peoples names out of it, as it's facebook and it's peoples real names.


<N-Pulseian 1>
I dont have the iphone! I have an android

<Me>
there is no android version yet
so would that mean you'de prefer PC?

<N-Pulseian 1>
Not really... i dont use my pc. Id rather someone buy me an iphone!!!!

<N-Pulseian 2>
I want it to be iPhone.

<N-Pulseian 3>
Is rather it be android and like staff can use pc version like delteria. X

<N-Pulseian 2>
Staff can go on PC.
I just think its pointless to have it PC only as it will get a whole 6 or 7 people on at peak times most of which will probably be staff

<N-Pulseian 4>
Iphone= more players=better then pc version

<N-Pulseian 3>
Pc version is doomed xD

<N-Pulseian 3>
I like the idea of making ipulse hehe

<N-Pulseian 4>
I dunno if this Convo Is still up or not but, I dont like playing anything other then board games for the iPhone. The controls are too hard as my hands are too big and the screen too small. I'd prefer pc, but either way I'd be around. iPhone's fine!

<N-Pulseian 5>
I personally like pc version (:

<N-Pulseian 6>
I don't have an iphone so I don't know which is better or more fun however I do know that most people have a PC or Laptops and those who have iphone might also have a PC or Laptop. Perhaps the majority still wins. Just sayin’

<N-Pulseian 7>
iPhone I guess for the player count. Just a shame i'm on Android

What is a server with no players? I'm really not to sure what that achieves... apart from.. a lot of wasted time?

The PC player count is already limited, and with a selection of some very good servers coming.. how do you keep afloat? You don't.. it just dwindles like it did before.

So let me get this straight?

So out of those people you listed, 4 said they would not be capable of playing an iphone server but were more for the idea, guess it benefits them none.

3 more also said they were 100% for iPhone and that pc was dooooomed.

So if 2 people on the forum say iPhone plus the 3 from your list that would actually benefit from an iPhone server, you know catching up and so on....

Even if you don't count the 4 that would not be helped the vote thus far would be 5 to 9... almost a 50% pc favor. =/ and thats not counting people it could potentially help bumping the count to as far as even 5 vs 13... =/


If Zodiac and Era can hold over 50 players, any other server can too.. so to say that the pc will only have 8 players.. if you go the way of pure event system then yes you will fail. Otherwise you cant make such assumptions. Quality content = what the players what.

By one of your graalians math, more players = more fun.. if i took 1000 players and put them in a single room with nothing to do it would be absolute fun? am i correct? WRONG! n-pulse lacked quality at the end when the quests were removed you shot yourself in the leg.

And if people make good centent for the pc players will keep playing.. i watch you guys chase your playercount off.. i witness people yelling at new players till they log off.. its sickening.

I see at least a favour of 7 with iphone, in a short count. I messaged 9 people off hand to ask.. 6 comes back with iphone in favour, 2 pc, and 1 had no real opinion on the matter.

If I'd like to waste more time in trying to prove I have more of a backing, I could. But I really dont see the point?

Look at the 2 highest count servers, Era and Zodiac.. neither are classic servers. Then you have GK.. that isn't a classic server either. The best thing you have to a classic server at the moment is UN.. and it's player count isn't as great. We dont want to take N-Pulse out of it's classic state, as to us, that isn't what N-Pulse is.

We could argue this till the cows come home really - but at the end of the day, you arn't going to please everyone, you can't.. If I changed my mind and went for PC, I would have people complaining about that.. where in this situation do you win? Sadly, for you, someone has to make a decision, and that has been me and my core team.. and we have decided that this is the best move for N-Pulse.

Actually numbers 1, 2 and 6 did not own an iphone. I miscounted, #6 prefered PC but said he would also like a iPulse..

My major point here is that your not looking at whats best for the community but the server itself. Your ousting us infavor for new players at a higher count. And the numbers here all speak for themselves. I am not saying you can please everyone but you should try and please as many as you can. customer service is key.

Also un needs alot of work done to it, you basically have no competiton. Zodiac and Era arnt great because they have non classic style and GK is only failing because everyone is max level 110 sitting in bomboria trade. I am a LONG time GK player. This account alone is 2,500 hours. Scriptless2 is about 1,700 hours. And I could add up another 1,500 scattered across many of my accounts. You dont know why these servers failed. You just know they did. and untill you understand there mistakes you will only be destined to repeat them.

Yeah and if you changed your server to PC you would also have more developers.

N-Pulse Community - Okay, as much as I love the N-Pulse community... I'd say a good 96% of them don't play anymore, and would have very little interest in coming back. So.. that leave us with 10'ish players.. Lets even say we get 20!
Now.. as sad as it is.. this is all voluntary work, and there is a lot of time and effort put into this, and with very limited resources.. Do I think it's counter productive to keep 10-20 N-Pulsians PC players happy.. or start fresh and make it live again, and make 100's happy.. Now.. if this makes me selfish, so be it! I am very sorry you feel that way, but I have no selfish means to this, apart from trying to do what's best for N-Pulse, and it's new and old community.

N-Pulse had nothing to "play" besides events. You took away all there questing. Completely. Once you logged onto N-Pulse you basically beat it. Even I myself quit playing after that BS move. Did you not learn from others failing by doing this?

I could prove you wrong about npulse struggling like UN if it came back. But I would rather wait and let classic do that.

N-Pulse was on of the first who did it, because Graal moved from P2P and alot of people couldn't afford accounts.

And N-Pulse hasn't been favoured by the Graalian Gods, I can count many projects that were in the making.. but sadly still didn't make a huge difference. I think one of the best chances N-Pulse had in the past was to merge with EoA, and it kinda did happen in the end.. but again, so many peoples disliking to change.. not alot of stuff went forward. So, am I blaming the community for this? well I guess in a little way, yes. I really like to question how much you played N-Pulse, and for how long..

As for Classic, yes, that is an incredible server! as is Atlantis.. both have small teams, but have people who are amazing at what they do! We don't have so much luck.. N-Pulsians seem to breed LAT's more than anything, and as nice as levels can be.. it's probably the least special development type. I dont have their resources, and we dont have people like that willing to dedicate their time for us.. so, no.. we can't really compete with them...

You had small teams but you often would dissapear and do no work. Then sage stopped doing work, you told me you wanted iPhone and I quit. Seems like you guys really value your staff and respect them.

I played N-Pulse since about 2002-2003. I created the (Storm) guild in 2003. And according to my qoute that I literally counted to the exact second..

http://graalonline.com/members/viewp...&nick=mewtoo18

I had already become a regular player. My brother played dialy up untill the quests stopped. We both worked for N-Pulse. I worked several times from Events all the way up to NAT Captain. I actually worked for EoA, as did my brother when it was in development. Before the merge.

When I was playing Moonie was the manager. She did a greal job. I remember seeing the level 3 sword quest being released. You had to pick the right door or get warped back to the start.. similar to the ZOOT forest where you would follow music or end up at the beginning except N-Pulse had less help accomplishing that.

I remember Moonie handing the server down. I remember Zido, Rai, Jadynx, Ajs16, SaDiE, and the rest of them all having important positions from Admin to Management.

I have been around. I have logged my time into N-Pulse. I have put my sweat and tears into it and now I have to sit here and let you run a dictatorship?

N-Pulse had a level 3 sword quest in the start.

Anyway, me as a dictatorship? yeah, shows how well you know me. You know I asked everyone on their opinions on things before going forward with it. I am not about myself, and I don't run N-Pulse solely.. I may have the 'final say' but I go with the majority, not what I think. Every server has a manager, and how they run it, is upto them. I like to give my team a say and choice rather than dictate the show.. and you can anyone if I have been forcefully putting things to them. (but you already know all this, but just because we have decided to go iPhone and YOU dont like it.. you've turned nasty like a spoilt child).

Hmm the way I count. If you don't even read the comments your 7 graalians said and you just assumed they all were for the iPhone which some said PC PC PC ... you would be tied 9 to 9 vote. But lacking many other votes such as ajs16 and darkreign3 which both would rather the PC. Which would put you at a 9 to 11 vote. And your telling me your helping the majority.

I dont think you quite understand what your saying. You want to make a server and these people are telling you if you want to make your own server do whats best for the playercount since afterall you have no players to keep happy on a fresh new server.

You have been offered to be given a free of charge server to use for iPhone develpment. Which you refused. Why? Why not take the offer give US the "gserver" and let your team work on a "playerworld". You may not have the team to do both projects but let someone else do it. Because you are putting the nail in the coffen. You are denying us of our lifetime classic. The only reason I ever paid for graal was N-Pulse. It was my first server.

You have selfish needs. You refuse to let anyone develop a PC N-Pulse and I hope everyone here is reading your selfish posts. The numbers dont lie your pissing the majority off.

Wow, that's one hell of a bubble you live in Scriptless.

How many people have had N-Pulse from when it was down, and how many have got it back? none. But it is I who is selfish because I am wanting to put it iPhone before PC? It would be the 80% of the same as the iphone version, so it would just be basicly converting it, and replacing the kingdoms. But again, you dont know our plans, you certainly dont me.. so to call me selfish because YOU want the server... wow.. I dont know what to say to that.

And the majority? How about all the new player who would become part of the N-Pulse community? do they not count either? It's only the 11 oldbies we are going to be focused on, and that's it?

Sorry but now im confused. Earlier in this thread you were saying something about pleasing a majority of the people and now your saying you dont care about the majority because you care about more people?

So what about the new players to the PC community thats not fair to them. I think you have pretty much contradicted your dictatorship into a corner and now your loosing foothold.

You said how many people have tried to brign it back, well to my knowledge You, SlickRick and Matt. But you obviously failed with the pc version.

I never even had a chance to fail. But you say you cant work on both projects because you dont have the resources, which is cool and all but I have the resources for PC you have the resources minus the scripters and gats to do the iphone server.

Seems logical that the project should have 2 divisions. But correct me if your wrong you are using that server just so you dont have to pay for another server to do the iphone development on. and to my knowledge that was against the ToS or EULA. And your recycling the names without the community's premission at this point. you have stolen graphics in the past, you are unfit to manage the server at this time.

Don't make me link to all the proof you have stolen SEVERAL graphics. Because I will.

Oh try getting your staff all on the same page.. it would help if you were actively on the server.. im on it and i see 0 staff and players..

http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...4266379&page=2

He just dropped the bomb.

Yes, please do link all the GFX I have 'stolen'. We are working on now is nothing what you even know of. And any graphics used from these forums, that I believe to be free GFX and are now.. I am more than happy to change (as I did with Dustys bush). Things like the LTTP tiles, already explained and old news... same with the chests, already explained that all those ones are changing and used as a base for example. Anything else, please do.

And no, I am making N-Pulse for iPhone, how hard is that for you to grasp.. N.P.U.L.S.E. I will be converting it to PC.. that's why I am not going to be handing it over for a whole new project.

Sadly this is all about you not liking it, and acting like a *****.. but guess you're going to hack me now, right?


And yeah, Majority, as in both the new and old community. I factor in everybody.

So you cant be trusted with copyright law's. You contradict yourself. Your staff dont even know what page your on. And you still find yourself fit to be management?

Regardless of developing N P U L S E for iphone you cant use that server to develop and bypass the payment syetem for graal.. which you have stated you are doing. how hard to understand might that be? thats why you cant use testbed to develop your server on.

Servers that also have dev servers pay for both.. it's completely fine to transfer over like that. but evading the payment system is flat out not allowed regardless of the fact that YOUR server is STEALING the name N-PULSE.

My server is stealing the name N-Pulse? Seriously?

And you havn't worked for us for several months now, so you dont have any idea of what going on. As for copyright laws... yeah, because graal still doesn't have things that are taken off Zelda.. it's really only me that's breaking the minor rules (though I am only using them for a temp amount of time in development stages, which isn't gaining money) so yeah, if people are going to distrust me for that... sue me. I will be a parrot and say anything taken from the forums unknowingly, we would change right away, as we have done.

And if we are just stealing the name 'N-Pulse' I wouldn't be allowed to use the levels, gfx, ganis, it's events, concepts or any of it's content. But the fact that we are using all of it, I think it shows we are actually working on the server N-Pulse.... I know that may be a shock to you...

I highly doubt you're using all of the ganis :P

Also Ducati, I've never seen this side of you before, it's not very flattering, also, it's showing a lack of control, which in turn is definitely giving off bad vibes to anyone else even taking their time to have interest in the project.

Overall, I think you guys should take this to PMs like adults and let this thread get back on track.

Also as a reply to waaaay back on first page, New N-Pulse..? How much do you believe you can change and still be able to call it N-Pulse?