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Gunderak

12-13-2011 04:47 PM

GS2 Guide

First off, I know there are probably better ones out there, but this isn't completed yet anyway.
Just letting you all know, I am working on a GS2 Guide even though myself I am still learning bits and pieces.
I will hopefully be adding to it every second day if not daily.
Here is the link http://graalscript2.99k.org/
The reason why I decided to make this is quite simple.
A lot of players including myself when they first scripting start don't like reading huge pages on information jammed together.
So I decided to try and make mine as Understandable and Uncluttered as possible.
I have also achieved the uncluttered part by what I think is a simple user friendly interface.
PS: If you couldn't be bothered to read the About page properly, to navigate click the Index image.

Emera

12-13-2011 05:57 PM

It's nice and all that you're trying to contribute to the community, and don't get me wrong it's a nice idea. But, like many other learning scripters (me being one of them), the guide might be a little bit off and dodgy as far as information is concerned since you haven't been scripting that long. I would also like to take a crack at making a cool guide for others to learn from, but I feel that I don't know enough about it to make one yet. Also, the design of the web page isn't very vibrant and it makes the text easy to read. The font you're using is Times new Roman, and that also makes the page look a bit dodgy since the back of the page looks more high-tech. It's a nice idea though! Try and have a look at these pages for some hints and tips I've found useful in the past.

www.w3schools.com
www.killersites.com
www.tripwiremagazine.com

Gunderak

12-13-2011 06:42 PM

Well I plan to add things as I learn more.
So then others can lean aswell.
As for the design, the site is purely based on one file, index.html.
It is still in "beta" and I am going to tweak the UI of it based on feedback.
As for the font, can you reccomend any trendy high tech looking ones to use?

Emera

12-13-2011 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gunderak (Post 1677651)

I could quickly knock up a better design for you in gedit if you want? For the font, even the simple Arial would be better than that.

fowlplay4

12-13-2011 09:40 PM

I really don't think you're qualified or have enough experience to attempt to teach others GS2.

Your website and navigation is absolute ****, your navigation links don't even work. Why even have it drop down, there's nothing below it to begin with.

You mention how it's uncluttered and understandable when you can barely even make your posts meet those criteria.

You barely even teach them anything at all. Here's the other pages for those interested:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Basics

Difference between ServerSide and ClientSide
This is probably one of the most important things to consider when scripting anything.
How it works is quite simple but learning what is ServerSide only or what is ClientSide only can be hard for some people. Anything above //#CLIENTSIDE in any script is considered ServerSide Anything below it is considered ClientSide

Some ServerSide Only Things
Say you want to add a weapon to a player, you'd generally do something like this. findplayer("Account").addweapon(name); this function is ServerSide only, meaning it must be above //#CLIENTSIDE

Things That Can Be Changed ClientSide
player.x, player.y, player.chat can all be changed ClientSide. Meaning underneath the //#CLIENTSIDE I talked about.

Extra
For an example, if you do something like this in a script.

This won't work because player.alpha along with a few other's like player.rotation are completly different and need to be changed via a gani, but I will get to that at a later date.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Addition

The Weapon
Make a new weapon, click the weapon button, click add, name it something. In the weapon script put this in it.

Next return to your Graal window and write /add FirstNumber SecondNumber
If you followed correctly if you press F2 it should have echoed Sum: Answer

How It Works?
Well to start off the script just adds the weapon to yourself. Then it checks if you write /add and if you do it tokenizes you're chat and gets each piece depending on where you put a space. It gets the first and second numbers to add together and then makes a temporary variable named output and then echo's it.

Worry about yourself and becoming adept at scripting because right now you're the last person who should be attempting to teach anyone anything, you're just going to mislead them.

Emera

12-13-2011 10:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fowlplay4 (Post 1677669)

The Truth

I was trying to put it nicely, but dude that's exactly what I meant.

Tricxta

12-14-2011 12:06 AM

I like Fowlplay's guide better, it's both more straight to the point and better worded. I understand it's good practice to teach others to enforce your own understanding on the subject but alot more thought should've gone into this. This guide touches on the distinction between server and client side but it hardly even pierces it, you just give a few examples. Perhaps it would be better if you talked more about why you would use serverside as opposed to clientside.

Also....

Quote:

Originally Posted by Basics

Extra
For an example, if you do something like this in a script.

This won't work because player.alpha along with a few other's like player.rotation are completely different and need to be changed via a gani, but I will get to that at a later date.

You're basically lieing here, I was playing around with things the other night and I managed to manipulate player.rotation via script on the clientside not in a gani(it's only if you want it to be seen serverside that a gani is necessary).

Imo you should take your website down to avoid confusing new-comers. Fowlplay's guide is enough to help people understand the basics of GS2.

Just my 2 cents worth though...

MattKan

12-14-2011 12:23 AM

I sob.

iBeatz

12-14-2011 01:16 AM

In my opinion, as a guide for beginners to GS2, you don't really start with the basics here, Gunderak. Instead, you jump straight into more complex ideas and features which are harder to grasp for those without a basic knowledge of GS2.

Try to slow it down a bit.

Gunderak

12-14-2011 01:30 AM

Well regardless of what some people may think, I'm leaving it up and will try to make it better as time goes by.
The reason behind this is that I would like to help people learn such as a few of my friends who are getting bored of being a LAT on Dev servers.
I will work on the UI as some people don't like it aswell.
@Emera I don't see why the font would need to be changed as it is just something simple.
@Fowlplay the links do work, they open inside the iFrame.

fowlplay4

12-14-2011 01:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gunderak (Post 1677719)

Well regardless of what some people may think, I'm leaving it up and will try to make it better as time goes by.
And Fowlplay the links do work, they open inside the iFrame.

Then understand that I will continue to criticize each update as you make it aware.

On both IE9 and Opera they changed the window content to 'filename.html'. It's broken.

Gunderak

12-14-2011 02:23 AM

Internet Explorer, really? O_O
Well anyway that aside as I find problems by users giving feedback I will improve it.
The user interface I think il just remove the hide and show effect of the index.
That will solve a few problems.

You are quite welcome to criticize al you want, as long as its constructive criticism.
If it isn't then I'll just ignore it :D

And tricxta of course you can modify it clientside but that's kinda useless. you even said so youreself when you said it won't be seen serverside. so what's the point of it if its not shown serverside?

Tolnaftate2004

12-14-2011 02:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gunderak (Post 1677730)

Internet Explorer, really? O_O

It's also broken on FF9 (although I think "javascript:..." links were removed in FF7 or 8).

You might also consider Twitter Bootstrap and reading A List Apart to help with the aesthetics of your trainwreck.

DustyPorViva

12-14-2011 02:40 AM

Don't use frames anyways, use php's include/reload or something.

Tolnaftate2004

12-14-2011 02:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DustyPorViva (Post 1677734)

Don't use frames anyways, use php's include/reload or something.

Or AJAX to retain that "refresh-less" structure.

Gunderak

12-14-2011 05:04 AM

I might make another version in PHP and post a link here to it.

cbk1994

12-14-2011 05:31 AM

Agreeing with Jer here as usual. You're in no position to be teaching someone else to script when we have to fight you to stop putting quotes around numbers.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gunderak (Post 1677730)

Internet Explorer, really? O_O

There's nothing particularly wrong with IE 9. Your page is the problem, not the browser.

Gunderak

12-14-2011 07:03 AM

In my defence I like quotes :D
But IE..... seriously ew...
Well the page works fine in Firefox and Google Chrome.
I haven't tested it on other browsers yet.

fowlplay4

12-14-2011 07:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gunderak (Post 1677765)

In my defence I like quotes :D
But IE..... seriously ew...
Well the page works fine in Firefox and Google Chrome.
I haven't tested it on other browsers yet.

What's ew is black text on a dark grey background, and your word-art.

Use jQuery's click instead of a javascript href link, as tol pointed out that functionality is being phased out of browsers.

Gunderak

12-14-2011 08:12 AM

My word-art isn't that bad -.-
So what are you suggesting?
I was just going to make a function something like this.

PHP Code:


		
			
function ChangePage(input){
  iframe.location = input;
}

And then on/click just use something like "ChangePage('newpage');"
Stupid incapsula wont let me write on-click as one word..

fowlplay4

12-14-2011 08:39 AM

You are blind to your own creations.

Something like this:

PHP Code:


		
			
$(function () {

   $("a.link_class").click(function () {

     iframe.location = this.href;

     return false;

   });

})

HTML Code:

<a href="basics.html" class="link_class">Basics</a>

Gunderak

12-14-2011 10:15 AM

Ahok, that looks fancier than mine :3

Fulg0reSama

12-14-2011 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fowlplay4 (Post 1677669)

You're the last person who should be attempting to teach anyone anything, you're just going to mislead them.

*Ahem*
I'm clearly the last person who should be teaching anyone. :\

Gunderak

12-14-2011 01:47 PM

O_o?
Fowlplay is always so sutle when speaking to me :D

Crow	12-14-2011 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gunderak (Post 1677803)

O_o?
Fowlplay is always so sutle when speaking to me :D

No need to be.

Skyld

12-14-2011 05:35 PM

IFRAMEs shouldn't be used as an integral part of your website design :(

callimuc

12-14-2011 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fowlplay4 (Post 1677722)

On both IE9 and Opera they changed the window content to 'filename.html'. It's broken.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gunderak (Post 1677765)

Well the page works fine in Firefox and Google Chrome.
I haven't tested it on other browsers yet.

Index doesn´t work for me on:
FireFox
IE

It just works on Google Chrome. Will test it on Opera in a sec.

EDIT:
Also doesn´t seem to work on Opera.

Tolnaftate2004

12-14-2011 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fowlplay4 (Post 1677779)

snip

There's no need for jQuery,

HTML Code:

<a href="basics.html" target="framename">Basics</a>

e: I shouldn't nitpick, the true horror is that there is an iframe.

Gunderak

12-15-2011 02:53 AM

I am currently working on a completely re designed look I will post here when it's done.

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