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Admins 05-28-2013 02:26 AM

Phasing out v5
 
It's almost one year since we have released v6, time to proceed and disabling the old version. However there are still around 10% of players which use v5. Please tell us why you use v5:
- Because v5 looks better/different?
- Is v5 faster for you? Have you recently tried v6?
- Advancements like external PM windows are not a reason to switch?
- Playerlist on v5 feels nicer?

If v5 is released, the development staff including scripters can use more advanced features of v6 like multiple GUI styles and external windows. Will you switch to v6 if the old version is disabled or will it be a serious problem for you?

Tim_Rocks 05-28-2013 02:31 AM

Awesome, can't wait for everyone to be on the same client.

Fulg0reSama 05-28-2013 02:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stefan (Post 1718391)
It's almost one year since we have released v6, time to proceed and disabling the old version. However there are still around 10% of players which use v5. Please tell us why you use v5:
- Because v5 looks better/different?
- Is v5 faster for you? Have you recently tried v6?
- Advancements like external PM windows are not a reason to switch?
- Playerlist on v5 feels nicer?

If v5 is released, the development staff including scripters can use more advanced features of v6 like multiple GUI styles and external windows. Will you switch to v6 if the old version is disabled or will it be a serious problem for you?

Personally, I like v5's appearance better, I also appreciate using the built-in joypad controls from time to time, v6's chat/playerlist likes to mess with me by everytime other time I click out of an external window in it, it decides to minimize the entire client, but that could be due to me not updating the client.

Just to make it clear about the joypad support reason, I know there are programs that can make your joypads useable still, but why should I have to do something like this when the old version clearly shows there is support for it?

I will usually jump on v6 anyways just so I can get used to it for when this would eventually happen, but those are my reasons I prefer v5 still for player use.

v5 or v6 doesn't bother me in choice, v6 does operate better for servers that are up to date for me, so if anything, I'd love to switch entirely to v6, but these minor things are what keep me from doing so, I usually get on Graal just so I can keep a check on those friends that still play I know of and If I can't do it seamlessly, why bother?

BlueMelon 05-28-2013 02:53 AM

I don't even remember what V5 looks like any more

Fulg0reSama 05-28-2013 03:00 AM

Just to give a refresher of both version's general appearances in GUIs/playerlist, view here at imgur

http://imgur.com/yCzqQyb,bM1m1Ny,gvc...um0AyJ,YptWgzG

Personally, v5 handled it better with using the GUIs for simple windows like "Connecting to Server" with the default font, but the font in v6 is just ghastly to read, makes me feel like I'm being scolded at just by looking at it.

I also like the appearance of the playerlist window over the current, makes it look too busy with the blue and bulbous scrollbars, which are fine for scripted window boxes. (My opinion)

Rave_J 05-28-2013 04:27 AM

since i switch to v6 seem like i start to lag more but cant tell if its from the lag on era or the client

TSAdmin 05-28-2013 05:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rave_J (Post 1718399)
since i switch to v6 seem like i start to lag more but cant tell if its from the lag on era or the client

If it's not an FPS drop you're talking about, then it's the connection between you and the server and not likely anything to do with the client itself. The word "lag" is horribly misused these days, so forgive me if that's exactly what you meant in the first place.

Rave_J 05-28-2013 05:39 AM

I don't think its on my end due i have a high internet connection and the server was in texas so ya when i do a ping test its low
just seems like graal holds back my pc performance for some reason but offline it does it too example v5 offline level editor when u test run a level i dont lag at all during v5 now v6 since a few months ago it lags when i test my level offline for some reason and my pc is only a year old with windows 7

fowlplay4 05-28-2013 06:33 AM

1. No UDP/P2P - This wouldn't be a problem if you improved the server<->client communication and interpolation to smooth out movement.
2. V5 Playerlist is superior in many players opinions.
3. Fonts appear bolded in comparison to V6.

Crono 05-28-2013 10:31 AM

I like the v5 playerlist/profile windows and the font appearance. Not really serious though.

Lack of UDP is only really important for classic-style sparrers, and UN is practically dead so I doubt anyone cares/knows what it is. With v6 players, and not only staff, should be able to log on the iServers. Facebook client is ****. List the servers on the serverlist, let's see some pretty numbers for Graal's sake.

Cubical 05-28-2013 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crono (Post 1718414)
I like the v5 playerlist/profile windows and the font appearance. Not really serious though.

Lack of UDP is only really important for classic-style sparrers, and UN is practically dead so I doubt anyone cares/knows what it is. With v6 players, and not only staff, should be able to log on the iServers. Facebook client is ****. List the servers on the serverlist, let's see some pretty numbers for Graal's sake.

Whenever I look for mobile games now I usually look to see if it has a PC counterpart so I can play it when I'm at home on the PC so I'm not straining my eyes on the phone and when I'm at work or waiting around. Cross device portability is where everything is heading not just games but legitimate work applications, social applications. Graal has the advantage that other online games do not have and that's to make its content available on all devices with it's current functionality. I'd play iClassic and iZone if i was able to play on the PC as well as my phone but I just cant stand spending hours staring at my phone.

Starfire2001 05-28-2013 12:11 PM

Still use v5 because of...

UDP

Gos_pira 05-28-2013 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fowlplay4 (Post 1718407)
1. No UDP/P2P - This wouldn't be a problem if you improved the server<->client communication and interpolation to smooth out movement.
2. V5 Playerlist is superior in many players opinions.
3. Fonts appear bolded in comparison to V6.

This. And also the profile window from v5 is better. The external windows should be worked on more so they behave more like native windows.

Maybe generate Gtk / Windows Forms from the scripts rather than rendering it like it's done now?

Tim_Rocks 05-28-2013 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cubical (Post 1718417)
Whenever I look for mobile games now I usually look to see if it has a PC counterpart so I can play it when I'm at home on the PC so I'm not straining my eyes on the phone and when I'm at work or waiting around. Cross device portability is where everything is heading not just games but legitimate work applications, social applications. Graal has the advantage that other online games do not have and that's to make its content available on all devices with it's current functionality. I'd play iClassic and iZone if i was able to play on the PC as well as my phone but I just cant stand spending hours staring at my phone.

I couldn't agree more with you, I'd also like to see keyboard support for the iDevices so I can get a PC feeling while I'm online. Could be a nice change of pace, not sure if it's already been done though.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gos_pira (Post 1718424)
This. And also the profile window from v5 is better. The external windows should be worked on more so they behave more like native windows.

Maybe generate Gtk / Windows Forms from the scripts rather than rendering it like it's done now?

I understand this, but I've been using v6 for more than a year now (ever since beta), and exactly as Blue stated; I have no idea what v5 even looks like anymore. It grows on you, trust me.

alskdjfhg 05-29-2013 03:45 AM

UDP, thanks


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