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SharkeySprinkles 02-12-2015 12:58 PM

The Problem With Players Today
 
Entitlement
en·ti·tle·ment
noun
-The belief that one is inherently deserving of privileges or special treatment.
"No wonder your kids have a sense of entitlement"

For some reason (probably the way your parents raise you or treat you), a vast majority of you feel entitled. This means that you truly believe that you deserve to have a spot on the staff team.

What have you ever done for Era (or for anyone other than yourself)? Constantly whining and complaining about present staff or what's wrong with Era doesn't mean you're some expert and that we should hire you. Then, by some miracle you do get hired, and the first thing you do is complain that you don't have enough rights. You need more rights, because you're a PR, and obviously you need access to the levels folders, as well as the right to spawn.

You all do realize that you don't need to be a staff member to help this game, or its community, right? I can name plenty of current staff members that before they were staff made countless images, levels, events, and never wanted anything for handing them over for use (myself included). These are the people who truly deserve staff rights, and these are the people I look for and hire.

I do not fear my staff who threaten me with "Well if I don't get my way, I'm leaving!" Fine, leave, you clearly are not mature enough to be a part of my staff team. Same goes for those who threaten to quit the game. You're not hurting my feelings, we will roll on and continue with or with out you.

Seeing as your parents probably did a horrible job raising you, and always gave you whatever you wanted, spoiling you into the terrible monster you are now, let me explain what it means to have humility.

Humility
hu·mil·i·ty
Modest or low view of one's own importance; humbleness.

This means that you don't walk around like your the biggest baddest person to ever play this game, because let me inform you, you're not. You are nothing more than the same as everyone else. If your parents lied to you and told you that you are special, that you deserve more out of life than anyone else, they have set you up for a hard lesson later in life. You are only deserving of what effort you put forth. Work hard, stay humble, and life seems to unlock doors and opportunities for you. Your wildest dreams start to become reality.

I am no better than anyone else here. In fact, most times I believe others do a much better job than myself, and are deserving of praise, and in those cases I praise them as such, and give them what I can to show my appreciation.

Hopefully this sinks in for some of you. I know no one will read this and perform a complete 180 over night, that's just asking for a miracle. I do hope though that maybe you take a hard look at yourself, and realize that you could treat people better, work harder, and make life that much better for yourself and others around you.

What was my point in posting this? You needed to read it. It needed to be said. Next time when you're begging me for a job, explaining why I need you on my staff team, and why no one deserves the job but you, understand why I ignore everything you say. Understand why when I do hire you at that point that it's with such limited rights, because clearly there are ulterior motives to you wanting to be a part of my staff team. To some of you it's a status thing, to others it's the ability to abuse, and for a select few its the access to be able to spawn and destroy parts of this game. Then, for a very small amount of people, its the ability to expand their knowledge and assist in the maintenance of a game that very few people play. Those are the people I want. Those are the people I hire. Those are the people who get full rights without asking over and over, because they are the ones truly deserving of my time, this game, and your game play.

Maybe you'll think before spewing hatred on the message boards, or screaming at players in game. Maybe you won't act out, and understand that you're not the center of the universe. I can always dream, can't I? Lastly, always remember, treat everyone as you wish to be treated.

TL;DR
You deserve what you put forth, and nothing more. Treat others with respect and kindness. Stop spewing hatred and negativity.

Kohola_KinG 02-12-2015 01:18 PM

Should of just tagged me in this.

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You all do realize that you don't need to be a staff member to help this game, or its community, right? I can name plenty of current staff members that before they were staff made countless images, levels, events, and never wanted anything for handing them over for use (myself included). These are the people who truly deserve staff rights, and these are the people I look for and hire.
Me included........... Also created a forum that achieved a lot need i say anymore.

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I do not fear my staff who threaten me with "Well if I don't get my way, I'm leaving!" Fine, leave, you clearly are not mature enough to be a part of my staff team. Same goes for those who threaten to quit the game. You're not hurting my feelings, we will roll on and continue with or with out you.
I did not threaten to quit. I did quit. There is a difference. It was Ice, mesh and name etc who told me to stay as they were going to talk to you but sadly you just never listen. I was a PR, threatening to quit wouldn't achieve nothing. I could be let go without a care in the world. I did quit.

Ice, Mesh, alf and so on all supported me to be GA. I had full support besides you. Which infact when Nick got hired you told me "You were next on the list, dont do anything stupid and your next". Seems like you contradicted yourself.

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Seeing as your parents probably did a horrible job raising you, and always gave you whatever you wanted, spoiling you into the terrible monster you are now, let me explain what it means to have humility.
My parents did a brilliant job raising me. I'm 22 and have achieved quite a lot in my life and i'm still young. I don't get or understand this part. However, i do agree on a lot of people this can be an issue.

The rest, i feel has nothing to do with me as i dont see how i fall into that category.


Let me sum it up.

I'm a 22 year old adult who's been hired on this server many times and got a lot done. I've been trusted so therefore trust is not an issue. I've been a gang player for 11 or 12 years. I have a lot of knowledge about changing gangs.

Gang players have suffered for years as nobody really paid much attention to gangs when it should have always been eras #1 Priority. We all know this now but yet every manager still fails to address it.

I cared for era and never kept on asking you. I asked you once when the application process was going on and then 3-4 weeks after Nick got fired. I mean, 3-4 weeks after and the gang issue is still not resolved. I dunno, is that lack of leadership from yourself or? You can answer that one.

To be honest, i see the guys who care for era and they are the ones online 24/7 which you log on once a week and off you go again. The ones who truly care are being casted to the side and the ones in charge only care for the politics. It's why this game never changes.

I had solid plans, you treat GA as a gift. Nobody wants gifted the GA. They just want the rights to do their job and actually fix the gang system. Your message is nonsense and it's wrong when saying that. I never abused, i wouldn't give a **** about spawning. Why would i spawn?

All i wanted was to change things and to give people a fresh reason to play and participate in gangs again. It just seems though that you aren't interested and only want to hire somebody who you either like or can boss around. I'm not hating on you, I'm just defending myself since you are having a go at me and others.

And again I am not having a go at you, but how'd you even get manager anyways when you don't even or rarely played the server? What have you developed or contributed massively to era that you so deserved the manager position? And YET again not blasting you, but in the past did you not spawn and USD? I dunno man, but the same could be said about you your not an angel yourself.

I would of put everything into the gang admin role and i was one of the biggest raiders on era always getting gangs to raid. Not only have you lost out on somebody willing to work hard to change it but you have also lost out on a highly active player getting gangs to raid.

Era has fallen into a ghost town and gangs is the reason. I'm done ranting for now.

Sorry for those who supported me. Maybe someday i can return when a new manager is in place. Gangs has no future for now. Tim is right, this is the last version of graal under this management. Peace out.

Sinkler 02-12-2015 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by SharkeySprinkles (Post 1734527)
Entitlement
en·ti·tle·ment
noun
-The belief that one is inherently deserving of privileges or special treatment.
"No wonder your kids have a sense of entitlement"

For some reason (probably the way your parents raise you or treat you), a vast majority of you feel entitled. This means that you truly believe that you deserve to have a spot on the staff team.

Most people, like myself, are entitled to quality because we are paying members of the game. Whenever we "complain" and "whine" it is because we are not necessarily getting what we were promised. To disregard suggestions and criticisms as a form of entitlement banter is absurd and counterproductive.

Let's analyze the role of an administrator and even a staff member. Your job is to enhance gameplay to please the players. To say that it is anything other than a public servant position is foolish, and if you believe you are somehow above such a role, I would demand your immediate resignation.

The age old "if you want it done, then you do it" phrase is rather idiotic insofar as you signed up for the position to please the players. If you don't have time to do it, then you should resign and give it to someone who will actually do their job. The comparison is like the President of the United States telling the local Starbucks barrista to go touch base with US generals on Iraq-ISIS strategy if s/he thinks what the administration is doing is wrong

Instead of belittling the player base by asserting their parents did a poor job raising them, perhaps you should consider the possibility that your parents did a poor job instituting responsibility and appropriate work ethic?

Know your place in this machine. You are nothing more than a servant to the player's interests. When there is a divergence of interests like the one that exists today, then it is your obligation to be humble and resign.

Cheers.

DuBsTeRmAn 02-12-2015 01:54 PM

Cookies <3

Kohola_KinG 02-12-2015 03:31 PM

Gabriel is 100% correct.

Elk 02-12-2015 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by SharkeySprinkles (Post 1734527)
Entitlement
This means that you truly believe that you deserve to have a spot on the staff team.

Whats wrong with me thinking like this :confused:

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Originally Posted by Sinkler (Post 1734529)
Know your place in this machine. You are nothing more than a servant to the player's interests. When there is a divergence of interests like the one that exists today, then it is your obligation to be humble and resign.

Harshly said but true, it can be interpreted that a Developers job is to make people happy

The counterproductive and very common ethics most Developers (unfortunately) have are very egocentric/egoistical

Supaman771 02-12-2015 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by dubsterman (Post 1734530)
cookies <3

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Kohola_KinG 02-12-2015 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Supaman771 (Post 1734544)
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This is the guy who told me to act professional.

Good_Ol_Daze 02-12-2015 09:08 PM

Is this forum some kind of competition to see who can be the most self-indulgent person in the world.

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Also created a forum that achieved a lot need i say anymore.
Your forum was terrible and it'll never be the Era forums people actually remember/cared about.

Kohola_KinG 02-12-2015 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Good_Ol_Daze (Post 1734552)
Is this forum some kind of competition to see who can be the most self-indulgent person in the world.



Your forum was terrible and it'll never be the Era forums people actually remember/cared about.

You're a hypocrite by your first statement.

Second statement. over 300 registered users and 8k forum messages on it, which a lot of development came from it. It was a success. Who cares about it being remember and cared about? The hell, i dont even give a **** about it.

Man up bro.

MysticalDragon 02-13-2015 12:32 AM

I should close this thread but i'll let it play out. Our job is to amuse the players as a developer, say what??? You never developed before gabriel, so i have a slight feeling your misleading. Most developers like my self do what we do because we enjoy developing. We're not here to please anyone, if the players hate the content thats fine, if they love the content thats great. Most major mmorpg games the developers hardly socialise with the players? What era are you living in? On era, the staff give the players the choice... Yes the CHOICE to be heard, it's a privilege nothing more.

All do respect but I seen this comming at Koho. In almost every thread i seen you hint that, "i know gangs make me gangs Admin" or "if we had a gangs admin". Lets get out of this fictionious state real quick. If you had the rights and the position what could you really change that the
Previous gang admins couldn't? Nothing at all, you can have all these ideas, plans and even diagrams ready.... But its all words with no actions. You can't even script to even fathom to start the type of project you seek. I'm not try to be harsh just realistic.

In the real world we don't cry about not getting promoted, we work that much harder to show our worth.

Godzilla 02-13-2015 12:53 AM

Not sure why my posts keep getting deleted but that's cute that we're not allowed to voice our opinions anymore.

MysticalDragon 02-13-2015 01:00 AM

Everyone of your posts your crying instead of giving real constructive feed back, It's tiring. You would not make a good gang admin, just like I think many people claiming they would do this fantastic job, will also not do very good. In my own opinion, if gangs are to be fixed you need a well drivin developer thats great in all areas of development. Someone that can take action, instead of just words.

Godzilla 02-13-2015 03:16 AM

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Originally Posted by MysticalDragon (Post 1734566)
Everyone of your posts your crying instead of giving real constructive feed back, It's tiring. You would not make a good gang admin, just like I think many people claiming they would do this fantastic job, will also not do very good. In my own opinion, if gangs are to be fixed you need a well drivin developer thats great in all areas of development. Someone that can take action, instead of just words.

Good ****ing luck, short ended; no one cares about this corrupt pathetic team.

It's the same bunch of kids with a new leader, the problem isn't only the person in charge of the useless, abusive and arrogant kids but the team as a whole.

The server has become so minuscule that to please the last existing players you wouldn't need to even develop, you could easily maintain and simply change small things here and there that would keep an incentive alive.

Unfortunately, for you, you've been thrown into a position that is absolutely useless at this stage in time because of the decreasing player-count of ALL servers.

I think EVERYONE, players and staff are sick to death of each others mentality and in the end that isn't going to help ANYONE.

BUT... Who is right? The consumer because the useless kids we have running this once great, now pathetic server have done nothing but dug the hole even further for the remaining players that eventually will get a chance at fixing the problem, the issue, the repeated problems that each management, team and player has caused, adding fuel to the fire.

Let's be clear; I don't think anyone really gives a **** anymore man, we've put up with this pathetic **** for how many years? We've given up, no one cares for your opinion just like no one cares about mine, we're all so driven into a close minded mentality because of the attitude of the community driven by the abusive, power-hungry kids we let run this place.

Supaman771 02-13-2015 03:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Godzilla (Post 1734571)
fixing the problem, the issue, the repeated problems

Like what? :oo:


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