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WaDaFack 02-18-2009 02:31 AM

Just close Graal.
 
Just close Graal, its going on a HUGE downfall. There isn't anything you can do about anymore.

WHOs fault is this?
The globals and Stefan FAILED to cooperate, and did not listen to anyones opinion. Bell the Player World Administrator had a GREAT idea of downsizing Graal so it would be more like 5 servers, unstead of a million. But nope, globals thought they can handle things on there own, guess not.

WHAT is causing this?
Stefan, and unixmad. Stefan for not being loyal enough to Graal, and unixmad for everything being overpriced. I got a bajillion PMs from my friends on Zone, and Graal Kingdoms saying that they WASTED money on garbage when they could have been paying for other games, for cheaper and offer more. I mean, it cost 40$, 40 freaking dollars for Zone, or GK. Everyday you log on, your just doing the same thing you did yesterday, pulling out a gun and shooting everyone. There is NO variety what so ever, Graal is just getting dull and boring.

WHERE is this happening?
No were else, but Graal.

WHEN is this happening?
Right now, Graal is just going on a huge downfall. There is nothing you can do about it, but just wait. Just watch, soon the message will appear on the forums when Stefan announces Graal shutdown.

WHY
is this happening?
No one cares. For example, I sent in my ticket a month ago and still hasn't been replied. If you guys did care, you would actually take the money we gave you to advertise, to hire professional developers and to improve on your firewall. Right now, as I see it, you just don't give a crap and just letting Graal die, so you have an excuse to just walk away with our money.


HOW
is this happening?
The population is decreasing, and is not going up at all. I don't think anymore P2Ps are being bought, nor is gold. The only people who are probaly buying are the people who bought before, because they are what we call ADDICTS and never played any other game BUT Graal. The ADDICTS are the ones keeping Graal alive, at the moment.

*Note, this post has nothing to do with anti-graal,anti-unixmad or a threat to hack Graal Online,cyberjouers in anyway.*




What do you think?

Elizabeth 02-18-2009 02:34 AM

'just close graal now. we might as well add on to the downfall.'

maybe if they hired people that cared, you'd get a response faster.


but anyways, i don't know what you guys are talking about, because i've never gotten a response that took over 4 days.

CharlieM 02-18-2009 02:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WaDaFack (Post 1467413)



What do you think?

That you should give up. Graal isn't going on a downfall. Its average.

WaDaFack 02-18-2009 02:39 AM

Have you not noticed the drop in the playercount?
Take UN for example, in the summer of 2005 it had about 200+players, the summer of 2006 it had 190-200players, after 2007 it had 150-180players, now in 2008-2009 it has 100players in the summer.
You'll probaly say "Oh people, got bored of Graal and just quit" well, thats the globals duty, to make Graal entertaining and not dull, and boring.

Elizabeth 02-18-2009 02:41 AM

'playercount is dropping so lets just give up'.

Pimmeh 02-18-2009 02:44 AM

So, why are you still here?!
Get out, we dont need you...

Elizabeth 02-18-2009 02:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pimmeh (Post 1467422)
So, why are you still here?!
Get out, we dont need you...

you're just the players, it's not like you support graal or anything! we don't need you!

CharlieM 02-18-2009 03:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WaDaFack (Post 1467419)
Have you not noticed the drop in the playercount?
Take UN for example, in the summer of 2005 it had about 200+players, the summer of 2006 it had 190-200players, after 2007 it had 150-180players, now in 2008-2009 it has 100players in the summer.
You'll probaly say "Oh people, got bored of Graal and just quit" well, thats the globals duty, to make Graal entertaining and not dull, and boring.

No I am not going to say that..What happend to UN was Zodiac. When Zodiac players realized what they could do on there own server/other server players. They set out to make there own servers/play other servers. The playercount hasn't changed it has just spread out

Tigairius 02-18-2009 03:17 AM

I was trying to decide whether or not I had the energy to respond to this thread. I think I will.

Quote:

Originally Posted by WaDaFack (Post 1467413)
Just close Graal, its going on a HUGE downfall. There isn't anything you can do about anymore.

People who don't think they can change anything usually don't. Remember that.
Quote:

Originally Posted by WaDaFack (Post 1467413)
WHOs fault is this?
The globals and Stefan FAILED to cooperate, and did not listen to anyones opinion. Bell the Player World Administrator had a GREAT idea of downsizing Graal so it would be more like 5 servers, unstead of a million. But nope, globals thought they can handle things on there own, guess not.

"The globals and Stefan?" We are constantly listening to your opinions. What gives you any right to tell us how to do our jobs? What gives you any right to tell Stefan and unixmad how to run their game? You are a customer. You are a player. They are business owners. They can run their business however they want to.
You don't have any idea what you're talking about. "Globals thought they can handle things on their own," when we haven't even had a "sit down" discussion about that plan yet. Please, before you go on and start denouncing all globals maybe you should consider that these decisions take time, and making big decisions like this requires a "go ahead" from everyone. It's not something that can be done over night.
Quote:

Originally Posted by WaDaFack (Post 1467413)
WHAT is causing this?
Stefan, and unixmad. Stefan for not being loyal enough to Graal, and unixmad for everything being overpriced. I got a bajillion PMs from my friends on Zone, and Graal Kingdoms saying that they WASTED money on garbage when they could have been paying for other games, for cheaper and offer more. I mean, it cost 40$, 40 freaking dollars for Zone, or GK. Everyday you log on, your just doing the same thing you did yesterday, pulling out a gun and shooting everyone. There is NO variety what so ever, Graal is just getting dull and boring.

$40 is not a lot of money. Stefan and unixmad are still doing things for Graal, but like any business, they are concentrating on what is generating the most money right now: iPhone. Do you honestly blame them? So what? So they're trying to make money? Maybe if they make a lot of good money from iPhone they can bring that positive energy back to Graal and bring it up. So, let's NOT give up and continue playing Graal, like we all know you're going to do anyways.

Quote:

Originally Posted by WaDaFack (Post 1467413)
WHERE is this happening?
No were else, but Graal.

Cite this please. For some reason I don't think Graal can be the only potentially failing business in the world right now.
Quote:

Originally Posted by WaDaFack (Post 1467413)
WHEN is this happening?
Right now, Graal is just going on a huge downfall. There is nothing you can do about it, but just wait. Just watch, soon the message will appear on the forums when Stefan announces Graal shutdown.

You can watch all you want, but while you're watching, I'm going to actually be taking initiative and trying to improve the current situation.
Quote:

Originally Posted by WaDaFack (Post 1467413)
WHY is this happening?
No one cares. For example, I sent in my ticket a month ago and still hasn't been replied. If you guys did care, you would actually take the money we gave you to advertise, to hire professional developers and to improve on your firewall. Right now, as I see it, you just don't give a crap and just letting Graal die, so you have an excuse to just walk away with our money.

We care. Submit a ticket to the playerworld section. I guarantee you that you will receive a response within 2 days. Most likely within 24 hours. I usually respond to tickets within 3 hours or so after they're submitted.

Just because one section of the support center isn't very active doesn't mean we're all just sitting around on our hands.

Quote:

Originally Posted by WaDaFack (Post 1467413)

HOW
is this happening?
The population is decreasing, and is not going up at all. I don't think anymore P2Ps are being bought, nor is gold. The only people who are probaly buying are the people who bought before, because they are what we call ADDICTS and never played any other game BUT Graal. The ADDICTS are the ones keeping Graal alive, at the moment.

Again, I'm going to have to ask you to cite this information. To me, this sounds like some more opinionated nonsense. As far as I know, unixmad and Stefan don't disclose any of their financial information about Graal.


Quote:

Originally Posted by WaDaFack (Post 1467419)
Have you not noticed the drop in the playercount?

Ever heard of school?

Quote:

Originally Posted by WaDaFack (Post 1467419)
You'll probaly say "Oh people, got bored of Graal and just quit" well, thats the globals duty, to make Graal entertaining and not dull, and boring.

It is not our duty to "make Graal entertaining."

All of this, on top of the fact that several years ago when UN had 180+ players, there was no Zodiac. Now if you do the math, which just division, you can see that the playercount has been cut in half from UN and has gone to Zodiac.

Thanks.

salesman 02-18-2009 03:37 AM

There's a lot of factors contributing to the low playercount, but you cannot pin it solely on school and Zodiac...that's just denial, and will get us nowhere.

gravator 02-18-2009 03:44 AM

I would also like to see a downsize of graal servers, there are many playerworlds that are under construction because nearly everyone wanted to make their own server, and that isn't good because it causes people that do the work to get spread out too much and very little actual work gets taken care of.



There are some servers that were started maybe once or twice but didn't really work out, but STILL people cling to them and try their own "revival project" and should just let those servers go already.


And the tileset or item rights deal going on, why are certain works and tilesets not allowed to be used in another server, i've seen some very good tiles on multiple servers and thought they would go pretty good together in one massive new age server, just an example would be classic, you have all those wonderful and fun quests from before the reset, just give them a makeover! New look, new scripting, but the same stuff the older playerbase loved when they first started.


But no, people are so darn set on keeping "their" tileset and if even ONE sprite looks like theirs and it's on another server........holy cow does all kinds of crap hit the fan and it turns into a big mess on who owns what and where, I could be mistaken but shouldn't all graphics, music, scripts and all that belong to Cyberjoueurs? I would think that allowed people to use any tileset or graphic they needed for their server without someone complaining about it.

Tigairius 02-18-2009 03:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by salesman (Post 1467434)
There's a lot of factors contributing to the low playercount, but you cannot pin it solely on school and Zodiac...that's just denial, and will get us nowhere.

Right now there are 102 players on Era, 82 on Zodiac and 72 on Unholy Nation. That's fantastic. Just last weekend there were over 100 people on Era, 100+ people on Zodiac and about 80 people on UN.

How can you honestly call that "denial?"

zephirot 02-18-2009 04:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CharlieM (Post 1467415)
That you should give up. Graal isn't going on a downfall. Its average.

wat

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tigairius (Post 1467436)
Right now there are 102 players on Era, 82 on Zodiac and 72 on Unholy Nation. That's fantastic. Just last weekend there were over 100 people on Era, 100+ people on Zodiac and about 80 people on UN.

How can you honestly call that "denial?"

You obviously were not here when UN itself had approx 190-240 players on during the week.

Tigairius 02-18-2009 04:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zephirot (Post 1467443)
You obviously were not here when UN itself had approx 190-240 players on during the week.

I've been here pretty much the whole time. I NEVER remember 240 players on UN. Sometimes 220 or so. 220/2 (2 since 1 is UN and 1 is Zodiac, 1+1 = 2) = 110 + all of the other private servers that have gone up since then = What??? Same playercount, different servers.

Rufus 02-18-2009 04:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tigairius (Post 1467436)
Right now there are 102 players on Era, 82 on Zodiac and 72 on Unholy Nation. That's fantastic. Just last weekend there were over 100 people on Era, 100+ people on Zodiac and about 80 people on UN.

Is this sarcasm? I really hope it is, but I can't tell.


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