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fowlplay4 03-03-2010 03:03 AM

openURL (on v6) opens without prompt, that's probably more of a security concern than performClick.

cbk1994 03-03-2010 03:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fowlplay4 (Post 1560298)
openURL (on v6) opens without prompt, that's probably more of a security concern than performClick.

I've noticed this on Mac as well.

WhiteDragon 03-03-2010 03:45 AM

1 Attachment(s)
Something else I've noticed is that particles blur and have issues with small green artifacts showing around the edges in v6.
Attachment 50498

There is no zoom, spin, or anything else that should make these blur. They work fine (solid edge) in v5.

Deas_Voice 03-03-2010 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cbk1994 (Post 1560299)
I've noticed this on Mac as well.

same here but on linux.

so, all OS does this~

Switch 03-15-2010 12:25 AM

According to Stephen on Windows 7, images (text) won't bold correctly in v6.
PHP Code:

with (findImg(200)) {
  
text "Pie";
  
style "b";
  
zoom 0.65;
}
//IS THE SAME AS
with (findImg(200)) {
  
text "Pie";
  
zoom 0.65;



WhiteDragon 03-15-2010 02:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Switch (Post 1562593)
According to Stephen on Windows 7, images (text) won't bold correctly in v6.
PHP Code:

with (findImg(200)) {
  
text "Pie";
  
style "b";
  
zoom 0.65;
}
//IS THE SAME AS
with (findImg(200)) {
  
text "Pie";
  
zoom 0.65;



This is also the case on XP

fowlplay4 03-15-2010 02:33 AM

While on topic with the text can it be drawn as the same font size (or at least the option added) as the V5 Client? A lot of the text drawn using findimgs, and guitextctrl's are off and clipped on Zodiac because of this.

cbk1994 03-15-2010 03:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fowlplay4 (Post 1562622)
While on topic with the text can it be drawn as the same font size (or at least the option added) as the V5 Client? A lot of the text drawn using findimgs, and guitextctrl's are off and clipped on Zodiac because of this.

I agree, it would be a good idea to at least shrink the size a bit to emulate the old fonts.

TSAdmin 03-15-2010 03:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fowlplay4 (Post 1562622)
While on topic with the text can it be drawn as the same font size (or at least the option added) as the V5 Client? A lot of the text drawn using findimgs, and guitextctrl's are off and clipped on Zodiac because of this.

I was talking to Skyld about this once a while ago.

Quote:

(10:57 PM) TSAdmin: http://i49.tinypic.com/2v9ufrq.png
Its like it's too big for the GUI's but in V5 they';re fine same with most other font related things everywhere
(10:57 PM) Skyld: Right just so you know. That's how those GUIs have looked on Mac and Linux ever since Graal v3. The font rendering on Windows has been changed to use the same rendering as Mac and Linux and iPhone so that GUIs are design once use everywhere. I don't think there's an option yet for changing font, but the client will happily use other fonts for showtext and stuff
(10:59 PM) TSAdmin: hm, so weird.
(10:59 PM) Skyld: To be honest I always thought the old font rendering on Windows client was terrible
I like the Mac/Linux font rendering
(11:00 PM) TSAdmin: Even though it was cut off? I'd hate that rofl
(11:00 PM) Skyld: Well it's not cut off if people design their UIs properly

Stephen 03-15-2010 03:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TSAdmin (Post 1562642)
I was talking to Skyld about this once a while ago.

Sounds more realistic to create a emulation mode for old font than to have hugely self-righteous expectations. :frown:

Crono 03-15-2010 10:31 AM

yay multi-platform focus so windows users get downgraded ftw!! also ill have to make a video of that "choppy" animation i was talking about because it's hard to explain yet would be very easy to show. just need to get fraps perfect~

Umat 03-15-2010 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crono (Post 1562692)
downgraded

That's not true. Stop whining.

Crono 03-15-2010 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Umat (Post 1562696)
That's not true.

How?

Admins 03-15-2010 01:57 PM

We will improve the font rendering because some fonts are appearing too "light". For GUI you should never rely on exact font sizes though, make right-aligned text right-aligned instead of relying on the exact font width.

Rufus 03-15-2010 02:10 PM

Would like the nicknames to be bold again, and this might be a related problem because even when I log onto servers with a custom nickname system they aren't using bold anymore.

Umat 03-15-2010 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crono (Post 1562697)
How?

Just because it isn't acting all the same as before doesn't mean it is a downgrade. As far as I know, Stefan isn't finished with v6 yet, so he'll probably make it look more like before, before he releases it.

Crono 03-15-2010 04:15 PM

I tried frapsing the bug which went fine and all but everytime I try to encode the gigantic AVI file the quality is horrible. Any suggestions or do people use Graal's inbuilt?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Umat (Post 1562720)
Just because it isn't acting all the same as before doesn't mean it is a downgrade. As far as I know, Stefan isn't finished with v6 yet, so he'll probably make it look more like before, before he releases it.

Was referring to the state it's in. All the fonts look much worse, all I'm saying.

fowlplay4 03-15-2010 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crono (Post 1562732)
I tried frapsing the bug which went fine and all but everytime I try to encode the gigantic AVI file the quality is horrible. Any suggestions or do people use Graal's inbuilt?

Try CamStudio

cbk1994 03-15-2010 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fowlplay4 (Post 1562737)
Try CamStudio

This. Use QuickTime or a similar application to convert it to H.264 if it's too large.

Crono 03-15-2010 10:13 PM

Well I wanted to convert the fraps video to h.264 if possible...the quality with fraps is great but I just don't know how to convert it to something high quality so I can upload it to youtube!

DustyPorViva 03-15-2010 10:15 PM

I just record with Graal and then use Windows Movie Maker to convert it. Though this depends a lot on what exactly you're doing(recording full screen or partial? Is the graal window filling your whole screen? Yada yada).

Admins 03-16-2010 12:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WhiteDragon (Post 1560303)
Something else I've noticed is that particles blur and have issues with small green artifacts showing around the edges in v6.
Attachment 50498

There is no zoom, spin, or anything else that should make these blur. They work fine (solid edge) in v5.

Hmmm modified it in my version so it should be fine with the next update.

WhiteDragon 03-16-2010 12:57 AM

Cool. Please check out the issue with .05 timeouts slowing down to .1 timeouts for no reason and making everything go slow -- that's easily the most important bug.

salesman 03-19-2010 11:31 PM

Is there a list of new features for v6 anywhere? I searched and couldn't find anything.

Would also be nice if someone (GDT maybe???) compiled a list of frequent suggestions and problems so that nothing important is missed. I don't want to have to wait another couple of years for simple but useful stuff like shoot2() because it was lost in the pages and pages of suggestions.

cbk1994 03-19-2010 11:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by salesman (Post 1563603)
Is there a list of new features for v6 anywhere? I searched and couldn't find anything.

I wrote this article on the Bible, but I don't know how complete it is.

Crono 03-24-2010 12:51 AM

Alright wow, found an awesome program that will h264 it without any problems w/ full quality. Went from 200mb to 9mb. Noice.

Here's the differences. Notice how v5 is smoother and the character does not have any jittering/other problems. But on v6 its a bit choppy and the characters jitter for some reason. Full screen both to see it clearly. It becomes most obvious when you're moving with a frame of a gani. In this case I used sit (hold shift+v while walking on UN).

v5:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fERwSyyPK8&hd=1

v6:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Td3j2mE2D4&hd=1

Stephen 03-24-2010 01:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crono (Post 1564435)
Alright wow, found an awesome program that will h264 it without any problems w/ full quality. Went from 200mb to 9mb. Noice.

Here's the differences. Notice how v5 is smoother and the character does not have any jittering/other problems. But on v6 its a bit choppy and the characters jitter for some reason. Full screen both to see it clearly. It becomes most obvious when you're moving with a frame of a gani. In this case I used sit (hold shift+v while walking on UN).

v5:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fERwSyyPK8&hd=1

v6:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Td3j2mE2D4&hd=1

I'm not sure if it's the whole client, the whole player gani, or just the head sprite - but there is definitely some timing issues there. What program @ videos?

Crono 03-24-2010 01:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 1564442)
I'm not sure if it's the whole client, the whole player gani, or just the head sprite - but there is definitely some timing issues there. What program @ videos?

Something called "SUPER". Should be the first google result if you search "download SUPER". It happens on other servers too and other ganis.

alskdjfhg 03-24-2010 06:38 AM

Someone send me the client setup I wanna try out V6...

Crono 03-24-2010 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crono (Post 1564435)
Alright wow, found an awesome program that will h264 it without any problems w/ full quality. Went from 200mb to 9mb. Noice.

Here's the differences. Notice how v5 is smoother and the character does not have any jittering/other problems. But on v6 its a bit choppy and the characters jitter for some reason. Full screen both to see it clearly. It becomes most obvious when you're moving with a frame of a gani. In this case I used sit (hold shift+v while walking on UN).

v5:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fERwSyyPK8&hd=1

v6:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Td3j2mE2D4&hd=1

Tested on Valikorlia for fun and it happens there too. Gonna do Zone/GK and keep going until it's fixed I guess. Gives me an excuse to log onto servers I never touch anymore. Full screen both, etc etc.

v5:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDSEWzuDi6A&hd=1

v6:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjM1fhA7ofE&hd=1

cbk1994 03-24-2010 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crono (Post 1564572)
Tested on Valikorlia for fun and it happens there too. Gonna do Zone/GK and keep going until it's fixed I guess. Gives me an excuse to log onto servers I never touch anymore. Full screen both, etc etc.

v5:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDSEWzuDi6A&hd=1

v6:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjM1fhA7ofE&hd=1

Does Valikorlia have a scripted movement system? I haven't noticed this on Era so I'm guessing it's a problem with default movement.

Rufus 03-24-2010 10:06 PM

I haven't logged on Era, but it happens on Classic and that is using a scripted movement system.

WhiteDragon 03-25-2010 01:39 AM

I'd like to confirm that I've also seen similar stuff happen with the different sprites in the gani being moved separately (and jittering).

Perhaps this has something to do with the crazy floating point issues v6 has where it introduces arbitrary decimals out of nowhere?

Crono 03-25-2010 01:47 AM

no vimes, it happens on era as well.

v5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HY4nUxLsdIg&hd=1

v6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=om2-GQNl7w8&hd=1

full screen etc etc

Crono 03-26-2010 04:11 AM

happening on GK:

v5:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jcw6V0R2iHE&hd=1

v6:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4HYVQGtuR4&hd=1

fullscreen both etc etc

Crono 04-04-2010 06:13 PM

did i scare stefan away :(?

Dnegel 04-05-2010 02:50 PM

He's prob gonna kill you for this.

salesman 04-20-2010 07:57 PM

Is there anyway to participate in the beta still? I pmed Skyld ~week ago, and received no response. I'm actively developing on a server, so it'd be nice to be able to test out the new version.

alskdjfhg 04-21-2010 01:00 AM

V6 should be open beta by now... : ]

fowlplay4 04-21-2010 01:27 AM

There's still two very big flaws with V6, that I feel need to be dealt with before an open beta:

- Timeouts/Schedule Events that loop every 0.05 slowing down to 0.01~ over time
- The 2pt (estimating) increase in font size, if this isn't changed to match the Windows V5 client, then quite a few GUIs will need to be redone to look proper.


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