I completely agree.

While it is true that some irresponsible managers give out too many rights and suffer for it, the remainder of us responsible managers should not suffer for their mistakes. I fail to see the logic present here, no matter how much canned tripe Moon God spouts about Graal being professional and a business (I fail to see how that relates to this).

New idea: The PWA has become lazy and does not wish to handle such problems when they arise, instead placing morbidly tight restrictions on such things as rights.

Exactly, the managers who do know how to run their server should not suffer for the mistakes of the renters. This was the point that me and Brandon had tried to get across before.

I am glad that other managers who know how to manage their server are speaking up about this. It's nice that the PWA is trying to help managers with a guideline, but I really doubt it will help them because it will result in their time being wasted, and I am sure they can do better things with their time rather than manage the rights of hundreds of local playerworld staff.

Indeed. I wholeheartedly agree.

Here's an idea: Those rules regarding rights should only apply to hosted/private playerworlds, and not those that are out in public.

Addendum: My points were ignored there, and they probably will be ignored here as well. Sigh.

I am glad, as well. I am saddened by the amount who have just gone along with it, and moreso saddened by the others who disagree but have done so inappropriately.

Agreed. I never thought I'd see the day when rules would be put into place regarding rights. It's always been a situation of advisement, never an imperative, and it should have stayed that way.

So...what have we learned after 11 pages of this thread? :megaeek:

I say that there should be no rules about how servers are managed, and how rights should be done, and if managers and renters cant set up their own rules, then its all their fault.

As soon as you buy Graal you do that...

Last I knew, Zone had a renter and manager (renter=Angel, manager=Dell) So I guess omehow it went from a normal private UC PW, to a normal public PW, now to a 'stefan server'?
o.o
heck, I'd give Stefan EoA if I knew we'd get some benifits
;)
But I guess Stefan only plays servers of people he knows or something... because he's never once been on EoA... Unix went on EoA before... he said he liked it, but he never left the fist level I warped him to
-_-
I just wonder how they can judge which servers are the better ones, when they have not played them all...

Oh so you're saying that only PWs on Classic tab have a responsible Manager?

BUT we never knew for a very long time both Stefan and Unixmad had been on Npulse nor did anyone see Stefan ride the log flume but he said he did, just goes to show you never really know if they have or not. They may have.;)

I hope Lance isn't saying that because I know some really good Managers and Staff on PWs other than Classic. I really don't think he is saying that though..

there's almost always someone on EoA, and I'm sure we would have noticed a random account logging on, and walking around the overworld
;)
but I'm going to stop complaining now, and get back to work on levels
:P
our PW time runs out in 3 months, so we need to get everything ready to go public by then
:D

Of course not. However, if they're going to have silly restrictive rules, at least they should recognize the need for more rule-enforcing staff (those with ban rights) on public servers as opposed to private servers.

I still firmly believe that it should be up to the individual manager to make such decisions regarding rights.

Because some servers are more fun than others?
Stefan likes Zone and had a lot of fun playing it, and probably he also likes working on it.

Read lances quote, not only does it apply to rule making, but also public server relseing, Ive gotten a responce from most of the PWA who we would like to look at our server. Spark has came once for about 10 or 15 minutes a few months ago, but VT came awhile ago for an hour.

If people cant get reviews, how are we ment to move to the classic tab?

Edit:

I understand sometimes people have something to do, but if anyone wants to stand being their buisness idea, then in order to get more money you must first please the customers who are spending their money.

Edit2:

Upon discussion with another person about said topics, he derrived at a conclusion

I would like to say i have seen lots of activity from the PWA, but i really havent

Edit3:

I also got to thinking about Enigma, how did it seem they managed to slip though all the problems we are having only to go public? I would just like an explination to this because it seems pretty funny to me.

I have said that we are going to do reviews in ealy febuary, the reason for this is to give me some time to complete some things (which seems aren't being done now anyway). But also because people have alot of things to improve and add on, we needed to give time to development. Its only been 1 month.

You ignored his comment about Enigma.

What activity are you looking to see? Most of what we do you won't see and some of what we do if you do see us then it defeats the purpose of what we are doing. We are not always on accounts you know for it depends on the reasons we are there. I collect logs from all the servers, If I do lets say 30 to 35 on a given night, you may not even see me on RC (has happened quite a few times, check your RC log to see when I was there last) because I do what I have to do and move on, it takes time for me to do that as well as the 10 other things I may be doing at that moment.

Lately I have to turn off Aim when I do this because if I don't I can't get it done because of the IMs. This month alone 4 PWs have been deleted and we have to check into each one of them to deal with the responsible party. You don't see this and why should you? Unless you happen to be Staff on a PW that was deleted you won't know will you? 3 of the PWs deleted I have been directly involved in resolving the problem. Just because you don't see what I am or the rest of the PWA are doing doesn't mean we are simply idle. I happen to be very active on the PWA, ask Spark or the PWs that have seen me.

What server are you referring to be reviewed? I keep a list of those who have asked me to take a look. If I were you I would opt for the 3rd tab first before Classic tab because we are going to be tough on anyone wanting to go to Classic and also space on the Classic tab is limited so if it's full you can't be put there anyway.

Somehow this is another example of the Few Screwing over the many, so some peoples servers got deleted. If that takes all your time and energy, then thats taking away from the other impaitent and waiting customers who have followed the rules and who are eagerly waiting their playerworld for a Classic Status, ill address the Third tab again, as i have many times, in a moment.

You anger me with some comment like this that is so irrelevant i dont know even where to begin. The third tab is just a visual Underconstruction server, think of it like a GUI for your Playerworld name. I get the same results from coming on the forums and saying "Check out [generic playerworld]" as i do from my server being on the GUI (Third Tab). Only Gold/VIP Can Access it, where is the diffrence? Why Try to become hosted when you get no other benifits?

Yet you, just as spark, have evaded the issue of Enigma, they were moved public, and it dosent seem the PWA was too "critical" of them.

Im glad that now you decide to tell us there is limited space, since when did this limited space exist? The rush for new playerworlds was amazingly high, yet now it seems we may see very few if any aspiring new playerworlds on the Classic tab.
So why waste it with servers like ENIGMA I BEG of someone to address this issue.

If such things like this continue to arise i hope that others like me will consider not paying again for all these usless services.

Space has always been limited, there is a set number that can be there that I know of, if I am wrong then Spark can correct me in his post. As far as Enigma what is your major problem with it? Just because you don't like it, you think it should be denied? You will be judged on the same set of Standards they were so if you feel you are so much better than they are I guess that makes you a shoo in huh? I hope your right; I would love to see better and better servers get on the Classic tab. You still have yet told me which server are you affiliated with?

Well he cant go through tomorrow as we arent inspecting right now. I would guess Enigma got through as they applied when we were looking?

I await to hear from spark eventually.

The fact that these PWA standards you claim exist did not seem to hold up to a server that has had more then enough chances in the past. I have no other problem with enigma, and i dont understand how you intrepreted that.

Where did i say that? Again, i dont know what you are reading, but its not my posts.

Clearly, but i dont think the standards will be the same, seems like the process displays a form of erratic behavior


Me too, but its your job to help make it happen, not mine.

Because i am not really affiliated with any server, i may have been at one point but that is not much of a concern anymore. The arugument is in towards of what has, and what is, happening arround graal. Not just for myself.

Maybe by the prejudice you just expressed here on Enigma Graal? It is not the same server as WarCaptain had so that server does not even enter the picture here. You were too quick to think it was when it is not at all. Just because it has the same name doesn't make it the Enigma of the past. Servers are not allowed to make exact duplicates of dead PlayerWorlds and revive them. Might want to brush up of the PW rules.

I am very aware of the playerworld rules, both needed and usless rules. I didnt express a "Predjuice", i expressed an opinion. The only playerworld that seems to have passed is Enigma, and it didnt seem to take them long.

Not only did Warcaptain have it, but so did Guile and KrazyYang. Past problems of the server still exist, however in a slightly lower quantity as there were before.

Mabye i could suggest you open your eyes? Your assumptions are just as bad as you claim mine are.
Mabye you too should also be less quick to assume things, and stop delveving into them for hidden meanings which do not exist.

Too many misused terms.

Seems to be a lot of misused terms on Graal which ones are you refering to?

Hmm am glad this topic popped up many people belive i abuse power so the rumours has been spread by certain people but just to get it clear i never abused it beside d/c another staff member for being annoying and not doing anything at all on rc. I had level 4 rc on many servers. The End :p

Any me and Ray (the Owner) are getting NC on Gileada... I am very protective of my scripts :mad: