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Milkdude99 01-30-2003 01:16 AM

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Originally posted by Birdbird_0

Now on the MoonGod and MoonGodess part, both of you are good people, but you're both leaning on the word Arrogant for the better part of this thread. I don’t see a need for half of the remarks both of you've said, let alone how valid they are.

If you're going to debate a topic debate it on reason on eye level, don’t sit on top of a cliff and yell to the people below.

I've always wanted to ask a question of you two. Why the portrayal of Gods? I personally find it showing the true vanity of you two.

Could you do me a small favor Birdbird and point out where I am being arrogant? I really don't see where I have so I would just like to see where you think I am by what I posted. As for the name, my first nick on Classic was HÊLL§ ßŧtÅrÐ {Leader}(Dark_Legions) this was before I really took the time to read the rules, something I think a lot of us do when we first start. I took the name Moon God because Moon Goddess already had the name Moon Goddess and it seemed to be the most logical thing I saw to do since she is my wife. Plus I wanted to have a nick that related to hers. So why do you seem to find this offensive? I also have a fondness for Greek mythology, I find this nick much more preferable that my original one.

JrTerrorist 01-30-2003 01:52 AM

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here's that server kai..

o.O

JrTerrorist 01-30-2003 01:53 AM

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and another...

JrTerrorist 01-30-2003 01:54 AM

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final pic..

Legondary_MyTH 01-30-2003 02:00 AM

nice...
 
its awsome...just it isnt graal....it would be cool to make a whole different game with it...just not for graal....but props on the tiles

Soul-Blade 01-30-2003 02:07 AM

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Originally posted by Milkdude99
Could you do me a small favor Birdbird and point out where I am being arrogant? I really don't see where I have so I would just like to see where you think I am by what I posted. As for the name, my first nick on Classic was HÊLL§ ßŧtÅrÐ {Leader}(Dark_Legions) this was before I really took the time to read the rules, something I think a lot of us do when we first start. I took the name Moon God because Moon Goddess already had the name Moon Goddess and it seemed to be the most logical thing I saw to do since she is my wife. Plus I wanted to have a nick that related to hers. So why do you seem to find this offensive? I also have a fondness for Greek mythology, I find this nick much more preferable that my original one.
Ah I remember that...those were the good times. You had that name after Viktor left DL, but you did have it for a while I think. I dunno, I left after Viktor left to work on the first version of Murasamune...

Soul-Blade 01-30-2003 02:13 AM

That 3d thing is currently IMPOSSIBLE. Whoever that guy is took it from somewhere else, or use the new graal3d engine. Using script, hover, is not possible, as 1) showpoly does not support laying texture on it, 2) if used showimg, you would get a bluescreen near instantly...

No one believe him, because that is not possible with the current public graal engine.

Milkdude99 01-30-2003 03:50 AM

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Originally posted by Soul-Blade


Ah I remember that...those were the good times. You had that name after Viktor left DL, but you did have it for a while I think. I dunno, I left after Viktor left to work on the first version of Murasamune...

*sigh* yes they were Soul and you were the best Co Leader DL had. It broke my heart to see you leave but then again it was for a good cause.;) Murasamune

Jeff 01-30-2003 05:07 AM

Yeah, that image reeks of paintshop, either pre- or post-production.

Show me an NW file and I might think otherwise.

Kaimetsu 01-30-2003 06:30 AM

Yeah, I think everybody can see that it's fake. Odds are it's just a scene rendered in some 3D modelling package with a Graalian pasted on top.

JrTerrorist 01-30-2003 07:14 AM

I never said it was mine.. o.O

Kaimetsu 01-30-2003 07:29 AM

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Originally posted by JrTerrorist
I never said it was mine.. o.O
I never said you did. But who did give them to you?

JrTerrorist 01-30-2003 07:53 AM

umm, Im not sure.. someone sent me them and said rapture could script like that O_O

Kaimetsu 01-30-2003 08:07 AM

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Originally posted by JrTerrorist
umm, Im not sure.. someone sent me them and said rapture could script like that O_O
Ah, yes, I thought it was connected with that place. Genesis was telling me about the same thing.

JrTerrorist 01-30-2003 08:21 AM

Genesis is a server prostitute.. I mean groupie..

Genesis 01-30-2003 03:17 PM

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Originally posted by JrTerrorist
Genesis is a server prostitute.. I mean groupie..
you need to be banned for saying this stuff in every thread u have wrote something bad about me whats ur problem?


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Originally posted by Kaimetsu


Ah, yes, I thought it was connected with that place. Genesis was telling me about the same thing.


yea Christian said he could script it and make graphics

i was just told he could make it...

konidias 01-30-2003 06:56 PM

That bridge in the 3D shots must be made of magic because it's as thin as paper with no support beams. :p

Yeah that's so totally not possible with Graal's current scripting. It's an obvious copy and paste job. That would be like taking a snapshot of mario64 and putting a graal guy in it. :D

Although that kind of 3D game is the kind I'd prefer over a FPS.

G_yoshi 01-30-2003 10:33 PM

those images are neat, but as it has been said, that is not possible with the current public version of Graal. I do think it would be nice to see a PW sort of like that, however :)

Warcaptain 01-30-2003 10:35 PM

now that i read it all im gonna post.....

for starters i wanna say.
konidias you are a spoiled hypocrital stuck up a$$

you posted about my review that worlds shouldnt be required to have new graphics and new systems, yet you say thats the best thing about your world, and its WHY you should not have 4 week. but you dont want that to be required
if we dont require it this problem will keep occouring

your pw isnt "THE BEST" sure lots of people work on it, sure its got good ideas, but you are ASSUMING that its the best (there goes that word again) best to keep your mouth shut unless you know, unless you like the taste of your foot.

you were put up by stefan, congrats. but that doesnt give you bragging rights. i hate people like that. im NOT saying I like era
but they scripted all their stuff offline, why cant you!?

and you know what, if you have such superior staff, it SHOULDNT take so long for it to get completed. you say era is nice, well it didnt take half the time you did.

in regards to those top 7 worlds
take a look at a pattern.....
UN - Has desgusting things in it, hoe*s slu*ts, and the management doesnt enforce the rules, you know why? because players like doing whatever they want
Era - guns? gangs? mafia? swords? people are already shooting up schools, im not saying everyone who plays era is gonna get in trouble, but i was shutdown once for having the world "SL*UT" in a sign. you know why? because i was told "some young people play the game, and we dont wnt to influence them badly" how well are players being influenced with guns, gangs, violence like this? or having ho*es like that, or signs taht say 'YO SLU'T' is that good?
Valkorlia - doesnt have ANY rules, but will eat your head off if you dont have an 'rp name'
Delteria- dude i went on there and hacked in front of the former police chief, he did nothing. but i said he was an irresponsible chief and he jailed me... hmm fun!
Babylon - uhm... i was banned there once because some player that doesnt like me said i did something i didnt... wee a playerworld where you can ban people you dont like! FUN!!

this is all a biast situation
and if GO administration doesnt take care of this, and stop thining bout their pocketbook, they will be in BIG trouble

as the game grows, more people notice it, and if a rating board gets ahold of it, im sure itll get a Mature rating (which is possible for online games) and will require parental concent for anyone under 16 to play. graal DOESNT want that because 75% of their player income comes from little kids and their allowance.

Darlene159 01-30-2003 11:00 PM

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Originally posted by Warcaptain
long post.....

I totally agree with everything you have just said, and is basically what I have been trying to say...good luck convincing anyone

G_yoshi 01-30-2003 11:23 PM

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Originally posted by Warcaptain
now that i read it all im gonna post.....

for starters i wanna say.
konidias you are a spoiled hypocrital stuck up a$$

you posted about my review that worlds shouldnt be required to have new graphics and new systems, yet you say thats the best thing about your world, and its WHY you should not have 4 week. but you dont want that to be required
if we dont require it this problem will keep occouring

your pw isnt "THE BEST" sure lots of people work on it, sure its got good ideas, but you are ASSUMING that its the best (there goes that word again) best to keep your mouth shut unless you know, unless you like the taste of your foot.

you were put up by stefan, congrats. but that doesnt give you bragging rights. i hate people like that. im NOT saying I like era
but they scripted all their stuff offline, why cant you!?

and you know what, if you have such superior staff, it SHOULDNT take so long for it to get completed. you say era is nice, well it didnt take half the time you did.

in regards to those top 7 worlds
take a look at a pattern.....
UN - Has desgusting things in it, hoe*s slu*ts, and the management doesnt enforce the rules, you know why? because players like doing whatever they want
Era - guns? gangs? mafia? swords? people are already shooting up schools, im not saying everyone who plays era is gonna get in trouble, but i was shutdown once for having the world "SL*UT" in a sign. you know why? because i was told "some young people play the game, and we dont wnt to influence them badly" how well are players being influenced with guns, gangs, violence like this? or having ho*es like that, or signs taht say 'YO SLU'T' is that good?
Valkorlia - doesnt have ANY rules, but will eat your head off if you dont have an 'rp name'
Delteria- dude i went on there and hacked in front of the former police chief, he did nothing. but i said he was an irresponsible chief and he jailed me... hmm fun!
Babylon - uhm... i was banned there once because some player that doesnt like me said i did something i didnt... wee a playerworld where you can ban people you dont like! FUN!!

this is all a biast situation
and if GO administration doesnt take care of this, and stop thining bout their pocketbook, they will be in BIG trouble

as the game grows, more people notice it, and if a rating board gets ahold of it, im sure itll get a Mature rating (which is possible for online games) and will require parental concent for anyone under 16 to play. graal DOESNT want that because 75% of their player income comes from little kids and their allowance.

Well, I think you are being a hypocrite. You're not living up to the standards you posted. Now please return to the festering hole from whence you came. Oh! And have a nice day :)

There's just as much potential to be creative and original using the default tileset, you're just not looking hard enough. Those that use different graphics perhaps want thier world to have a different feel and appearance aside from going outside the norm. Did you ever consider that? As for an ESRB rating. Graal itself is capable of anything but would most likely wind up with either E or T (probably T more than anything). What should be done is to directly give ESRB ratings to each individual PW. Just because people can spew out vulgarities and such does not automattically equal and M from ESRB. Heck, look at TheSimsOnline or Phantasy Star Online. Both are rated T, but anyone can go on and swear up and down. Its up to the administration to enforce a rule concerning swearing or not. The game is rated based upon the contents of the game such as violence or themes. Besides, its not like kids don't play games like Halo, GTA, or Mortal Kombat. Those games have blood, gore, swearing, etc. Graal is about violence anyway. Every server that has swords falls in the catagory. ONO! Classic has people running around hitting each other with swords, lets put a stop to this violence so we don't influence the children :rolleyes:

As for having good staff, things will still take long. Its possible to go through many different builds of a script or different level designs and styles before one is found appropriate and efficient and so forth. This is why commercial games can take upto 4+ years to complete. Mostly because the final product is the final product when concerning console games. Even though you can make fixes and such for PC games, its best to do what you can do right before releasing it publicly. Its probably a very painful task to make patches for software sometimes and sometimes its just simple updates and improvements that didn't quite make it to the deadline or that are being saved for other purposes.

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Playerworlds are about being creative. When you put on restrictions that are likened to a vice, you're just restricting that creativity. This is not to say that I approve of playerworlds that have nudity or assorted obscenities. That's just being disgusting, not creative. If someone can make a playerworld that although its small yet is fun, exciting, new, and unique, why penalize them? You're wanthing playerworlds to be more diverse, correct? Well then a server like this fits the bill granted that it may not have achieved a certain standard. I think Era has a rather small overworld, but it got up. Despite what players do on it, I still think its original, fun, unique, and new. Again, you're focusing on quantity and not quality. This isn't a contest to see who can make the biggest overworld or who has the most new stuff. Although having more new than not is a plus, it shouldn't be a total detriment to the playerworld so long as the quality of it meets a certain level. When you focus on quantity rather than quality, you'll get more crap than not.

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konidias 01-31-2003 01:23 AM

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Originally posted by Warcaptain
for starters i wanna say.
konidias you are a spoiled hypocrital stuck up a$$

you posted about my review that worlds shouldnt be required to have new graphics and new systems, yet you say thats the best thing about your world, and its WHY you should not have 4 week. but you dont want that to be required
if we dont require it this problem will keep occouring

your pw isnt "THE BEST" sure lots of people work on it, sure its got good ideas, but you are ASSUMING that its the best (there goes that word again) best to keep your mouth shut unless you know, unless you like the taste of your foot.

you were put up by stefan, congrats. but that doesnt give you bragging rights. i hate people like that. im NOT saying I like era
but they scripted all their stuff offline, why cant you!?

and you know what, if you have such superior staff, it SHOULDNT take so long for it to get completed. you say era is nice, well it didnt take half the time you did.

LOL I'm spoiled and hypocritical? No I don't think they should be required to have new graphics or systems. Yes I did say the new graphics and systems make my playerworld better. I never said the old graphics and systems were unacceptable.

You're ASSUMING my playerworld isn't the best. How are you any different than me? At least I know what my playerworld has to offer. So I was put up by Stefan. Did I brag? No, I just stated that Stefan put my playerworld up, and it's his decision to remove it. I didn't say "neener neener my pw rox and stefan put it up because it is the bestest!"

Era scripted their stuff offline? Yeah they did, then it went online, and got reset a week later because of bugs in their online bank. :rolleyes: I have great staff, but I have 2 staff. Me and Falados (at the moment). So of course it's going to take longer than a team of 20. Era is nice for 15 minutes, then it becomes repetitive and loses all replay value. I probably have less than an hour logged there because I went through everything there was to do in 20 minutes and I'd rather not join a gang so I can work in a sweatshop and make guns and ammo for a bunch of kids that will go around and kill girls with them as they call them sl*ts.

JrTerrorist 01-31-2003 01:28 AM

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Originally posted by konidias
LOL I'm spoiled and hypocritical?
He missed ass :p

konidias 01-31-2003 01:32 AM

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Originally posted by JrTerrorist


He missed ass :p

I'd just like to know how he claims I'm spoiled and stuck up when my family pulls in a mere 30,000 a year to support 4 people, and I'm having to pay for most of my food and many of the bills, and I haven't recieved anything for myself in months. Yes I'm so spoiled and so stuck up. I work my ass off for a game that I get nothing in return for it, and then just because Stefan likes my work and treats me as a friend, I'm spoiled and stuck up.

JrTerrorist 01-31-2003 01:34 AM

You still missed ass :|

Darlene159 01-31-2003 02:09 AM

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Originally posted by JrTerrorist
You still missed ass :|
GRRR, stop spamming

JrTerrorist 01-31-2003 02:22 AM

WELL ITS TRUE!
He's like admitted to being an ass twice now.

Milkdude99 01-31-2003 02:45 AM

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Originally posted by konidias


I'd just like to know how he claims I'm spoiled and stuck up when my family pulls in a mere 30,000 a year to support 4 people, and I'm having to pay for most of my food and many of the bills, and I haven't recieved anything for myself in months. Yes I'm so spoiled and so stuck up. I work my ass off for a game that I get nothing in return for it, and then just because Stefan likes my work and treats me as a friend, I'm spoiled and stuck up.

Try 36,000 for a family of 6. :\

JrTerrorist 01-31-2003 03:24 AM

o.o.. thats 6,000 per person.. but including bills and everything.. O.O

Falcor 01-31-2003 04:13 AM

21k for 3, (well, plus my mere 1.5k anually I get from my low-end job)

Brad 01-31-2003 04:22 AM

oh im spoiled
only child
dad makes mongo dollars

tlf288 01-31-2003 04:38 AM

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Originally posted by Brad
oh im spoiled
dad makes mongo dollars

I have two brothers

JrTerrorist 01-31-2003 04:42 AM

Umm, only child. Parents make slightly above average wages.. o.O
Of course American monies worth more than Canadian

Warcaptain 01-31-2003 04:53 AM

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Originally posted by konidias


I'd just like to know how he claims I'm spoiled and stuck up when my family pulls in a mere 30,000 a year to support 4 people, and I'm having to pay for most of my food and many of the bills, and I haven't recieved anything for myself in months. Yes I'm so spoiled and so stuck up. I work my ass off for a game that I get nothing in return for it, and then just because Stefan likes my work and treats me as a friend, I'm spoiled and stuck up.

and yet you can stay online 24/7

im sure thats cheap =D

Kaimetsu 01-31-2003 05:39 AM

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Originally posted by Warcaptain
im NOT saying I like era
but they scripted all their stuff offline, why cant you!?

How many times must this be answered? He could, but it would increase development times and decrease world quality. What is so difficult about this concept?

And Warcaptain, don't turn this into a personal war on Konidias. If you wanna argue the topic at hand then do so, but don't turn the thread into a flamefest.

JrTerrorist 01-31-2003 06:10 AM

era was mostly done online I believe, well.. when I worked there they had doors, shotgun, and radio scripted.. then before I quit they had some new guns and such

G_yoshi 01-31-2003 11:21 PM

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Originally posted by Warcaptain


and yet you can stay online 24/7

im sure thats cheap =D

Um, did you know that most internet plans you pay by the month not the minute? Most consumers buy the unlimited access which means if they are on 24/7, they're aren't gonna take a hit for it. If you're paying by the hour or something, you're getting seriously screwed!

Rax 02-01-2003 10:24 AM

If koni saids he amkes so little moeny then why does he stay online 24/7 ?how could he go to work when hes always online?if he is idling then why is he wasting electrcity?oasis is been in development for 1-2 years now.follow the pattern and you'll see what will happen to oasis k?
Pokemon Online-Abandoned and quit
Bomy Fighting-Abandoned and quit
Oasis-look at above

Soul-Blade 02-01-2003 10:36 AM

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Originally posted by Rax
If koni saids he amkes so little moeny then why does he stay online 24/7 ?how could he go to work when hes always online?if he is idling then why is he wasting electrcity?oasis is been in development for 1-2 years now.follow the pattern and you'll see what will happen to oasis k?
Pokemon Online-Abandoned and quit
Bomy Fighting-Abandoned and quit
Oasis-look at above


Hmm...

I have a suggestion. You seem to be a graal player. This means, you play what we develope. With this said...you shouldn't post here because stupidity like that is said.

Well anyway, one thing you don't have correct. Oasis was not around 2 years ago...not even 1 year ago. I believe 7 months ago was when it began...no I am not keeping track, I just have a good memory. 7 months is...5 months lower then 1 year. Thats almost half of one year, meaning you are way off...so I would take my above advice.

Oasis is already online...hmm...already has months of work into...hmm...a few staff...why doesn't konidias just abandon all his work?! Sounds like a good idea to me! <sarcasm>.

melissa1988 02-01-2003 11:34 AM

still uses electricity yoshi... lol


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