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KJS 08-28-2001 11:27 PM

well from things I have made, making an offline game engine is easy (at lest for me)...

just the online junk is more confusing because you have to orginize everything and send a ton of data through the server...

and files and stuff, it just gets all hectic...

Admins 08-28-2001 11:43 PM

It's about the little things
For a game like Graal (offline mode only)
you would need to code:
- reading images (gifs, pngs, mngs)
- drawing images (DirectX)
- drawing light effects
- switching between fullscreen/window mode
- playing sound and music
- joystick support
- sharing of images for different objects
- level files + level editor + level generator
- animation files + editor
- npc script parsing
- script commands
- script debugger
- configuration panels
The basic Graal offline stuff has been made
on one single day, so you can imagine that
it could possible be done in a few months
if good programmers work on it.

For online mode:
- server which stores accounts, sends it to the
player at login, saves it all few minutes, sends
data between players
- client-side network code
- special player interaction stuff like
PMs, chatting, profiles, guilds
- data compression and encryption
- automatically downloading updated levels
and graphics
- npcserver which controls dynamic obects in the
game
- tools for administration
- website tools for account creation
- configuring the server machine,
which includes making it unhackable
and updating it all few days to prevent future
hacks; also the machine needs to improved
in speed, meaning testing and installing
different libraries and kernels etc.

Admins 08-28-2001 11:45 PM

I forgot the community and money stuff:
you will see that you need to change the
server often because its expensive,
and people are leaving the project or
trying to destroy it or just needed to
be motivated or trying to demotivate you

Kaimetsu 08-28-2001 11:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by RawPower


Yes?

I never actually said that I'd work on the project.

RawPower 08-28-2001 11:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kaimetsu


I never actually said that I'd work on the project.

When did I say you were? I said we were talking about it...

Admins 08-29-2001 12:02 AM

Does this vB has a refresh function so when people
post stuff the page is automatically updated? :-)

RawPower 08-29-2001 12:05 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Stefan
Does this vB has a refresh function so when people
post stuff the page is automatically updated? :-)

Yes

AlexH 08-29-2001 12:06 AM

Ive always wanted to be able to program but i cant.
Where do you people learn to program?

Slaktmaster 08-29-2001 12:37 AM

Shadrock, Soul Blade and Kaimetsu. Why don't you work together? You are all great at making stuff. And it woiuld be really cool to see Shaddy and SB work together. :D

Kaimetsu 08-29-2001 12:39 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by RawPower


When did I say you were? I said we were talking about it...

Quote: "He's the programmer"

You said that I was the programmer, but I haven't yet said I would be. You've only asked me so far - I haven't said yes or no. Better would be:

"He might end up being the programmer"

Kaimetsu 08-29-2001 12:40 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Slaktmaster
Shadrock, Soul Blade and Kaimetsu. Why don't you work together? You are all great at making stuff. And it woiuld be really cool to see Shaddy and SB work together. :D
I have other things that I really need to work on right now.

RawPower 08-29-2001 12:41 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Slaktmaster
Shadrock, Soul Blade and Kaimetsu. Why don't you work together? You are all great at making stuff. And it woiuld be really cool to see Shaddy and SB work together. :D
Soulblade and I have a different style of graphics, it wouldn't work out.

kyle0654 08-29-2001 02:56 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Crybos
I stink with GFX's, I never really did much Graphics before, I've manily just made Levels and NPC's. I need to know, is Adobe Photoshop LE any good? I never knew I had this, till I looked in this CD book.
That's what I use...as long as you don't mind missing out on a few features you might never use then it's just fine.

Butz 08-29-2001 03:04 AM

LE is okay, but it doesn't have many of the filter options, and it doesn't have a multiple undo feature...(which gets quite annoying) So if I'm ever drawing anything, I just use Neopaint...

Slaktmaster 08-29-2001 03:49 AM

I will start learning C++ soon. Then mi and mi fwend maek game shall. (When I know it, wich is in a few years :()

T-Squad 08-29-2001 04:34 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Stefan
What I have seen yet of M are
some testng npcs and weapons and
chaotic levels which someone said will be
be replaced, then I saw a generated overworld,
not more. Do you really think that could
beat existing playerworlds? I know that not
all playerworlds are very good, but I often see
nice stuff, e.g. on Atlantis, Frolic, Faheria.
I only hear complaining about that your
server is not put up, but not work in making your
stuff better so that it gets up. I have seen
some other nice examples of graphics and stuff
that will be put up on M (?) but have not seen in
action,

It's getting annoying to hear people complaining
about stuff and saying they will make a much better
game that beats Graal 100 times,
but cannot do a few levels and npcs of quality
to prove they can make a half-way good
playerworld

...Hmm...Then you must not be seeing the one I sent...have you deleted the old one? The level generated world is about 25% detailed...most system NPCs are already added...we have many indoors...an excellent mining system...

Do you even have the tilesets? The bodies? I don't understand...we have already added the 3 tilesets...we have bodies, new body ganis...every single thing is new...

Can you please explain why you said that? Or tell me...you haven't seen anything new in the submission?

Did I send you the text file explaining mining/equiptment/items? They are kinda long...but they explain alot of things.

You have confused me greatly...

T-Squad 08-29-2001 04:41 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nishoku


Soul, If you need me to touch up the levels just hollar.. I'm always there for you, you helped me with xone, I'll help you out with murusame..

No our levels are great...I don't think Stefan is receiving the files...once I get my other comp back I'm gonna resubmit...

Hehe well...no I won't...I'm going to finish some stuff...

Admins 08-29-2001 04:47 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by T-Squad


Can you please explain why you said that? Or tell me...you haven't seen anything new in the submission?

You have confused me greatly...

Just submit the latest version please

T-Squad 08-29-2001 04:48 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nishoku

Hmm... Give Stefan a chance he prob has 100's of servers in his mailbox by now, XD

Well I can't do nothing anyway...my comp is busted...the one with Murasamune files at least.

T-Squad 08-29-2001 04:54 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Stefan


Just submit the latest version please

=/

I would...sadly I can't...like I said in the post above, my comp is broken...

Fan burnt out...the chip was black when I opened the fan up...

Can't have my other comp on for more then 5 minutes...=/

lol this sounds like "a dog ate my homework" kind of excuse...=/

T-Squad 08-29-2001 04:58 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nishoku

Is it possible for any of your staff memebers to send in the most recent version?

Yeah W-Dragoon could, but he told me there is a problem with the tilesets showing or something...He has the version I submitted to Stefan...argh this is a heopless situation.

LilbrojX 08-29-2001 05:00 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Stefan


Just submit the latest version please


umm, you didn't get the latest submission? I'm not totally up to date, but I can send you that one again... I don't think you've seen murasamune, because the tiles where included in that zip file...

LilbrojX 08-29-2001 05:01 AM

now, I would just zip up my folder, but there's lotsa crap there, and double files, and it's all your fault soul

T-Squad 08-29-2001 05:02 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by LilbrojX
now, I would just zip up my folder, but there's lotsa crap there, and double files, and it's all your fault soul
lol I keep things organized ;-)

AlexH 08-29-2001 05:07 AM

i wish stefan would put Murasamune up
it looks good
i wanna play it

LilbrojX 08-29-2001 05:11 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by T-Squad


lol I keep things organized ;-)

so do I, but when I downloaded the new update, I realized that we don't have the same sub folers and crap, and things got messed up. see, it's your fault

LilbrojX 08-29-2001 05:13 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by RawPower


Soulblade and I have a different style of graphics, it wouldn't work out.

and, shad hates me, and I'd problebly work for soul blade

LilbrojX 08-29-2001 05:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nishoku

:: points finger at Soul Blade :: :D


LilbrojX 08-29-2001 06:06 AM

well stefan, I sent it. I hope you like it, check out the option system

LilbrojX 08-29-2001 06:45 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nishoku

w00, :: shakes bootay :: Let's listen to the elmo song and drink Tequilas!


sounds like a plan chief

Warcaptain 08-29-2001 09:55 AM

i got half way through this post and fell asleep reading it..

entravial 08-29-2001 11:24 AM

Faheria
 
(Sir Spiderman)
Faheria will own, shadrock showed me some stuff, the levels were kinda impressive, and gfx wise, lol...suck my butt and slap me in the face, they were amazing.....there was lozza stuff, new weapons, an awesoem race, which i thought could be pets, and they grow, i will not release any details of any of these, because if shadrock wants you to see them, by christ...you'll see them and you'll be impressed...to hell with murasamune....providence, and any other server, that considers itself, to be good....faheria will own, and thats coming from me...i usually criticize everything, including my own stuff, trust me, money spent playing faheria will be money well spent

habek 08-29-2001 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Warcaptain
i got half way through this post and fell asleep reading it..
ahahahah. i just love toad's smilies

LordAzeroth 08-29-2001 05:20 PM

Re: Faheria
 
Quote:

Originally posted by entravial
(Sir Spiderman)
Faheria will own, shadrock showed me some stuff, the levels were kinda impressive, and gfx wise, lol...suck my butt and slap me in the face, they were amazing.....there was lozza stuff, new weapons, an awesoem race, which i thought could be pets, and they grow, i will not release any details of any of these, because if shadrock wants you to see them, by christ...you'll see them and you'll be impressed...to hell with murasamune....providence, and any other server, that considers itself, to be good....faheria will own, and thats coming from me...i usually criticize everything, including my own stuff, trust me, money spent playing faheria will be money well spent

How much were you paid to say that?

toad1413 08-29-2001 05:29 PM

Re: Re: Faheria
 
Quote:

Originally posted by LordAzeroth


How much were you paid to say that?

lol. :spam:

habek 08-29-2001 06:00 PM

Re: Faheria
 
Quote:

Originally posted by entravial
(Sir Spiderman)
Faheria will own, shadrock showed me some stuff, the levels were kinda impressive, and gfx wise, lol...suck my butt and slap me in the face, they were amazing.....there was lozza stuff, new weapons, an awesoem race, which i thought could be pets, and they grow, i will not release any details of any of these, because if shadrock wants you to see them, by christ...you'll see them and you'll be impressed...to hell with murasamune....providence, and any other server, that considers itself, to be good....faheria will own, and thats coming from me...i usually criticize everything, including my own stuff, trust me, money spent playing faheria will be money well spent

if i'm not satisfied, i'll hit you in teh hed

Admins 08-29-2001 06:22 PM

Faheria graphics are nice :cool:

habek 08-29-2001 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Stefan
Faheria graphics are nice :cool:
:megaeek: woah! stefan approves it! then it must be great :)

habek 08-29-2001 07:14 PM

put some screenshots! :grrr:

Cloud_X 08-29-2001 07:23 PM

Faheria has nice graphics however, why did they make the same mistake on some levels the grass is to plainish. there is so much it should be nicer in like patches and such to make it look nicer


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