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Crono 10-07-2008 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Rufus (Post 1430174)
I disagree. Acting passively could be passed off as good intentions, but it's just laziness. Should players have a reason to complain? Not really no. "BUT THIS IS GRAAL!" I hear you cry, but that's no excuse at all; I don't play other games and feel the need to spam their support center with complaints. This is an issue that actually does needs addressing by the PWA. Sitting back and watching managers -apparently- dig themselves into holes is not helping anyone, but neither is smothering them.

Players are quick to point fingers without knowing the problem beforehand, and Graal has more problems than most games I play/have played. I was never pretending that there wasn't a problem, however for PWA to act based soley on player criticism rather than firsthand experience (can be done through observation) is just silly to me.

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I disagree with this too. Era players' server visiting habits are not really linked to staff experience at all. I played Classic BY ITSELF for years, does that mean I have no real chance of developing something of quality? I've been on Era quite a few times, and not everyone is a "pool of gangsters" and your "finding a quality developer" statement isn't native to Era and you are well aware of that.
If you ever spent a significant time on Era you would understand what I mean. I wouldn't be surprised if you were to compare the ratio of potential developers on Era to UN, Zodiac, and other classic playerworlds only to find Era's most lacking.

cbk1994 10-07-2008 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Nataxo (Post 1429920)
agreed, you should make Era at least 15+ only...

LOL
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Originally Posted by Pimmeh (Post 1429989)
Actually, it is...When I read my posts from 13, from other forums that is, and compare them to mine here, I find a big difference.

Have you seen some of the people who are 18+ on Era? :rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by [email protected] (Post 1430127)
i don't care to be honest. If anyone I'd vote Sales for manager.

Sales for Manager.

Elizabeth 10-07-2008 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by cbk1994 (Post 1430186)
LOL


hahahah id get to play it earlier than you

CharlieM 10-07-2008 10:15 PM

Everyone that wasn't old enough would lie about there age anyways

Yocas 10-07-2008 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by CharlieM (Post 1430194)
Everyone that wasn't old enough would lie about there age anyways

Just like they did to get games like GTA4 and Conkers Bad Fur Day; or was that because they asked their mommies and daddies to buy it for them?

cbk1994 10-07-2008 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Elizabeth (Post 1430192)
hahahah id get to play it earlier than you

plz

I've been playing Graal since I was eight. Age limits don't stop me.

Nataxo 10-07-2008 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by CharlieM (Post 1430194)
Everyone that wasn't old enough would lie about there age anyways

Thats right, although there are parents that investigate/read rules and such about the games their sons play.

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Originally Posted by cbk1994 (Post 1430208)
plz

I've been playing Graal since I was eight. Age limits don't stop me.

My God...:o

natchez416 10-08-2008 02:27 AM

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Sales for Manager.
Good idea when I think about it !

Elizabeth 10-08-2008 02:29 AM

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Originally Posted by cbk1994 (Post 1430208)
plz

I've been playing Graal since I was eight. Age limits don't stop me.

:eek:

ive been playing since i was 10.

Yocas 10-08-2008 03:16 AM

Has Graal gotten any better like most games typically do as we got older? :confused:

DustyPorViva 10-08-2008 03:36 AM

Was Graal ever good? Or did we just grow older and with our age, did our expectations grow and finally we realized Graal never really was as good as we thought it was.

Possibly. Just possibly.

WarLord2004 10-08-2008 05:32 AM

We all know graal was good in the ole days now it's just to simple ... It reach a point where there seems to be no turning back?

at first graal use to have more than 600+ players when i first started that gave me some good feedback to why would people play this game as i got in i got to like it more and more... But now simply looking at a server at the rate of 10 - 20 players a day it gets me annoyed why would someone want to pay for a game that has 10-20 players i mean i already own an account but am speaking of with new servers and even some that has already made classics....

Right now 3 servers on the list draws closely to 100 players limit .... Reason so no one wants to play the other middle class or lower class server because the server is not over populated people love to play on servers that are very active but since we have a system that seems to only depends on money it's not going to help other playerworlds...

So its just not being fair... I mean it's not like we now can hold 2000 players we can because graal servers are now in the USA and else where...

So why not do a change in plans and make graal come back to life...
Like it use it.... am sure stefan and unixmad is not happy with seeing only 13 - 20 players on Kingdoms and then 23 - 30 players on zone?

DustyPorViva 10-08-2008 05:42 AM

Playercount doesn't really represent quality though.

When Graal was originally just the Classic server, it had ~200 players. Sometimes 300 on a very good day. When more servers came around the playercount started to increase. Once Graal went P2P everything went to hell and many left Graal and playercount dropped a lot. It's just been downhill from there.

Back when I played Classic I sometimes quested... not much though. Most quests were either broken or full or something of the sort. What did I do? I passed my time on Graal by either PKing, participating in throne wars, or guild wars, trash talking or some other sort of mindless thing I have absolutely no interest in anymore. A couple years passed and I got into development and never played again.

Really, Graal hasn't changed, just my interests. I hate PKing now, I abhor the trash talking crap that Graal had going back then, and I can't stand to really stay on more than a few minutes because I quickly get bored. Of course, this is just me but I think as every player grows up their interests start to change and mature. What was fun for us back then is not anymore, even though it's exactly the same.

I'm not saying Graal is still good these days, but just the fact I think it was just as bad back then as it was today, but it was free so people sucked it up and found ways to enjoy it. Simple isn't always bad, but simple without refinement is. Graal has a lot of potential, but it still, after 10 years, hasn't been unlocked. I think 2k1 was the prime of Graal, but Graal still needs so much more.

cbk1994 10-08-2008 02:46 PM

I used to be amused by using little explosive weapons to kill bushes in Babylon's bush house.

Something like that wouldn't be fun anymore.

Probably because expectations have gone up.

There aren't really less developers, they're just more spread out, and the standard of quality for scripts has gone up.

Dumdumdidi 10-08-2008 02:46 PM

I liked Zelda Online. :P

Yocas 10-08-2008 03:02 PM

Yep, Graal was fun way back when every server was filled with enough people to enjoy it. But as time passed by with no updates or new interesting features, it just died out. Look at Graal Kingdoms for an example. That used to be the peak of Graal for me until I realized that there were never any major updates or resets and it had the same content for over 6 years. Same monsters, same items, same quest, same map.

You can't have a game with the same features for over a long period of time. Games like World of Warcraft use the same concept as most MMORPGs do. But they keep their game updated and add new features to it periodically which keeps the game entertaining. Why pay for Graal when there are hundreds of FREE online games out there that actually keep the game new and interesting?

But to be honest, Graal is pretty much dead at this point in my opinion. I can't really see it going anywhere from here after going so long without adding anything interesting. There are enough bad reviews for Graal to the point where I don't think anyone new is going to try it out.

Clockwork 10-08-2008 10:04 PM

I see it basically as dead as well, I don't foresee a lot of people resubscribing in the upcoming year.

Chris 10-09-2008 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Shotoo2 (Post 1429911)
historically, Era has almost always had problems involving the PWA, lol

No ****.


Had I known Era needed money for a dev server I could have helped. I'm disappointed that once again Houdini has done something to cause the management to collapse.

Frankie 10-09-2008 01:29 AM

yeah okay. like we were actually going to think of you when we were trying to get the money, lol.

Shotoo2 10-09-2008 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 1430634)
No ****.


Had I known Era needed money for a dev server I could have helped. I'm disappointed that once again Houdini has done something to cause the management to collapse.

Holy ****, it's Chris

Vman13x 10-09-2008 03:24 AM

Woah thats a suprise.didnt know he was on forums lol

Gambet1337 10-13-2008 01:42 AM

im glad icarus quit
he was a terrible manager imo

Freudian_slip 10-13-2008 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Gambet1337 (Post 1432401)
im glad icarus quit
he was a terrible manager imo

Same.
As far as I'm concerned, Houdiniman did us a great service.

Meph 10-13-2008 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Shotoo2 (Post 1430706)
Holy ****, it's Chris

/open chrisrainbigfan

WanDaMan 10-13-2008 08:53 AM

hi5 chris ohai meph :D!1

It'd be stupid to delay the development much more now without a Manager. Re-hire Icarus & Frankie.

Shotoo2 10-13-2008 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by WanDaMan (Post 1432496)
hi5 chris ohai meph :D!1

It'd be stupid to delay the development much more now without a Manager. Re-hire Icarus & Frankie.

A new administration is taking form.

Frankie 10-13-2008 04:48 PM

it's kinda upsetting that just because you guys say Icarus did nothing, that you assume I did nothing either. I worked my ass off.

DuBsTeRmAn 10-13-2008 05:52 PM

Hmm, Icarus did scripts right? Well, Then they cant see that icarus is working or not.. U cant see scripts -.-

Understood 10-13-2008 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by DuBsTeRmAn (Post 1432590)
Hmm, Icarus did scripts right? Well, Then they cant see that icarus is working or not.. U cant see scripts -.-

He's not a scripter, but just because he didn't announce what he was doing, doesn't mean he wasn't doing anything.

Regardless, he wasn't removed for his inabilities or at all, he quit.

Yocas 10-13-2008 10:50 PM

Regardless of who is manager they will always be seen as some guy who sits at their desk idling and not doing any work at all.

Shotoo2 10-13-2008 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Yocas (Post 1432761)
Regardless of who is manager they will always be seen as some guy who sits at their desk idling and not doing any work at all.

Only by the players.

and usually only if they don't interact with the players at all

Chris 10-15-2008 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Yocas (Post 1432761)
Regardless of who is manager they will always be seen as some guy who sits at their desk idling and not doing any work at all.

Was my official job on Era for a while. :cool:


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