So the playerworld Managers that actually care, and who can benefit from learning something from this should just be left out? If this is going to benefit Graal as a whole, I hardly think that anyone should be left out if they care enough to want to participate. I happen to know that the Manager, and Asst. Manager of N-Pulse are quite intelligent, care about the server, and are in tune with what the players want. I think what you said is highly unfair.

Because if there is not a server that dosent participate, it wont show what kinds of unfair advantages and vendettas this meeting really has.

If everyone just GOES ALONG WITH IT. No one will ever know if a server would have been punished, recieve less support, recieve more global support, or what by not going. Its about finding out just what the penalty is for not being there.

I suppose Babylon is the last pillar chance for a server to not attend and see just what happens to a server who chooses to be different.

Im proud to say I manage that server.

Stop reading only what you want to read. I never said leave them out. I said don't make them priority over the others like he was doing.

If it's going to benefit Graal as a whole, I guess everyone involved with Graal should attend the meeting, according to your logic.

Myself, James and Grey have concluded that we will not attend. You don't have enough money in the world to make any one of us go to that thing. >=[

I personally don't believe this is real, as in, I don't give it a chance of meaning anything. Stefan and Unix wont listen to your ideas, period. The only way of getting players to come to Graal would be advertising. That's it, and getting a group of Managers, some of which probably don't deserve the tag they strut around wearing, to get around and discuss tupperware isn't going to help anything.

You're irritating.

We are going in circles, so I wont argue anymore. You win...

Anyway, I don't see what any Playerworld Manager has to lose by checking this out. It might just do some good, who knows. I don't see what it could hurt.

This thread sure is an eye opener though. :\

There is far too much negativity in my opinion.

Well its a good thing no one asked for your opinion then, isnt it?

Im sure there are plenty of people who would disagree with you.

No, that's just how you perceive it, try not thinking into it too much konidias and there wouldn't be this problem.

It's not like how I perceive things is so much different than how others do.

Really, why did you call him "son"? I can only think of the reasons which I have already listed. Nobody is going to perceive that you are his father or something. :p

:P Yeah I get your point, but I just said that because I could :D

Wow I missed alot...
MG, can you possibly get me in touch with these N-Pulse managers because they are the last ones left now.

And about Andy wanting a server to not participate: I have made it clear to every Manager that they may back out form this proccess after the meeting. No one has made a commitment to this project yet.

Agreed. :frown:

make me a global too, i'll help graal i promise

Actions speak louder than words. :)
Who said anything about anyone becoming a global?

If you have a problem with me because I like to have fun on a game then please discuss it with me via PM.
I think that sometimes you forget that you're the only employee here, so you have to be serious and responsible, but we're all here to play and enjoy ourselves, so please don't hinder that.

Also, there is plenty of discussion about Zero becoming a global, it may not be factual but it's still there.

I see. Well, he would probably be a good choice, maybe that is why there is discussion about it (although I haven't seen any).

More globals would be handy ^^.

Well, whatever Zero's reasoning for doing this is, I'm glad he's actually trying something for a change. True, he may be using this as a springboard to become "Global Staff" but in our own ways we all have ideas how to improve Graal we just don't carry them out, yet those that do are seen as people with a hidden agenda.

Now all that's left for us players is to see the outcome ^^

I bet :D
Must...hold..tongue.... biting....hurts....arg!

I mean not all people have greed or power trip reasons for wanting to become a global. I wouldn't mind becoming a global simply because I know what it's like have to be waiting for one person to get to your issue for a week. If we had enough globals we could always have someone on hand. :)

Wow, I got a neg rep for agreeing that it's a bad idea to not listen to your customers!
As I've stated, this thread assumes that Graal has a future.
Companies that don't care about their customers rarely last a long time.

And you know for a fact that Cyberjoueurs doesn't care about their customers? I'm sorry you live in such a painful world sir.

You didn't prove him wrong, so your post wasn't any better.

Try complaining about a policy.
No, get the entire forum to complain about a policy.
See where it gets you.

That has never been done.....ever. Do not start this in this thread.

The flat end of a large hammer.

Edit: If I ever buy a sledgehammer I'm going to paint Ban-Hammer on the side of it.

Edit2: You know when you say hammer alot and think about it, then it gets funny :)
http://home.houston.rr.com/inverness/hammer2.jpg

http://wiki.graal.net/index.php/Proj...e_Graal_Reform

We have every classic server guys!
Now we are working on the hosted and private servers.
I feel bad for those who had no faith in me.

Awesome. There are more positive people then I thought. Thank you for proving me wrong. :)

Not a problem ^_^
I was actually suprised at how many mature and kind Managers there are out there.

Apparently, a lot of people would like to see some reform.
Part of my DR Comp project was to unite people across servers.
That worked out great.

Most of us are really nice people.. just dont mess with us or WE WILL BITE YOU! :)

You make me think of Chompy, the one from Graal and the one from Mario. Hehe I wish I had a pet like that. ^^

Why? No one really had NO FAITH in you. As I said before, I have a lot of faith in the idea, just not that it is a selfless act.

Besides I just checked out your page and saw...

While I dont know Alarid at all, so I cant draw an opinion, Malinkos name is enough to make the whole project more shady then before to me.

Why does everyone have to Agree with your idea and want to attend to be kind and mature? Is there no such thing as constructive negitive critisism anymore?

Spryte is a very smart woman and a good manager of UN. She doesn't agree with your ideas and didn't wish to attend your meeting. That gives you no right to imply that not only her, but all of UN is stupid. I don't see how you can expect anyone to listen to you, when you yourself wouldn't listen to me. I told you that you would have trouble getting her to agree to attend. And I told you it would be best to tell me and let me talk to her. But, you didn't listen to me and she didn't listen to you. I had a talk with her and got her to agree to attend, and UN would probably have been on your list of attending playerworlds, if you would have listened to me in the first place. I've been wanting to say something in reply to your comment about people on UN being stupid, but I've been banned so meh.

UN is only attending, because I felt we should at least go and listen so we know what's going on. I discussed it with Spryte and she agreed to go. That does not mean we agree with your ideas or that we are going to be a part of the actual project.

Me and Spryte are close. And the only reason I still play Graal is I promised to stay and help her with UN if she became manager. She asks me for my opinion a lot of the time on decisions and such. And she respects my opinion. And honestly I doubt she would have punished me or anything had I gone without her permission. I ask her before doing anything, though. She still doesn't like the idea and probably would rather not go, but she's agreed to because I asked her if she would.

I understand and I respect the fact that you are staying and helping. I didnt know about your guyses relationship in that you were staying just to help her.

I just wanted someone to be different but I guess its a good idea that everyone knows whats going on.

No shots fired from me ^^

I'm so sorry that I have an opinion that people are kind and mature. I have no idea where you drew that I was connecting people accepting my ideas with me saying they are kind and mature. It seems like you are making very desperate attempts to fight with me. If you don't care about this project then get out of this thread.

On another note: Not many expressed that they accepted my ideas because I told them not to. I only asked that people come to the meeting after which they could choose to accept them or not. Again, why are you fighting with me?

The reason I was making that comment is because Spryte was keeping a closed mind. I was asking no commitment from anyone nor was I asking anyone to accept my ideas. Of course it sounds stupid that someone would simply refute something that COULD be an oppertunity but doesn't demand anything of you at the moment.

That does not reflect her intelligence in any way. She simply doesn't like the idea and doesn't agree with you. The way she sees it, UN is the most popular server with a good chunk of the player count. Graal Online would suffer if it were to be kicked off the classic list or something, just for not attending this meeting. Like I told you, when you first PMed me asking who you should speak to, you should have let me talk to her for you, since she trusts my judgment and values my opinion. It took me literally one minute to talk her into it, when you could after 30 minutes of talking to her.

I too am curious to see what would happen to a classic server that didn't attend. The way I see it, if they implement some kind of official support for servers/playerworlds, it should be for all and not just for the ones that attend this meeting. No offense taken to your comment either, I was simply stating things I would have before had I not been banned. Instead, I had to ask Rufus to relay the message for me, and he made it sound a little like I would go against Spryte's decision.

I find this ironic. Apparently a "smart" woman manages the most immature playerworld I've been too.

"Hey, its popular!"

Yeah, lots of little kids running around, like its damn lord of the flies or something. Of course they would rather play on a server where they run freely.

I somewhat agree with this idea, but honestly, what do you expect to accomplish?

People have no faith in this actually accomplishing anything, not in gathering Managers.

What does this have to do with positive people?