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Frank 01-04-2002 02:34 AM

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Originally posted by PlasmaDestroyer
I think what he's trying to say is....If your not famous your opinion doesn't really matter to him... =/
I know what he was saying, hes just mad because his levels are bad

konidias 01-04-2002 02:35 AM

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Originally posted by AlkarenHyralt



What are you talking about?

lol yeah.. see this is what needs to stop.. these people that think I'm power hungry for what? NO REASON. I don't want to run Graal, I don't want more power, I don't need more power.. I just want to make Graal as fun as possible. I don't care about being liked or having power, it really doesn't matter.. I could up and leave today and go work on my own things and better with programming but I choose to stay here to help Stefan and make Graal worth playing.

Everyone go check future improvements forum in a moment, I'm going to post the additions that should be added to playerlist options (I even made a layout of it in delphi to show exactly what I mean) :)

Frank 01-04-2002 02:36 AM

every level I have seen of yours has been bad, I mean I am not trying to offend you or anything but. they are really bad and we are straying from the point of this thread. so lets end this and get to the more important points of my post

PlasmaDestroyer 01-04-2002 02:37 AM

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Originally posted by konidias


lol yeah.. see this is what needs to stop.. these people that think I'm power hungry for what? NO REASON. I don't want to run Graal, I don't want more power, I don't need more power.. I just want to make Graal as fun as possible. I don't care about being liked or having power, it really doesn't matter.. I could up and leave today and go work on my own things and better with programming but I choose to stay here to help Stefan and make Graal worth playing.

Everyone go check future improvements forum in a moment, I'm going to post the additions that should be added to playerlist options (I even made a layout of it in delphi to show exactly what I mean) :)

I have MUCH better things I could so also. But I choose not to. I choose to try and make Graal better.
(Woohoo 9 pages =D)

G_yoshi 01-04-2002 02:40 AM

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Originally posted by PlasmaDestroyer


I have MUCH better things I could so also. But I choose not to. I choose to try and make Graal better.
(Woohoo 9 pages =D)

4 pages for me...I have it set to show 40 posts per page :)

ArchOwl 01-04-2002 02:42 AM

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Originally posted by Frank
every level I have seen of yours has been bad, I mean I am not trying to offend you or anything but. they are really bad and we are straying from the point of this thread. so lets end this and get to the more important points of my post


again,not being specific, you said every level I have seen of yours,but that does not specify if you mean ALL OF THE LEVELS IVE POSTED HERE or JUST THE ONES YOUVE SEEN. If you mean JUST THE ONES YOUVE SEEN, then that is again being vague.


And AGAIN; not really alot of points on your post are important. Infact,it really is not much of a important post.


[edit]And the point of this thread is to help g2k1,so how am i straying from it?[/edit]

TheFrozenFiend 01-04-2002 02:42 AM

Re: What has Graal become?
 
This is reply to the first post of the topic.

Paragraph 1: if its been deleted 3 times maybe (just maybe) someone doesnt want it up. You think youd have figured that out by the second time.

Paragraph 2: The only thing thats getting worse if the ammount of players who complain and think they could do better. Stefan doesnt have 24 hours a day to sit down and work on graal so some people who dont even want to pay for the game can have fun with it for 5 minutes before getting bored.

Paragraph 3: This is purely the players fault and no-one else can be blamed for it. The reason guilds are just a tag is because of players. The reason events are ruined is because of players. Youll never stop every player from doing something just because you dont like it. Some people only do it because others dont like it. Theres nothing you can do about it. Dont even bother saying ban people. Youd be getting rid of well over half the players and more will come, and come, and keep coming.

Paragraph 4: Why are there no teams for games? Players. Same things as guilds. Players dont care. After 5 minutes they are sick of it and want something else. If events team put on events people didnt want then people would complain. They just do what players want. Isnt that a good way to go about doing their job? Doing as the players ask? You cant sattisfy everyone. Thats a fact. They do however manage to satisfy a lot of people by doing what the majority want.

Paragraph 5: Players cant be corrupt. They dont have the powers to be corrupt. They can lie, cheat, hack and scam but that doesnt make them corrupt. Some players act like total idiots but if thats what they want to do they can. On graal 2001 I havent realy seen any corrupt staff. Sure, theres staff that wouldnt answer you if you waited an hour and FAQ's that couldnt answer basic questions about the server but thats not corrupt. Its just people being hired who shouldnt be hired. FAQ's shouldnt even need to be hired. Players should help each other. If someone asks me for help Id try answer them. I dont need some tag to do that. I dont need (FAQ) after my name just to help a person who needs help. Unfortunutely thats not the case with most people. In the end it all comes down to the players.

Paragraph 6: This I agree on for the most part. However you could just disable mass messages. Ignore toalls. Stay off graal. Nothing stefan says and nothing unixmad does can change this. This may be repetitive but its all down to the same thing. Players.

Paragraph 7: So what if someone tells you to shut up and die. Big deal. It shouldnt matter to you what some person who youve never met and probably will never meet says. If they have no valid reason for it then its irrelivent.

Paragraph 8: Its personal opinion. Like any game, in fact like every thing, ever created, some people will like it and some wont.
You cant please everyone.

The rest of the paragraphs are just your opinions on certain things about graal so I wont talk about them.

Half of what you said has nothing to do with graal itself but the people who play it.
Just think about that.

G_yoshi 01-04-2002 02:52 AM

Re: Re: What has Graal become?
 
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Originally posted by TheFrozenFiend
Paragraph 5: Players cant be corrupt. They dont have the powers to be corrupt. They can lie, cheat, hack and scam but that doesnt make them corrupt. Some players act like total idiots but if thats what they want to do they can. On graal 2001 I havent realy seen any corrupt staff. Sure, theres staff that wouldnt answer you if you waited an hour and FAQ's that couldnt answer basic questions about the server but thats not corrupt. Its just people being hired who shouldnt be hired. FAQ's shouldnt even need to be hired. Players should help each other. If someone asks me for help Id try answer them. I dont need some tag to do that. I dont need (FAQ) after my name just to help a person who needs help. Unfortunutely thats not the case with most people. In the end it all comes down to the players.
Actually, yes, they can be corrupt. Don't be naive and say that a player can't because it happens to many when they get access to NPCs or other tools. Yes, I know that a person calling an FAQ corrupt for not responding is crazy, but the meaning of the word has become so watered down that it's an excuse to call someone corrup when a person doesn't get their way...that is how it works.

konidias 01-04-2002 02:53 AM

I don't blame the players.. you missed the entire point.. I'm not pointing fingers.. I'm stating that the players have changed because Graal has changed, not the other way around.

If there were more active Events Team people, then it would be possible to have football teams and things, but there isn't and no one can really manage that besides ET. I don't have mass messages blocked simply because I shouldn't HAVE to block them. But again it isn't the players fault.. when all you can do is get money and items, people get greedy and it consumes everything.

There is so much potential with G2k1 but there are barely any staff to run it anymore.. the game masters aren't mastering anything besides sitting around and coming online once a week. No offense to the game masters but aren't you supposed to do something? Not just make up rules and things but actually participate and be involved with the server?

Like I stated, the entire post was my opinion, and you shouldn't act like I was stating facts.. they were all personal opinions by me. You can either agree or disagree, but please don't think what I say is 100% right all the time. :(

AlkarenHyralt 01-04-2002 02:57 AM

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Originally posted by Zulithe
Okay, the forum won't let me quote AlkarenHyralt's post because it's too big so I'll do it this way.

I don't agree. If people are so worried about post counts and wine and cry that people are spamming to get more posts, the solution is to hide post counts or REMOVE post counts. I AM 100% IN FAVOR OF REMOVING POST COUNTS

Spamming is not always about post count. Some people do it, just to be funny. Personally I don't care if people spam to get their post count up; post count means nothing. But I don't like to see a bunch of spam in the main forum where I try to read threads.


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It can be a very fine line! Insulting and harassing is against the rules, those rules are enforced. It's that simple, the definition of flame is not the issue here.
Well, to me it looked like you misunderstood what flaming was. :)

Insulting is another thing that while something may be insulting to one, it is funny to another. I don't exactly like that rule. Because it's hard to tell what is insulting and what isn't; it all matters on the person's...well, mod's opinion.


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Yes it is, THESE are the tools that mods use. They are the only tools needed, other than rules to enforce.
Indeed, tools to help find a solution. They are not a solution themselves. :)

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That may be, but not if my rules conflict with the ones Unixmad set into place. Which in the instances I've been giving examples of, it would.
I have never seen a mod make rules that conflict with those set by admins, in all my years. :)
A lot of times, rules are just altered some to help narrow it down for a certain forum by that forum's mod/s.


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Well if you want to get technical... :-p
Oh but I must. :) :)

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Nothing is so black and white, I never said I would throw all similar topics into one thread. But many of them may need to be in the same thread, it just depends. This is another example of a mod using his innate ability to use his power to the best ability (assuming he has such an ability heh) If not merge them, then what then? DELETE?
Tools. Remeber that those things are tools. And tools are not needed all the time. Most of the time, merge is almost never needed to be used. Only time it should be used is if there is cross posting, or something like that. Merging things makes things very confusing.

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I don't think that is the answer either. The topic at hand has seemed to be what threads should be deleted, and which should not. That is why I mentioned merge as an alternative to deleting.
As you said, give threads a chance. A lot of times they may start somewhat different, but will go in a completely different way than one about maybe the same topic. Much like a book. :)

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I can not do it... sadly. It would help me a lot. I have never been able to do it (only to my own posts)

How odd...that privilage is key to being a mod. Very strange that it was removed....

TheFrozenFiend 01-04-2002 02:59 AM

I know it was your opinion and I was giving mine.
I dont think you are right all the time. Hell, No one is.

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Originally posted by konidias
the game masters aren't mastering anything besides sitting around and coming online once a week.
lol

Liante 01-04-2002 03:02 AM

Corrupt police like Torankusu make Graal stupid. He told Loriel that the accounts, "TriPPy_AzN," and "AzN_TriPPy" belonged to him because there was well over 10,000 gralats in it and Loriel actually changed the password for him, and he jails people and kills them inside the jail to take their money.

AlkarenHyralt 01-04-2002 03:04 AM

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Originally posted by konidias


lol yeah.. see this is what needs to stop.. these people that think I'm power hungry for what? NO REASON. I don't want to run Graal, I don't want more power, I don't need more power.. I just want to make Graal as fun as possible. I don't care about being liked or having power, it really doesn't matter.. I could up and leave today and go work on my own things and better with programming but I choose to stay here to help Stefan and make Graal worth playing.

Everyone go check future improvements forum in a moment, I'm going to post the additions that should be added to playerlist options (I even made a layout of it in delphi to show exactly what I mean) :)

That is what I was talking about on the first page, Kon. How players see everything as nothing but a quest for power, which keepes those people who truely want to help from doing just that; helping.

ZanderX 01-04-2002 03:04 AM

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Originally posted by Liante
Corrupt police like Torankusu make Graal stupid. He told Loriel that the accounts, "TriPPy_AzN," and "AzN_TriPPy" belonged to him because there was well over 10,000 gralats in it and Loriel actually changed the password for him, and he jails people and kills them inside the jail to take their money.

Uh.

Those accounts did belong to him.

AlkarenHyralt 01-04-2002 03:05 AM

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Originally posted by Liante
Corrupt police like Torankusu make Graal stupid. He told Loriel that the accounts, "TriPPy_AzN," and "AzN_TriPPy" belonged to him because there was well over 10,000 gralats in it and Loriel actually changed the password for him, and he jails people and kills them inside the jail to take their money.

Psst..Toran hasn't been police for a long time..

SabreKnot 01-04-2002 03:08 AM

Too many pages... cant keep up heh. I read the first few, I guess Ill start at the back few. Anyways, its very late to say this but layers would be cool, or atleast maybe an option that you can change a tile's variable between 1 2 & 3, 1 blocking, 2 not blocking and showing over player, and 3 not blocking and showing underplayer.

Loriel 01-04-2002 03:42 AM

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Originally posted by Liante
..., and he jails people and kills them inside the jail to take their money.
Have you ever been jailed and killed yourself, or just heared that other people have been and stuff?

This corrupt stuff is always the same.
Example: Some guy "steals" a hat in front of Police witness guy. The police guy jails the other guy to get the hat back, but that guy refuses to give it. So the police guy hits him to make him give it back. The guy with the hat goes and makes a thread or a mass pm (after he is unjailed, or uses another account) about the police guy being corrupt, jailing people, and killing them to get money. Everybody just believes it (I know, most of you think "I wouldn't believe stuff like that", but it is like that.), and five minutes later, the guy is hated by 75% of the players online.

SabreKnot 01-04-2002 03:45 AM

Toran is police?
ive never seen him with a tag :/

TekKnight 01-04-2002 03:46 AM

OK. Graal WAS very fun before Graal 2001. Graal 2001 all I do is get bored making money. But the Games are fun! I always enjoy a good spar and game of CS. But for some reason G2K2 seems to be a whole new story. It's more fun because of the newer weapons to spar with. The graphics and gameplay are awesome. I didn't ever expect Graal to go this far. I play this game when it was Zelda Online the Java based game lol. But no one was on so I never played lol. Then I heard about this a few months later. G2K2 if put the right way can be the best ever out of Graal. It is the new beginning. If you make it not the purpose to earn money, but to have Adventures it will be the best! Make it with if you do something different you come out with a different ending! Finding new ways to do something. Adventures is what makes this game great. I get bored majorly when all I do is farm and mine. There is some fun in G2k1 but G2K2 can be the funnest game ever. MAKE IT WHAT IT CAN BE! I bet that was what you were planning anyway but I gotta make sure. =)

SabreKnot 01-04-2002 03:50 AM

make dungeons that contain monsters that drop monies when you kill them and disable a pause button when inside of them, then it will be fun to work :)

Crybos 01-04-2002 03:54 AM

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Originally posted by TekKnight
OK. Graal WAS very fun before Graal 2001. Graal 2001 all I do is get bored making money. But the Games are fun! I always enjoy a good spar and game of CS. But for some reason G2K2 seems to be a whole new story. It's more fun because of the newer weapons to spar with. The graphics and gameplay are awesome. I didn't ever expect Graal to go this far. I play this game when it was Zelda Online the Java based game lol. But no one was on so I never played lol. Then I heard about this a few months later. G2K2 if put the right way can be the best ever out of Graal. It is the new beginning. If you make it not the purpose to earn money, but to have Adventures it will be the best! Make it with if you do something different you come out with a different ending! Finding new ways to do something. Adventures is what makes this game great. I get bored majorly when all I do is farm and mine. There is some fun in G2k1 but G2K2 can be the funnest game ever. MAKE IT WHAT IT CAN BE! I bet that was what you were planning anyway but I gotta make sure. =)
To...Much...to..read... :grrr:
*click*

manton 01-04-2002 03:56 AM

I really think the players are causing alot these problems.
I don't know about the rest of you, but it seems like the players get worse and worse every day.
Maybe I'm just imagining things, but it seemed like almost everyone at the beginning of G2K1 was nice, and weren't brainless. That's not to say that people aren't still that way, but there's not NEARLY as much as there was.
I hope that with G2K2, there will of course be some trading and money, but that there will be other things to do as well. It seems to me that the reason for the "greedyness" is lack of other things to do. I think Fai or someone was talking about a money reset a while back.I was for it then, and I still am.
As for people calling admins corrupt, I think it's because people have totally changed it's meaning. Now, if an admin does something that seems wrong in any way, they are instantly labeled "corrupt".

(Sorry if some of this doesn't make sense. =/ )

Psyker 01-04-2002 03:59 AM

The players here act differently around newbies.

I play on other online games, and people will do anything to help out a newbie.

manton 01-04-2002 04:03 AM

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Originally posted by Psyker
The players here act differently around newbies.

I play on other online games, and people will do anything to help out a newbie.

That too.
When I first started, I would ask for help, and someone would gladdly help.
But now, If someone new asks even just the simplest question, they are hammered with things like, "LOL ghey n00b goaway ***t"

DeathChill 01-04-2002 04:06 AM

Konidias does have some points in his posts but some places he is sort of wrong..You ARE a player with power, power to help players,power to create levels to expand the graal2001 world, power to make NPC's to expand the graal2001 world..You are not someone who is above players...You're a player with the power to build graal2001 even better then it is now..Nothing more.

Spanko 01-04-2002 04:07 AM

Konidas I agree 110% about that. Stefan is making good money buy letting kids make GFX and such. If they were to have a real company they could easly hire people to make GFX.

DeathChill 01-04-2002 04:10 AM

I mean what I said is an opinion so of course opinions differ :O

Crybos 01-04-2002 04:12 AM

Everyone is a Graal player, not matter what. Opening up the Level Editer is playing, Is it not?

Torankusu 01-04-2002 04:12 AM

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Originally posted by Vyse_the_Blue_Rogue


exactly, its the statement that graal is not perfect and that you have an opinion that gets you banned.

Which would somewhat prove your hypothesis.

konidias 01-04-2002 04:14 AM

I think it would be neat for Stefan to make himself a newbie account, and to get on his own game and ask around for help and stuff.. just to see how terrilble some people can be, and how helpful some people are.. and just see WHY they are like that.

Torankusu 01-04-2002 04:15 AM

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Originally posted by Spanko
Konidas I agree 110% about that. Stefan is making good money buy letting kids make GFX and such. If they were to have a real company they could easly hire people to make GFX.
Which is nearly impossible without a capitalist, or you and a group of friends to invest a little while you have people that are willing to volunteer to help; like those 'kids' making graphics.

Torankusu 01-04-2002 04:18 AM

psst,
I wasn't police when I got those accounts back, and even then, I had verification. You can't have your password changed by an account admin, or someone able to, without verifying the e-mail address.

Torankusu 01-04-2002 04:19 AM

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Originally posted by DeathChill
Konidias does have some points in his posts but some places he is sort of wrong..You ARE a player with power, power to help players,power to create levels to expand the graal2001 world, power to make NPC's to expand the graal2001 world..You are not someone who is above players...You're a player with the power to build graal2001 even better then it is now..Nothing more.
thsi s y i thinking ur gr8

DeathChill 01-04-2002 04:19 AM

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Originally posted by konidias
I think it would be neat for Stefan to make himself a newbie account, and to get on his own game and ask around for help and stuff.. just to see how terrilble some people can be, and how helpful some people are.. and just see WHY they are like that.
I'd like to know also actually..I am pretty sure why though...Greed....they want power and why should they help anyone if they don't get anything special for it? I'm prettyy sure that's everyones train of thought who's greedy an mean..Sometimes I give away my money to newbies because I don't use it and hey they don't know how to make it sommind aswell get thems tarted...ut actually newbies start out REALLY nice but then they play graal and kinda get screwed into meaness unforunately.

PlasmaDestroyer 01-04-2002 04:25 AM

Re: Re: What has Graal become?
 
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Originally posted by TheFrozenFiend
This is reply to the first post of the topic.

Paragraph 1: if its been deleted 3 times maybe (just maybe) someone doesnt want it up. You think youd have figured that out by the second time.

Paragraph 2: The only thing thats getting worse if the ammount of players who complain and think they could do better. Stefan doesnt have 24 hours a day to sit down and work on graal so some people who dont even want to pay for the game can have fun with it for 5 minutes before getting bored.

Paragraph 3: This is purely the players fault and no-one else can be blamed for it. The reason guilds are just a tag is because of players. The reason events are ruined is because of players. Youll never stop every player from doing something just because you dont like it. Some people only do it because others dont like it. Theres nothing you can do about it. Dont even bother saying ban people. Youd be getting rid of well over half the players and more will come, and come, and keep coming.

Paragraph 4: Why are there no teams for games? Players. Same things as guilds. Players dont care. After 5 minutes they are sick of it and want something else. If events team put on events people didnt want then people would complain. They just do what players want. Isnt that a good way to go about doing their job? Doing as the players ask? You cant sattisfy everyone. Thats a fact. They do however manage to satisfy a lot of people by doing what the majority want.

Paragraph 5: Players cant be corrupt. They dont have the powers to be corrupt. They can lie, cheat, hack and scam but that doesnt make them corrupt. Some players act like total idiots but if thats what they want to do they can. On graal 2001 I havent realy seen any corrupt staff. Sure, theres staff that wouldnt answer you if you waited an hour and FAQ's that couldnt answer basic questions about the server but thats not corrupt. Its just people being hired who shouldnt be hired. FAQ's shouldnt even need to be hired. Players should help each other. If someone asks me for help Id try answer them. I dont need some tag to do that. I dont need (FAQ) after my name just to help a person who needs help. Unfortunutely thats not the case with most people. In the end it all comes down to the players.

Paragraph 6: This I agree on for the most part. However you could just disable mass messages. Ignore toalls. Stay off graal. Nothing stefan says and nothing unixmad does can change this. This may be repetitive but its all down to the same thing. Players.

Paragraph 7: So what if someone tells you to shut up and die. Big deal. It shouldnt matter to you what some person who youve never met and probably will never meet says. If they have no valid reason for it then its irrelivent.

Paragraph 8: Its personal opinion. Like any game, in fact like every thing, ever created, some people will like it and some wont.
You cant please everyone.

The rest of the paragraphs are just your opinions on certain things about graal so I wont talk about them.

Half of what you said has nothing to do with graal itself but the people who play it.
Just think about that.

And this is coming from the person who hacked Dolphina (According to other people....But I personally think he's acting exactly like Ghost Hacker also... but I may be wrong)

superior888 01-04-2002 04:45 AM

stefan is nothing but a cash thief

Jinx 01-04-2002 04:53 AM

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Originally posted by superior888
stefan is nothing but a cash thief
How? I dont seem to see that. If any of us were in in Stefan's shoe's and had made a game that lots of people play you would want to try and make a little money off it.

Do you think it's totally free to host games like this?

-Jinx

Frank 01-04-2002 05:23 AM

if people would be nicer, guess what. no more need for faq, we are there to be nice and helpful and I enjoy it. even when my tag was removed I still helped, I have the tag to let people know I am there

Metal-Slug 01-04-2002 05:25 AM

Re: What has Graal become?
 
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Originally posted by konidias
Posting this for the FOURTH time.. without anything to do with 2k2 staff or any other reason I can see it would be deleted because of unreleased 2k2 information

Graal is falling apart more and more each day. This is purely my opinion, and I'm nothing I'm saying is FACT or anything.. but please keep in mind what I say, as I'm sure some of you will agree with me.

Back in the days before P2P, playing on Graal was fun. The occasional hacker killing everyone was the only bad part. Besides that, guilds actually had a meaning, instead of just having a tag at the end of your name, you would actually be part of the guild, maybe have a guild area on the map, etc. Sparring was great, now it's nothing.. I used to do nothing but spar back before P2P, and I enjoyed every match. It was fun when you could just go to a spar arena somewhere, and line up with others to fight one on one in unofficial matches. Nowadays no one cares to spar, they just care about money, and if there is a spar event, it's for money, and it's always ruined by people shooting fireballs, etc.

Graal2001 was okay at first, but it has seemed to get worse every day, even though so many new things are added. The changing of bomy pets from their original version actually made them worse then before. Right about when golf came out, the minigame revolution began and we ended up with go-kart racing and football, which barely anyone plays anymore. (whatever happened to racing teams and football teams?) The events team has gotten terrible, they say the reason they hold cs and survivor is because that's what everyone asks for.. well no crap, if they haven't played the other events in so long, they wouldn't remember how fun they were.

The staff got worse, and so did the players, the forums turned into a battlefield (and still are) and are no longer enjoyable to me anymore. When hats were released in limited quantities, that started the money era. Now nearly everyone are greedy backstabbers, and no one cares to do anything but make more money and get more items. When objects and gralat became so desirable, "corruption" started to occur more.. most of it just being accusations of others being corrupt.. sometimes players would call other players corrupt just because the other player had a lot of money.

Now I get on each day, and find nothing at all to do. Everyone is too busy making money and scamming/finding ways to cheat to actually RP or just sit around and talk. Mass messages are a joke, they are nothing but filth, arguements, advertisements, and annoying "support my guild" messages. Toalls are just another form of communicating with others for the sheer point of arguing and fighting, and telling everyone else how much of a loser someone else is.

Nearly all of P2P players do nothing but argue and hate others now. No matter what you post on the forums someone tells you to shut up and die. It's ridiculous and definitely not what I thought my money was paying for.

Not to mention G2k2.. oh boy.. I'm sure a lot of you will say I'm wrong here, but I envisioned something a lot different for the next generation of Graal.. it's seriously disappointing in every single aspect. Stefan doesn't seem to really know what he is doing in the game development area. The graphics in 2k2 are good, I admit, but they do not fit well at all with the characters or terrain. Why doesn't Stefan improve Graal as a whole? He might have made the new 3d terrain stuff, but when the hell is he going to make a better way of layering? Why can't he make tiles that lay over the player sprite? It would decrease the need to use npc images, and the environment would be so much more realistic (walking behind trees and buildings without needing npcs for everything)

Then there is server scripting.. I find it nearly impossible to work with, there are so many little things that would improve the system overall. Why not have variables that save to the npc on the level, and can be read clientside AND serverside? Instead of being able to do simple things like having lights come on outside of a house when you turn lights on inside, it takes using workarounds and npc save variables which are troublesome and not documented well.

He still hasn't improved the playerlist by adding new features such as making your own user groups like the buddies group. I admit I like the new features on the level editor, they help a lot, but the new version of graal has a lot of editor glitches and I get headaches when I load my level and it turns into nothing but the left grass tile. Some of these things just really aggravate me as to why Stefan doesn't see these things and fix them. Even the player profile could be made to look so much better with more options and things, and when will Stefan ever make it so we can put php code or something on a webpage and have our stats show up there?

Then there is the level generator.. wouldn't a level generator program be SO MUCH BETTER then drawing your level in a paint program? Just take a look a this example. Why not have it so players can pick a tile (such as tree, dirt, water, grass) and when they use their mouse on the level, it draws the map out dynamically? It would make the worlds much more realistic and have much more detail with less glitches and people wouldn't think level generated worlds are bad anymore.

There are so many things that could be improved it just boggles my mind.. the more I research and learn about game development, the more things I see about Graal I don't like. Whenever I get skilled enough with programming I will be able to put my visions of a good game into light. In my opinion Stefan has bad taste in graphics and style. You think with all the money they pull in, they could hire a good team of people to work for them doing art and levels and things, and stop hiring kids to work for free, making not so great stuff yet Stefan adds it anyway because he doesn't feel like paying people to do better?

Why doesn't Stefan expand the tileset? Why must we use the same tiles for everything? What if we don't want to "addtiledef"? I want new houses, new trees, new bushes and things.. without having to replace other tiles that people also like. If Cyberjouer is such a professional game company, why doesn't Stefan hire more programmers for the actual game? (not npc scripters I mean delphi/c++ programmers)

{edited out because I can't voice my opinion on 2k2 staff}

I just wish Cyberjouer would become better as a company, and actually care about it's customers needs instead of making what THEY think is best.

I think I will be taking a time off from Graal as a player and as staff unless it shapes up and becomes the game that it should be, which is fun and exciting, not the same thing and boring, with jackass players and corrupt staff.

I know some of you could care less about my opinions and that is fine, who am I to talk about game development? I just want to make a career out of it, but I guess since I didn't make Graal, then I'm not as good as Stefan. I feel so limited working for Graal, in level making, in graphics, in scripting.. it's all limiting.

Oh and for the people that reply to this without reading it all.. please continue going to school, as your mind obviously can't handle reading a page of text.

i'd say admins like you are a good 98% of the problem

Frank 01-04-2002 05:29 AM

Re: Re: What has Graal become?
 
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Originally posted by Metal-Slug


i'd say admins like you are a good 98% of the problem

out of curiosity, what made you come to such a conclusion?


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