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MrDumbledore 10-04-2010 10:56 PM
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Originally Posted by MrOmega (Post 1604181)
server rights or folder rights?
actual rights, e.g. most fonts are copyrighted

MrOmega 10-04-2010 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by MrDumbledore (Post 1604182)
actual rights, e.g. most fonts are copyrighted
Ah, got it, thank you.

jkldogg 10-04-2010 11:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Skyld (Post 1604173)
I added an option in the F3 window earlier for changing the font name and size, are there any problems with it? It's currently not a drop-down box because there's currently no way to reliably get available fonts but that'll come in a future release (except on Mac where it's a drop-down box listing fonts but a lot of them are not yet being read from the system font folder).
Thanks, lol I just noticed it. All you have to do is type in the font. =]

KrimsonSky 10-04-2010 11:46 PM
is it just a coincidence that this has 666 writting on it D:

MrOmega 10-05-2010 02:44 AM
ok, I'm not sure what's going on but now in openGL I'm still geting the issue of the client freezing when changing servers....

Deas_Voice 10-05-2010 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Skyld (Post 1604173)
I added an option in the F3 window earlier for changing the font name and size, are there any problems with it? It's currently not a drop-down box because there's currently no way to reliably get available fonts but that'll come in a future release (except on Mac where it's a drop-down box listing fonts but a lot of them are not yet being read from the system font folder).
could you add a Mute sounds while your at it? :)

Crono 10-05-2010 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by LoneAngelIbesu (Post 1604168)
Yes, I have. My reasons just aren't acceptable to you, because I have the gall to dislike the old external playerlist. :\ It's like a cardinal sin, or something.
^_^?


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Obviously, the guy creating the game doesn't think he's messed it up. External windows are a new, great feature, and it's natural to convert all old external windows to the new, scripted ones, considering those can be modified much more easily.

You probably wouldn't have been so upset if there was already a theme made. But, then again, I didn't say that you should have to make it.
lol? When did I say external windows were a bad thing? They look horrible. The aesthetics are an easy fix. Putting the responsibility on the players to make it look passable is a different story.

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Originally Posted by Tigairius
Currently, PMs cannot be used as acceptable proof on playerworlds because the only way to get PMs is from a screenshot. Screenshots can be altered, and just copy/pasting history to staff can be edited even more easily...

so it's not a matter of being lazy at all. It's a matter of being able to use PMs as proof of harassment or not.
Fair enough.

Out of context reports are going to be a real *****. Time to wise ass on player only then.

Rufus 10-05-2010 07:48 PM
On the topic of a 'report pm' button: You should easily be able to grasp examples of how it can be abused. People will be reporting constantly (our playerbase is nothing like the iPhone playerbase) and things that are out of context like Crono said. Staff or suckups find something funny? Report that for everyone else on RC to see. Someone is complaining about a member of staff and you're trying to cause trouble/joke/suck up? Report that for everyone else on RC to see. There's just tons of ways for it to be abused.

Bell outlined something when the topic was brought up about logging Mass Messages/Private Messages, it applies here, and I completely agree with it:

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Originally Posted by Bell (Post 1514695)
As a GP for years I have to agree to a certain point that many things are too automated but I also have to blame the change in attitude of the playerbase. While screenshots and histories are ok as 'additional evidence.' They should never be used as the sole evidence. They are too often altered or submitted to look like the accused is doing something wrong.

Almost every player now accused of wrongdoing demands to see proof. If you show them proof provided by their accuser they claim its faked and provide their own faked history to contradict it. If you show them a server provided history such as mass message histories its pretty much indisputeable.

However, I do not believe that any actions should be taken by Graal staff over things said in pm's. There is the ignore feature attached to the playerlist and it should always be the first step taken if you don't want to read what someone says to you privately. By blocking them it forces them to start harrassing you publicly which can then be seen by the staff and other players. Hence backing up your story.

This is a public online game. People are going to get into arguments with another person. People are going to get angry enough at times to go off on them in anger or frustration. Half the time they've made up and are buddies again before a GP can even resolve the issue. The rest are usually people that harass everyone and get a history of it and should be banned or jailed. We are not babysitters or protectors of your delicate psyche. If you can't learn to ignore someone and insist on responding back in kind then you shouldn't be complaining. Take responsibility for some of your own actions. Life isn't going to always defend you when things go downhill.
...and this is why she was Playerworld Administrator Administrator :cry:

xAndrewx 10-05-2010 08:12 PM
When we tell players to just ignore them, they just look at you and go to another staff that's actually WANTING to help.

Rufus 10-05-2010 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by xAndrewx (Post 1604309)
When we tell players to just ignore them, they just look at you and go to another staff that's actually WANTING to help.
If staff were consistent in how they dealt with situations, this wouldn't even be an issue. Telling a player to put someone on ignore is not not "wanting" to help either.

WaDaFack 10-05-2010 08:44 PM
1. V6 takes 1.5x - 2x more amount CPU than V5.
2. At the bottom, you it's Severname, not Servernam
3. The playerlist copies itself when you hold+drag. Same for profiles.
4. The profile is a little off-axis? The words cut off; i.e. Favorite Hangout, Favorite Quote, etc.
5. PMs are a seperate window now, that can be a little laggy.
6. If you hold the Windows button on your keyboard, you can't move top right. Don't know if this is just me.
7. ALT freezes the game now?
All I can find for now!

Tigairius 10-05-2010 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by WaDaFack (Post 1604315)
4. The profile is a little off-axis? The words cut off; i.e. Favorite Hangout, Favorite Quote, etc.
This is fixed already for the profiles on login 2. To get the login 2 updates, just go to Login 2 and it'll be added. Just needs to be copied to regular Login.

MrOmega 10-05-2010 09:05 PM
SO what are some reasons as to why my client will randomly freeze/crash? and recording being very buggy (again).

Seeya 10-05-2010 09:17 PM
I use ctrl as my vent key, if i hold control and move, sometimes it'll make me walk straight up/left/right/down and i can't stop for a bit. Pretty annoying, hard to re-enact but it happens constantly.

xAndrewx 10-05-2010 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Rufus (Post 1604310)
If staff were consistent in how they dealt with situations, this wouldn't even be an issue. Telling a player to put someone on ignore is not not "wanting" to help either.
So how would you approach the matter?

DustyPorViva 10-05-2010 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by xAndrewx (Post 1604336)
So how would you approach the matter?
Consistent support actions.
http://i55.tinypic.com/11qk4d3.jpg

fowlplay4 10-05-2010 11:01 PM
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Graal needs a button, or a page that players will be able to find when they need support for the game.

The site was actually updated and removed the support option but clicking Help still sends you to http://support.graalonline.com/kingdoms/support/ which still points you in the direction of a non-existant supportdesk but support.graalonline.com should re-direct to contact page anyway though. Props for that change.

I have to give this information to players who need global help, if they can't find the information on the website.

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For account specific support (Forgot password, etc.):

[email protected]

For general server support (Server-specific bans, etc.):

[email protected]

Graal Contacts can be found here:

http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...cement.php?f=4
A Support button could be easily added to the Start Taskbar, and could pop up that information in a GUI.

PepperTheCat 10-05-2010 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by fowlplay4 (Post 1604358)
A Support button could be easily added to the Start Taskbar, and could pop up that information in a GUI.
I agree, it's a major problem. When Chris Vimes was manager of Era he used to have a page at support.graalcenter.org that listed contact info and helped with common problems (e.g. sound not working). Some form of support really needs to be added to the task bar or the server list.

xAndrewx 10-05-2010 11:30 PM
Yeah, Era has a support center too which is fab.

Dnegel 10-06-2010 12:08 AM
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Originally Posted by PepperTheCat (Post 1604361)
I agree, it's a major problem. When Chris Vimes was manager of Era he used to have a page at support.graalcenter.org that listed contact info and helped with common problems (e.g. sound not working). Some form of support really needs to be added to the task bar or the server list.
Who are you?
http://oi35.tinypic.com/2emz8n6.jpg

Crono 10-06-2010 12:47 AM
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Originally Posted by PepperTheCat (Post 1604361)
I agree, it's a major problem. When Chris Vimes was manager of Era he used to have a page at support.graalcenter.org that listed contact info and helped with common problems (e.g. sound not working). Some form of support really needs to be added to the task bar or the server list.
speaking in third person like a boss i see

jkldogg 10-06-2010 01:17 AM
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Originally Posted by fowlplay4 (Post 1604358)
stuff
Love the attached pic. =]

lol @ you saying lol
lol @ useless

Haha. ^^

Herb_P2P 10-06-2010 03:40 AM
Ya im sticking to v5

jkldogg 10-06-2010 03:43 AM
v6 is a lot better for windows 7 64bit, but it uses a lot of CPU at times

xAndrewx 10-06-2010 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Crono (Post 1604403)
speaking in third person like a boss i see
Haha- how'd you know it's him? :p

jkldogg 10-06-2010 09:32 PM
bug:

on era, if you're updating, installing, or uninstalling a program era will freeze/crash

Tigairius 10-06-2010 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Herb_P2P (Post 1604428)
Ya im sticking to v5
Not sure if you realize, but comments like this actually don't improve the client. Keep in mind, switching to v6 won't always be a choice, and it will be forced eventually.

fowlplay4 10-06-2010 11:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Tigairius (Post 1604555)
Not sure if you realize, but comments like this actually don't improve the client. Keep in mind, switching to v6 won't always be a choice, and it will be forced eventually.
Another important thing to consider is that the client is a ****ing beta client. Yes I did have to that much emphasis into it.

jkldogg 10-07-2010 12:05 AM
bug:

when double clicking the graal icon in the tray menu, PM doesn't open like in v5 :[

Jiroxys7 10-07-2010 01:25 AM
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Originally Posted by jkldogg (Post 1604587)
bug:

when double clicking the graal icon in the tray menu, PM doesn't open like in v5 :[
post it here
http://forums.graalonline.com/forums....php?p=1604560

Crono 10-07-2010 01:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Tigairius (Post 1604555)
Not sure if you realize, but comments like this actually don't improve the client. Keep in mind, switching to v6 won't always be a choice, and it will be forced eventually.
Would be nice to announce this open beta on the popular servers and get each one to setup a survey. Most people don't care for these forums so the majority of the players won't be heard. Might even be easier because of the vast amount of people who will try it and give their input. They are the target users anyway. :3

Zideruic 10-10-2010 06:45 AM
Only problem I've had so far is my UDP has to be checked now. I'm 100% positive ports are forwarded AND im the DMZ host on my router....so idk why it would do that.

Rufus 10-10-2010 06:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Zideruic (Post 1605281)
Only problem I've had so far is my UDP has to be checked now. I'm 100% positive ports are forwarded AND im the DMZ host on my router....so idk why it would do that.
I get the same issue.

Zideruic 10-10-2010 06:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Rufus (Post 1605282)
I get the same issue.
Sting claims my udp issues have to do with v6 "messing with my hacks". Yeah, that's it.

Crono 10-10-2010 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Zideruic (Post 1605283)
Sting claims my udp issues have to do with v6 "messing with my hacks". Yeah, that's it.
lmao

Crono 10-13-2010 10:38 PM
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i think we're misunderstood...when we say font we dont literally mean the font style. v5 and v6 both have tempus sans and size 24 (apparently anyway) yet v6 is still miles harder to read.

example...

Mace_P2P 10-15-2010 10:14 PM
Is there a way to setup an xbox360 controller with v6?:confused:

Fulg0reSama 10-15-2010 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Mace_P2P (Post 1606521)
Is there a way to setup an xbox360 controller with v6?:confused:
You can do it with v5 :confused:

cyan3 10-16-2010 12:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Mace_P2P (Post 1606521)
Is there a way to setup an xbox360 controller with v6?:confused:
I've setup my playstation 3 controller on V5 before and it isn't even an official controller for PC use.

Hiro 10-16-2010 12:12 AM
integrate a port checker into graal's program so we know whether or not UDP is going to work


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