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shrimps 01-08-2009 10:15 PM

I only have 30/30/27 and I pk all the time, frankly 30/30 is easy to get.

lordbosh 01-08-2009 11:22 PM

If you wish for a reset you must consider completing parts of the game that are otherwise undeveloped.


First, you have a game called GRAAL KINGDOMS. The end game content, I would assume, should focus on the kingdoms themselves. A kingdom warfare system and things like this. We lack the basic kingdom war system and that is what began the collapse of the server originally (for the limited few left on these forums who were here that far back/can remember it and are not senile!).

Second, you will need a way to regain certain items and ensure the game isn't going to be flooded with crap again like it was. With the current ring buying almost pointless (spending 100k plat nets you 0 RoS, RoC, or RoW on average and the equivilent magical rings as well) the only thing I see needed here is to fill in possible exploit and bug holes in the system.

After that, combat needs a bit more looking over. This knock back thing is annoying for poison to do. And it makes fighting rather ridiculous. I'd say limiting this to hammers,clubs, and assorted large blunt objects would be best.

And then you have a problem of Bmode. Nobody uses it usually and will hide on pmode now, how about after a reset? If you set a 1-24 hour timer on bmode/pmode switch that may help.

If these changes were made, I would honestly support a reset of the server. If you lose everyone that plays right now you lose a maximum of ~30 p2p accounts. In exchange you can gain many more, when I started playing we had 150 players online average.

kia345 01-08-2009 11:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gothika (Post 1455605)
Would you reset the hard drive on your Playstation 3 or X-Box 360?... I didn't think so.

This is the greatest argument in this thread, and it's not even 50 lines of text.

OasaTor_PK 01-09-2009 01:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gothika (Post 1455605)
Would you reset the hard drive on your Playstation 3 or X-Box 360?... I didn't think so.

The games on my xbox and ps3 arent broken and boring and being ruled by 3 players.

Your arguement is flawed.

Draenin 01-09-2009 01:53 AM

This idea always has and will be shot down. It was foolish to post in the first place. Enjoy your fail.

MajinDragon 01-09-2009 02:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OasaTor_PK (Post 1455618)
Leave a gold version of GK for all the retards to play on who thinks they are good at something for having items and make a classic version where everyone is having fun once again.

gg problem solved, all the retards will stay on gold version all the peopl ewho wanna hav fun will go classi

Ludicrous suggestion. Have two products, exactly the same, different name, one for free/minimal price, the other for a higher price... Need i say more?

Btw, i'm amazed at how you think all classic players aren't retarded, as for the last 5-6years i've been playing, i've witnessed acts i thought only possible by disturbed individuals. And that was some of them at their best.

Note: Apart from Malians, we were the cream :p

Quote:

Originally Posted by OasaTor_PK (Post 1455667)
The games on my xbox and ps3 arent broken and boring and being ruled by 3 players.

Your arguement is flawed.

GK is ruled by which three? :noob:

FenixTheBanished 01-09-2009 03:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MajinDragon (Post 1455676)
GK is ruled by which three? :noob:

Plasma, Shrimps, and Me of course. fattie.:noob:

Vincent3313 01-09-2009 03:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FenixTheBanished (Post 1455710)
Plasma, Shrimps, and Me of course. fattie.:noob:

Hmm Tig doesn't count?

SuperCornGuy 01-09-2009 04:23 AM

This thread = fail. It's taken me 2 years to get as far as I am, and by this time, I should be more powerful, but I'm not. It's horrible to see all the work you've done on something and see it just go away.

CABAL49 01-09-2009 04:32 AM

I have been in support of a server reset for the past three or four years.

Vulgar 01-09-2009 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MajinDragon (Post 1455676)
Ludicrous suggestion. Have two products, exactly the same, different name, one for free/minimal price, the other for a higher price... Need i say more?

Btw, i'm amazed at how you think all classic players aren't retarded, as for the last 5-6years i've been playing, i've witnessed acts i thought only possible by disturbed individuals. And that was some of them at their best.

Note: Apart from Malians, we were the cream :p



GK is ruled by which three? :noob:

I'd rather play with 60 retards than 20 pricks.

DustyPorViva 01-09-2009 09:01 AM

I don't think classic status is the 'end all' answer to GK people imagine. Look at G2k1, it barely made it after it went Classic.

Elk 01-09-2009 10:46 AM

I wish there was a reset
All people that USD'd are against it, cause they'd spent money into something that won't exist any longer
I support this with all I can!

kia345 01-09-2009 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elk (Post 1455746)
I wish there was a reset
All people that USD'd are against it, cause they'd spent money into something that won't exist any longer
I support this with all I can!

And what about the people who actually worked for what they have? You can't pay for 110.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vulgar (Post 1455741)
I'd rather play with 60 retards than 20 pricks.

If you consider GK's current 'community' 20 pricks, I'm sure most of us would rather the people we have now as opposed to 60 people who populate a top tier classic tab server.

Ravenblade1979 01-09-2009 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elk (Post 1455746)
I wish there was a reset
All people that USD'd are against it, cause they'd spent money into something that won't exist any longer
I support this with all I can!

Thats like saying that any descendant from Hitlers bloodline is totally wacko in the head. It just don't work that way.

A lot of people have worked for their items and a reset would piss them off. Hell John alone has worked endless hours levelling himself in phys and wis. I should know I heard about it a lot.

And frankly I think usders would just buy what they want again after a brief wait so people get good stuff again.

DustyPorViva 01-09-2009 04:54 PM

People should never spend all that time on something with the mindset that they'll get to keep it forever.

cyan3 01-09-2009 04:55 PM

People buy items on Zodiac for USD now so I don't see how this would change anything.

Drakeero 01-09-2009 05:39 PM

We pay money to be "allowed" to play a game and enjoy it in ways we want to enjoy it as long as we don't interfere [within reason] with other people enjoying the game. I pay money to play GK and my playing style is a packrat. I love to collect stuff and not just valuable stuff. Anyone who's seen the inside of my houses usually is never the same again. You're right, I probably can't keep this stuff forever. My money says that my precious pile of pixels doesn't disappear. I'm willing to bet that John's money says his precious string of pixelated numbers doesn't disappear either.

My packratting and hoarding doesn't really hurt anyone. It might make it harder to get certain things, but A: I have played for a long time [and I'm not even near the oldest], B: I worked hard and made good friends, and C: that's the point of rare and hard to obtain items. If its really too much of a problem, see my suggestion earlier in the thread.

John's power levelling doesn't really hurt anyone [other then maybe himself] unless you want to complain about him kicking you in the face for 5x more damage then you can do with a prepped weapon. He's not an insane pk'er who runs around killing as many people as he can for the hell of it.

A lot of people have worked hard legitimately for where they are. The bug-abusers are slowly leaving with time. I believe the others when they say that a server reset could cause more problem then it would fix [if any at all]. I'm just going to have to trust Tig to know what he's doing [or at least figure out with trial and error if he doesn't] and to fix it for everyone, just not a bunch of whiners.


[Also, for the record, I love Zodiac's method of quick leveling up to 60. It's a unique factor of that game and having more then half of the server "maxed out" isn't a bad thing for Zodiac. But Zodiac =/= GK. GK has its own style and its own dynamics. So try not to judge one by another.]

Clockwork 01-09-2009 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xXziroXx (Post 1455602)
People like you that only have personal reasons not to reset is what makes this idea look good, since you only care about personal gain.



No, it would be rather horrible. First of all, GK going Classic isn't going to happen because it would make CJ lose money, and they need the little they're able to call profit to stay interested in keeping Graal online. Secondly, a reset is ONLY showing poor lack of judgment from the management because it never ever fixes anything, usually the opposite. Weak minded people chose that solution since it shows fastest result, but it's only temporary.



Barely anyone playing actively nowadays even knows what the party glitch was. I've earned my items fair and square through hard work the past months, and anyone else can do the same. Just because you lack the dedication for it, doesn't mean changing it is for the better. Grow some balls or play another server.



Yes, of course they'd like to play on a newly reset server for free if they get a chance to become a top player within a week and bring their crappy retard unintelligent egoistical childish attitudes with them.


"crappy retard unintelligent egoistical childish attitudes" is exactly what you are showing when you post things like these without any points. I think the only point you made was that CJ needs the money from gold GK, and I would agree, but seeing how there would be more people willing to pay and play it as a classic server, I'm pretty wure it would have a greater profit.

"I've earned my items fair and square through hard work the past months"

Good for you!!! Did anyone ask about you're items, or is that just what's on your mind? A lot of items in the game have been usd'd and hoarded and lost because of players stashing it and never returning, only to have lost thier house along w/ the items.

"Just because you lack the dedication for it, doesn't mean changing it is for the better. Grow some balls or play another server."

Personal attacks show just how hypoctical you are of your own personality. You know nothing about how much I know of GK, or my past dedication towards it. ;)

DustyPorViva 01-09-2009 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drakeero (Post 1455770)
We pay money to be "allowed" to play a game and enjoy it in ways we want to enjoy it as long as we don't interfere [within reason] with other people enjoying the game. I pay money to play GK and my playing style is a packrat. I love to collect stuff and not just valuable stuff. Anyone who's seen the inside of my houses usually is never the same again. You're right, I probably can't keep this stuff forever. My money says that my precious pile of pixels doesn't disappear. I'm willing to bet that John's money says his precious string of pixelated numbers doesn't disappear either.

Reset or not... eventually that stuff is going to disappear. GK could fall and eventually just disappear(like G2k1 did). There could be a reset. There could be a major technical problem and all progress and back-ups could be lost. Graal will eventually close as I don't see it lasting forever. However, this could be in 5 years, next year, in a month. Who knows. The point, however, is that stuff is not forever and people just shouldn't expect that. Ya, it absolutely sucks if any of those things happen, but it's bound to happen anyways.

CABAL49 01-09-2009 06:51 PM

I know I am not the only person to have been reset.

MajinDragon 01-09-2009 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FenixTheBanished (Post 1455710)
Plasma, Shrimps, and Me of course. fattie.:noob:

Talk about an inflated and ignorant mind.
Explain to me how you three rule GK, neither of you affect me in the slightest. And i don't think anything would happen if you three decided to call it quits or go on holiday.

You, bless ogma+9, i guess there's some dependance there, but... doesn't Essence also? :noob:
Plasma: Indifferent: Have no care for him at all, i don't really know why he gets mentioned alot.
And Shrimps, aside from EC hoarding, there's nothing else he does to affect GK let alone rule it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elk (Post 1455746)
I wish there was a reset
All people that USD'd are against it, cause they'd spent money into something that won't exist any longer
I support this with all I can!

I never USD'd, i'm against it. Because people who play fair, and use so many hours on a server, shouldn't have to deal with a reset. It won't happen anyway. So support it all you want, you're like BNP in an election.

Quote:

Originally Posted by cyan3 (Post 1455769)
People buy items on Zodiac for USD now so I don't see how this would change anything.

Why would you buy zodiac crap for usd? From when i used to play, from hosted till the second reset, you could just pwn all the mobs at max level (50) and get what you want within a week, either by spawning it, or using the loot to trade.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drakeero (Post 1455770)
We pay money to be "allowed" to play a game and enjoy it in ways we want to enjoy it as long as we don't interfere [within reason] with other people enjoying the game. I pay money to play GK and my playing style is a packrat. I love to collect stuff and not just valuable stuff. Anyone who's seen the inside of my houses usually is never the same again. You're right, I probably can't keep this stuff forever. My money says that my precious pile of pixels doesn't disappear. I'm willing to bet that John's money says his precious string of pixelated numbers doesn't disappear either.

My packratting and hoarding doesn't really hurt anyone. It might make it harder to get certain things, but A: I have played for a long time [and I'm not even near the oldest], B: I worked hard and made good friends, and C: that's the point of rare and hard to obtain items. If its really too much of a problem, see my suggestion earlier in the thread.

John's power levelling doesn't really hurt anyone [other then maybe himself] unless you want to complain about him kicking you in the face for 5x more damage then you can do with a prepped weapon. He's not an insane pk'er who runs around killing as many people as he can for the hell of it.

A lot of people have worked hard legitimately for where they are. The bug-abusers are slowly leaving with time. I believe the others when they say that a server reset could cause more problem then it would fix [if any at all]. I'm just going to have to trust Tig to know what he's doing [or at least figure out with trial and error if he doesn't] and to fix it for everyone, just not a bunch of whiners.


[Also, for the record, I love Zodiac's method of quick leveling up to 60. It's a unique factor of that game and having more then half of the server "maxed out" isn't a bad thing for Zodiac. But Zodiac =/= GK. GK has its own style and its own dynamics. So try not to judge one by another.]

You make alot of sense...

Quote:

Originally Posted by CABAL49 (Post 1455778)
I know I am not the only person to have been reset.

*Brings out the cleanex tissues*:noob:

Vulgar 01-09-2009 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kia345 (Post 1455757)
And what about the people who actually worked for what they have? You can't pay for 110.



If you consider GK's current 'community' 20 pricks, I'm sure most of us would rather the people we have now as opposed to 60 people who populate a top tier classic tab server.

Half the people on kingdoms are stuck up, I'm not saying everyone is but the majority of them are.

Elk 01-09-2009 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979 (Post 1455766)
Thats like saying that any descendant from Hitlers bloodline is totally wacko in the head. It just don't work that way.

A lot of people have worked for their items and a reset would piss them off. Hell John alone has worked endless hours levelling himself in phys and wis. I should know I heard about it a lot.

And frankly I think usders would just buy what they want again after a brief wait so people get good stuff again.

Hitler wasn't a bad man

FenixTheBanished 01-09-2009 08:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clockwork (Post 1455771)
"crappy retard unintelligent egoistical childish attitudes" is exactly what you are showing when you post things like these without any points. I think the only point you made was that CJ needs the money from gold GK, and I would agree, but seeing how there would be more people willing to pay and play it as a classic server, I'm pretty wure it would have a greater profit.

"I've earned my items fair and square through hard work the past months"

Good for you!!! Did anyone ask about you're items, or is that just what's on your mind? A lot of items in the game have been usd'd and hoarded and lost because of players stashing it and never returning, only to have lost thier house along w/ the items.

"Just because you lack the dedication for it, doesn't mean changing it is for the better. Grow some balls or play another server."

Personal attacks show just how hypoctical you are of your own personality. You know nothing about how much I know of GK, or my past dedication towards it. ;)

Clockwork, seriously, who the hell do you think you are? You have people who have played GRAAL alone since 1999 or earlier in this thread and GK from its beginning days. Who the hell are you to sit here and try to tell us, the people who have played for 4-6+ years that you know more than us? Seriously, take your uninformed arguments that have no logic or facts to back them up over to the Classic server section of the forums. And clearly your attack on what Drakeero said mirrors the same thing that you just said: "
Personal attacks show just how hypoctical you are of your own personality."

Thanks:noob:

Ravenblade1979 01-09-2009 09:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FenixTheBanished (Post 1455789)
Clockwork, seriously, who the hell do you think you are? You have people who have played GRAAL alone since 1999 or earlier in this thread and GK from its beginning days. Who the hell are you to sit here and try to tell us, the people who have played for 4-6+ years that you know more than us? Seriously, take your uninformed arguments that have no logic or facts to back them up over to the Classic server section of the forums. And clearly your attack on what Drakeero said mirrors the same thing that you just said: "
Personal attacks show just how hypoctical you are of your own personality."

Thanks:noob:

QFT

He's just mad because he refuses to work for anything good. Wants to take the easy way out.

FenixTheBanished 01-09-2009 11:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979 (Post 1455794)
QFT

He's just mad because he refuses to work for anything good. Wants to take the easy way out.

what does QFT mean? =o

kia345 01-10-2009 12:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vulgar (Post 1455783)
Half the people on kingdoms are stuck up, I'm not saying everyone is but the majority of them are.

I'd rather 'stuck up' people that I can have a conversation with than people I can't talk to for 10 minutes without fear of my own intelligence slipping.

Quote:

Originally Posted by FenixTheBanished (Post 1455840)
what does QFT mean? =o

Quoted for truth

Clockwork 01-10-2009 06:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FenixTheBanished (Post 1455789)
Clockwork, seriously, who the hell do you think you are? You have people who have played GRAAL alone since 1999 or earlier in this thread and GK from its beginning days. Who the hell are you to sit here and try to tell us, the people who have played for 4-6+ years that you know more than us? Seriously, take your uninformed arguments that have no logic or facts to back them up over to the Classic server section of the forums. And clearly your attack on what Drakeero said mirrors the same thing that you just said: "
Personal attacks show just how hypoctical you are of your own personality."

Thanks:noob:

:P I played GK when it first came out to Gold when I was a trial, and played it more when I became p2p.

Just as well, how did my arguments have no logic or facts?

I never said I wasn't childish, ever. :3

Thanks:noob:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979 (Post 1455794)
QFT

He's just mad because he refuses to work for anything good. Wants to take the easy way out.

D: I have a few good things, I eventaully quit because I saw no real point in playing a game where all I would do is kill lords and such all day and run maps.

Googi 01-10-2009 06:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clockwork (Post 1455771)
"crappy retard unintelligent egoistical childish attitudes" is exactly what you are showing when you post things like these without any points. I think the only point you made was that CJ needs the money from gold GK, and I would agree, but seeing how there would be more people willing to pay and play it as a classic server, I'm pretty wure it would have a greater profit.

You're talking like the old subscription system is still in place. There's only one subscription now. The only thing making the server classic would do is allow those still around with classic subscriptions to play without paying.

MajinDragon 01-10-2009 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clockwork (Post 1455891)
D: I have a few good things, I eventaully quit because I saw no real point in playing a game where all I would do is kill lords and such all day and run maps.

You never learned to play... x_x


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