We shouldn't really be discussing this but let's just say it's not bad.

ANYWAYS YA VISTA GRAAL SUX ON IT WHO CAREZ ABUT VISTA NYWAYZ RITE????

89 Euro here (since you can buy OEM version without hardware in Germany the price is easy to detect :D ) I have heard in the US it is a few percent less, but I wouldn't consider it cheap.

I'm getting all four versions of Vista (and some other software) legally for free but I probably still won't install any of them.

Dibbs

Correction, I heard theres already a file someones made that redirects the detection system elsewhere and auto-FUs the Anti Piracy system. :3

but overall, **** Vista, XP FTW comrades. =p

XP was awful. I would prefer Windows 2000 over XP anyday.

Missed the [/sarcasm]'s :X

Don't put words in my mouth, NO, they are legal copies. Even the price of Vista has dropped in my state.

Why? I was on Windows 2000 for ages and just couldn't stand not having some of the XP features like the way folders are shown and such.

Windows 2000 was much more stable, the interface felt much more sharper and responsive, I prefer the way things were set out and I found it much easier to set up and use.

I don't recall there being any folder views that weren't in Windows 2000. There were even icon previews. The only thing that I liked about XP was the image preview window which was light and fast, but there's an equivalent program with Microsoft Office 2003 which solved that problem, too.

Asking a question is not putting words in your mouth !pissed!

The two are equally stable in my opinion.

XP has that "Windows Picture and Fax Viewer", folder thumbnails (if I recall correctly) looked aweful on Windows 2000, when trying to AIM someone a picture, you couldnt get thumbnail view on 2000 last I remembered, and I just like the overall look of XP better than the old 2000.

I only said that legal copies of Vista are not cheap. Any URL of a shop that sells it for cheap?

Devil, mate - I know it's out of context but don't turn yourself into an Excalibur. We all know what happened to him. You're a good guy just turn down the mildly accusative posts a little.

http://www.iconnect.com.au/shop/Micr...FQF-TAodIHqKEg

They've taken 16% off of Ultimate already.. I got it for alot cheaper than this, and it is a real copy, registered to my name.

It's not cheap though?

I don't even know that website, it's the first one I found.

You could always rely on Vista users in the community if Cyberjouers really can't afford $159 home premium...

Home premium OEM (comparable to XP Home, which, keep in mind, is over 5 years old) - $120
XP Home OEM - $90
Home Basic OEM - $85

People often say Vista is very expensive, but they always use the Ultimate version to justify themselves.
Microsoft is overcharging Europe, though.

Nothing compared to Sony though :D PS3 for 600 euro which is around 800$ while it costs around 330 euro in Japan

We have "Ultimate"
I was just arguing against Devil saying that "vista is cheap as hell" when in fact it isn't (from the price), and Vista is not really recommended for gamers right now (in my point of view). A lot of people have reported graphical problems, although they don't happen to me even with the basic default drivers for Nvidia cards.
Windows is not a system where you code a program and it will work everywhere, you basicly need to debug it everywhere.

~$1050 here :[

I thought this initially but I haven't really had any issues with Vista for games aside from the tile issues and random crashes with Graal. The only problem I've had are with games that have GameGuard. GameGuard made it so Vista couldn't access its license information so it kept telling me my license was no longer valid with a reason of: Access denied.

We have it worse in Sweden...

6 490 SEK here, which converts to about...

700 euro
932 us dollars

This is the 60GB model.

AUD $999, to USD 793.584, $595.875 EUR

lol

I still wouldn't buy one, however I wouldn't want this thread to mutate into a console battle thread.

Hehe, Skyld, don't improperly shut your PC down. ^^ ( Unless if you got a recovery disk, or something. :3 )

Anyway, XP > Vista...at least until some decent programs come out for it...other then productivity crap.

Productivity? I find it very hard to be productive when every action I make is assaulted by UAC's Cancel/Allow dialogs.

Grow a brain and disable it.

I still use XP. If the security features have to be disabled for me to do anything, then why bother upgrading?

So you haven't even used Vista properly?

Come back when you have an experienced opinion on it.

You only get UAC dialogs when something requires administrative privileges, meaning when you're changing some settings in the control panel, installing new programs, and some isolated instances where a regular program needs admin privileges. You see the most UAC dialogs when you are first setting everything up after installing the OS. I haven't disabled anything and it doesn't get in my way. It's basically sudo with a GUI.

The main problem with that dialog is probably that in Vista many things that were formerly ok for non-administrators now require administrator rights (e.g. installing programs in the program folder or on C: ), so if you are used to those things it can really get annoying. The "sudo" thing is required less often on Unixes.

There are a few things in Vista which are quite interesting because it makes Windows look less outdated, e.g. you can install gfx drivers without restarting the computer, although the automatic update still requires you to restart the computer, it is trying to wait with that until you shutdown your computer anyway though. The compatbility issues with software and hardware are a problem though, normally people don't expect an OS update to support less software and hardware.

Are you using 97.46 or something else?

but stefan.. you will need to do something one time.. now the computers are selling with windows vista already installed on it.
i tried to install xp on it but i cant add sound codec graphic card etc..
so i reinstalled vista. i have no choice to wait for you to fix it.
i dont care about gfx. i just want to play without crash when i open a pm or crash for nothing.me too i hate vista but i can't do nothing. soon (in few years) alot of computer will have windows vista. be Prepared. ;)

p.s i know it is not easy. :(

You best care about GFX because thats the only thing thats allowing you to visually interpret whats going on.

nah not really. im only Co Manager Auctioner on unholy nation
all i need it's to pm. for hiring etc..
anyway... for unholy nation i dont really need gfx... :\ >_<

My college actually sells Vista Home Premium (for students only of course) $89.95 usd, not including tax. I found that to be a really good deal.

Oh, and I just found out, all uni students in Australia can now buy Office '07 or whatever it is, for 75 dollars!

:)

The edumacation discounts are always pretty wicked. Only things better are MSDN subscriptions which are super expensive but give you 10 licenses to like, everything microsoft - and getting complimentary copies of software right from the man himself (Booyah).

Got free vista ultimate full edition for helping them test the upgrade feature (only one who managed to bluescreen the installer - rofl), and free office 07 pro for going to their "ready for a new day" vista/office launch event ;D