I'm pretty sure rippers have the same spread as appirces, if not more. They deal more damage, and shoot twice as fast.

Appripers: Shoots a total of 2 bullets.
Appirces: Shoots a total of 4 bulelts.

Am I correct?

Appirces Variance: 25 Degrees
Apripper Variance: 20 Degrees

Appirces Damage: 9 per bullet
Apripper Damage: 20 per bullet

So appirces in total do 36.
And aprippers in total do 40.

That variance doesn't do it justice. The actual bullet spread you SEE says much more. Aprippers almost go straight. Appirces create a shield of bullets.

-_-... Hense my white text lol. All I'm saying, is that just because something isn't mentioned for a month, and is then brought up, still doesn't mean its right.

Now you see, I can aim better with ApRippers then I can Appirces. I think that the two close shots is much easier to use then Appirces 4 wide shots, as generally they go through people. But not everyone sees that the same way as I do. So from my perspective, thats another way that ApRippers are better. ApRippers a perfect 3 over Appirces. Better strength, accuracy, and speed.

You missed my point I think... He said you suck if you can't beat a ApRipper vs Event Weapon. So theres nothing wrong with losing to a ApRipper.

Try saying that in a far range battle...

Ok...
In a long range battle I like ApRippers. I don't fight long range, ApRipper or Appirces can't reach to long, I get close...

For me, Close range= Rippers, Long range = appirces. Though I try not to use either very often. And yeah, I like to fight long range, not close range.

My close range pwns you. Nobody ever fights me close up though :frown:

All in all no weapon can be lame since it is open to everybody's use, am I correct? :D

Don't bring that up again, please...

No, aprippers are lame whenever anyone uses them.

Same could be said about appirces. :rolleyes:

I said that exact same thing about a year ago...

ANY weapon can be lame... It depends on how its used and who uses it.

Hey, everyone has their own oponions, but if you said the same thing a year ago why are you asking for appripers to be changed?

poeple change opinions change stefans favorite vidoe game and type of piza changes. The world changes dude so obvioulsy they have risen to a point he thinks its a bigger deal and his opinion changed.

If somebody with no skills at all uses appirces they suck, if the exact same person with no skill uses aprippers they could win.

Pooper said this well, opinions change.

Lets just get back to topic. The Majority says change apprippers, they might be changed if Stefan feels they need to be changed.

Yeah so with CTF released, aprippers need to be changed.

I said they didn't because scout was only available on GWARS and Spar. On Gwars they make no difference in the turns of battle because mechs walk all over them. In spars well, its a spar.

But apripper + ctf = doesn't work. Remove apripper from scout or weaken them. The delay isn't the problem here, it's the power + speed on a small map like CTF. How the hell are you gonna capture the flag when theres someone equally fast using an apripper?

find a noobie Teammate and haev them shoot h Rippers person then the Rippers dude goes afer noobie=Score (unless u got like 5 ppls using it on ya)

@Crono -> pirces dont always create a shield of bullets. Only like 60 % of the time you use it.

Topic -> if you nerf rippers, nerf event weapons, too.

No, thats like taking a bag of meow mix away from a kitty who just earned it. Not all kitties get meow mix, only the good ones. Meaning, not all kitties get meow mix, you can't take it away from the ones who earn it.

Zone players today are not the same as the ones that played the CTF from the ORIGINAL zone. Back then it was teamwork, today it's trying to spar in the middle and inviso-proxy mining the entire base.

Kills CTF.

Aprippers fire too fast for close-quarters combat if you can't return fire. Crono ftw.

But on a side note, CTF is more popular than Iricia now. And also more fun. But less well designed. Fix. D:

CTF is well designed and also one of the oldest maps. It was on the original Zone (Angel/Dell's).

CTF has a garbage design... 3/4 of the map you don't need to walk in at ALL. It needs to be smaller, and get rid of all the useless space.

I sorta agree. It has way to many trees/deadends. The trees aren't that bothersome. NEither are the dead ends. I kinda that that it just needs like a fun little tweak like a 3rd team is adde when you havre more players like koth im not sure.

Yeah, third team sounds good, I'm not sure how it would work, but sounds good. Put it somewhere where theres all that wasted open space.

Upper right no ones there really!! Or they coud make a giant chicken leg at the top that the team can come out of and the chicken leg extends for like 5 screens? Yes I know thats not a good idea but they should make a world about food itd just be funnny! oh and howd we get to tlaking about this on an apripper thread?

CTF was the main map of old zone. So if you didn't want to play and hangout (like you elites used to do between base 3 and 4) you'd go up there rather than being in the way. It makes sense.

Do you even know the routes? Half of the map is definitely used.

I use most of the map all the time. Especially when I play as the red team, darkclaw union, because there's so many back ways you can take without getting attacked or seen

but they could get rid of some of the trees. Trees=Lots=Lag

Agreed. Trees don't "lag" but rather freeze Graal for some time.

I freeze a lot there

well, right, but they cause levels to take a helluva time to load when going in between them on gmap.

the threads about aprippers speed. close the thread, the people are way off topic.

Wrong. He wants rippers changed now because of CTF's level design. =On topic.

...i started the thread. it was started long before ctf was realeased -_- dont try to get all *****y with me fool. learn what your talkin about damn...im gettin tired of all you fools...this is why im only on games for like 10 minutes...cause ya'll piss me off...get outside damn...go meet some people...ya'll just ***** all the time...your last post was about how the map takes a hella long time to load. that has nothin to do with the thread I started so the thread should be closed. you dont like it? o well. get over it. its a game.