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Lol, yea and dont you know Starcraft is based off of the 80's era? hehe

I thought that the arguement was weather graphic or scripts were better. Both are really equal, I'm sick of agrueing with you all you do is call me an idioit and tell me my replys are so bad that you wont even take the time to reply. Well screw it, I'm done with it you can argue with someone else just leave me the hell out of it your like a broken record.

Didn't I already explain that I intended to do so?

Dont act stupid you know what I ment! You said you dident intend to agrue with me becasue you think I'm a *****. I'm getting sick of you bashing me, your the mod you tell people not to insult others yet you have called me an idiot many many times... Before you tell people to abide by the rules maybe you should first. But no I shouldent of said that because now your gonna make up some lame reason and get away with it and call me an idiot again. You know I used to look up to you sort of. When ever I would think of someone who was really smart and what would they do I dident think of albert no I thought of you Kaimetsu. But I was wrong to do so.

I believe he's already expressed to you that these 'insults' are non-intentional. You're misinterpreting them.

But apparently the reverse is not true. I told you that I don't want to argue with you, and I meant it. Why are you still talking to me?

Actually, why are you still talking to him? It's obvious that every reply you give to him he's either going to get offended or he's going to backlash. It's not going anywhere.

Graphics people++;
Scripting monkeys--;

Kaimetsu, i'm not here to offend you or anything, but please.. what the hell is this? Give us a break, you're saying that scripters are more intelligent than artists?

Well you're wrong, you sure are intelligent but please, you did not get so smart out of coding, people can just stick up the commands up thier asses and remember them, you can't remember where to put a pixel or what color to use, you THINK of what you do, while some scripters just know the commands that are in thier brains.


And leave Donald alone, you're coldhearted, and i don't care if i get flamed or hated by people who look and suck up to you or think the otherwise as my thoughts.

Sure, flame me, this forums is a rot hole anyways, nothing intresting, just seeing hatred, insulting, corrupt moderation and alot more.

Donald is not a idiot, you can stop calling him it, why don't you take the 10 minutes required to speak with him like a human and not like a robot? Just because he isn't typeing good here or anything don't mean he's illiterate(sp?).


By the way, i think every second i draw my images, thank you very much.

Yes, of course they are.

You think that's all scripting is? You think the difference between you and I is merely that I know more commands?

Happily, when he starts to leave me alone.

That's a bad thing?

He'll have my respect and my courtesy when he earns it. But, that aside, I've already stopped calling him an idiot.



Just explaining the situation to him. Note that I'm not writing essays here, it's not using up much of my time.

Ok, you people seem to be out in a circle, first off, you can't compare artists with coders, seeing they use each their part of the brain, coders use thier logical, and artisit uses their creative.
There is no way to compare those 2 with each other seeing they don't do anything near to each other, yes, maybe coders are smarter, but so? An artist is much more creative, which he is gonna use in HIS job of developing, so what if a coder is smarter? He is a coder BECAUSE he is smarter ._.

But of course, you have to learn something to do good graphics, but you have to learn something just to do scripting, so scripting is for an untalented far harder than graphics are for a untrained artist...

So in short, coders is smarter, but HEY! they get paid for that!
And the same way with artists, they are more creative then normal persons, and they actaully make a living of that.

-The End-

Logically.

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That's a bad thing?

It depends on who you're talking to. Some people are more reactive to logical truths then other people, especially when those logical truths evolve around a abominable situation.

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Just explaining the situation to him. Note that I'm not writing essays here, it's not using up much of my time.

That's irrelevant to my point. It's best to ignore him altogether to avoid further conflict.

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That quote is ignorant and stupid, we use our other part of the brain, and you use your part, why does that make scripters smarter than us?

Logic = Smart.

Just a quick question. When and how did Tyrial get involved in this? ;[

I don't know why he did, either, since his jumping into the debate is possibly going to make things worse. I'm not trying to get offensive, but you people are making a fool out of Graphics Artists.

Everyone is a fool, this is the Graal forums have you forgotten?

I tried deleting this thread but it is too late.

Graphics are only the skin of the project, under the skin is what makes it all work and come together(scripting).

Those who judge games solely on their graphics are ignorant to good gameplay. Sure, good graphics make the game better, but they only make it better.

I think graphic artists and scripters are equal. :X l34ve me out of this y0

They are equal, but not directly. If you're assuming on the terms of a different basis, as such like a development team, then they both are equally essential.

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Everyone is a fool, this is the Graal forums have you forgotten?

This statement is ludicrously obvious.

Donno, just bored and yeah.. i wanted to stand up to gfx peepz including myself and donald + the rest (deek, kinatt).



Okay im gone bai

1) Ours involves logic more than yours, which is a facet of intelligence.
2) As well as using a different side of our brain, we're also generally more intelligent. Wanna settle this? Name your champions. I nominate myself, Giltwist and Tyhm. Find three artists with a greater combined intelligence and you can take the cake.

Obviously some scripters are idiots. The same applies equally to artists.

Indeed, but that was before the hostilities.

Only in your simplistic, deluded view of the world :)

Haha, okay, that's fine by me ^_^



I don't want to turn this into a sub-topic of the debate, but cold-hearted people aren't bound to any particular conversational style. They can be cutting and merciless if they want, or they can be as peaceful as any nice guy. Morals restrict, they never enable.

I don't mean to be a nitpick or anything, but didn't you say before that all artists are idiots? And now you're saying that only some are idiots? You can't be a hypocrite. There's going to be an idiot in any hobby or interest no matter what.

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I don't want to turn this into a sub-topic of the debate, but cold-hearted people aren't bound to any particular conversational style. They can be cutting and merciless if they want, or they can be as peaceful as any nice guy. Morals restrict, they never enable.

I wasn't exactly directing to the cold-hearted, but usually people who are more logical than others who think away from the general crowd on a rather touchy subject are going to be wrongfully labelled 'cold-hearted' just because of what they are thinking (like you in the WW2 debate). In this case, if that's so, then what they say is going to be most likely true. Yes, cold-hearted people don't have to talk on only one controversial level, but that's not why they are called 'cold-hearted'.

No, you just took my statement too literally.

With the possible exception of stuff like quantum physics etc :-p

Fair enough, I agree. Being cold-hearted isn't a handicap, but expressing controversial, cold-hearted viewpoints can cause conflicts.

Well, I didn't know what to think. You jumped from one assumption to another. I didn't notice that you weren't being precise.

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With the possible exception of stuff like quantum physics etc :-p

*shrug*
I understand quantum physics pretty well, as well as it's mathematical computations, and I act like an idiot all the time. What I was trying to compare to was only the general hobbies that the joe public would go into, not anything like the complex sciences. Because in complex sciences, you can't act like an idiot. You have yo use your brain, or else you're going to make mistakes in your work, and that could possibly lead to some rather behemothic problems (one way or another) later on.

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Fair enough, I agree. Being cold-hearted isn't a handicap, but expressing controversial, cold-hearted viewpoints can cause conflicts.

Yes. The other way around is just poor assumptions.

WHY DONALD SHIMODA, WHY?!!

WHY CANT YOU JUST SAY GRAPHICS. YOU DONT MAKE GRAPHIC. YOU MAKE GRAPHICS. OMIGODWMKERWF

That was a nice change from the useless argument. :p

Yeah I thought so too. ;)

But I actually do find it really annoying that he doesn't say graphics. he says graphic. :( It angers the gods.

Or did you?








What?

Yes.








Because.

OKAY well I came in really late, but here are my comments on all this ****

Taking things personally----
First, Kinatt (I think it was kinatt?), when he said that that artists dont think and you took it personally, why? Don't jump to conclusions here and start complaining about how I don't like artists - I am one myself. Before he said that I heard a whole lot of pointless stupid and sensless comments. Alot of people on graal are dumbasses :whatever:

The IQ test----
Programming (or scripting) takes alot of problem solving and, as was said, just plain logic. Yes, you do have to memorize alot of commands, but it goes further than that. After that you need to know how to APPLY it. If you can honestly say that programming takes less intelligence (or equal) than drawing/pixeling/graphic work (yes, graphic with no "S" :D lol), then...well see the last sentence of the last paragraph -_-

Graphics vs Programming (...again, or scripting)
I don't find it hard to admit, YES scripts build the world. Also, YES having great is both, but scripts are more essential. People at first glance would go for the one with better graphics. Once they see it has nothing to actually do though they might switch to the next though (unless they use the game as just a chat room, then a nice environment is better). Use the graphics to draw people in, use the scripts to keep them.

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Did you just now realize this?

Ha!

right

of course not

If somebody makes a ridiculous statement like 'all artists are stupid', it's safe to assume that they're exaggerating.

Yeah, I was just being pedantic :-p

Something like that isn't easily seen, especially with text messages. It's hard to strip messages of their emotional qualities and expect to know what the typist is trying to portray behind those messages.