It's 30 minutes until Friday, gangs are at roughly 300 points... Must I say anything about how pathetic that is?

I told you so.

I pretty much knew this would happen. I have yet to see a permanent fix to gangs, it seems like we just need to mix things up once a week. The thing is, these new fresh ideas have an expiration date. And these projects do take time, it's just unforchinate. That being said, didn't you say you had some great ideas, Godzilla?

i quit and im still not replaced GG

Draft system plz. Atleast then everyone feels competitive again even if its a short time. Plus everyone gets involved not just good players. Every time ive ever been in a gang it's countless pm's of can i join? and they get told to talk to this person, then the next, and the next, and they get denied and don't even get a chance to participate. Sure EP was a good idea in theory, but all they can do is get the feel of what it's like to be in a gang but with no leadership and no chance in hell of ever winning. Also the biggest issue is raids will get called when one team knows they don't stand a chance, and it goes dead again. I think your pk always on idea could get tied into gangs in a good way especially if implemented with the draft system. Anyone in a gang has pk on everywhere at all times. That way even if a raid stops people will still be chasing eachother around to try to get points.


We also need some sort of solution to gmap running, maybe a speed decrease if strafing backwards to people cant just run the map strafing backwards and win. Or hell even a stamina system when in combat where movement drains it slowly similar to the tempest/crizen. Once stamina starts depleting you slowly lose speed. Being "in combat" would start when you tag another player or another player tags you.

the draft system was supposed to happen but tim got messages from players complaining about not being able to play with their friends

To solve the problem of people not being able to play with their friends, you could introduce a "package deal" system in the draft system.

People would be able to sign up for the draft as a group, and if one of them got picked, the leader that picked them's next turns would automatically go to picking the rest of the package (not all at once, just like normal, one pick per turn). To keep it fair, the other people in the package would still have to be able to be picked by other leaders, but they'll be guaranteed to get in the same gang if no one else picks them before the auto package picks.

I would probably just go with a maximum group size of 3. Who has more than three friends anyway? :P

remember when gangs were good?

Not really :[

I remember people always complaining pretty much.

Before we had gang points, before you had a tally of you gang kills / deaths, before these "gang guns", before we had a member limit, before we had 12 bases with gang buffs, before we posted gang stats like it was the graal bible, and most importantly gangs were good in the era of Gamecubes and PS2's when we were 11-15 years old

It's ironic that things have gotten worse and not better as incentives were added. If anything people just run and lame even more now. And I've said it a million times, the elevator in BH needs a damn pk timer for raids to actually work without one side feeling cheated. You have the honorable side just trying to raid, and the other one that uses a hit and run strategy and runs back to the heavily lamed elevator at low hp.

Honestly it's not really that hard to get a working gang system. Currently, from what I've been told, the system right now is the worst it's ever been, and really there's just been steps taken backwards to ensure that it gets worse. The people who are making the calls for the gangs are either players that never really took part in gangs, or players that are too busy outside of graal to want to deal with them.

The current gang system is more or less just a guild management system. I don't think it's ever been more than that either. It's always been up to the players themselves to fill the void. I'm open to suggestions on how we can improve it, but you guys are just going to get bored of it the following week.

everyones back to school now the player count averages 40-60 people and 10-20 are idle for days

Revert to gangs being made by players, have a surcharge that is deposited until the gang is actually made (50k, none of this 200k crap like last time), the gang admin should only accept gangs that have been made by worth-while players. Give the existing gangs to whoever, let them pick new names, introduce new gangs from the people who have applied to have one added.

Start making systems for gangs to take part in;

scrims (automated gang events that give you half a point, 5 players need to be willing to accept the scrim request from each gang invited)

robberies; gangs rob businesses for utilities inside the business (this can have a limit weekly of how many times businesses can be robbed, this can also work as a tax system for owning a business)

Top Gang member for each gang gets 5 EC, ontop of the 5 if they win and the MVP coin if they win top 3 of all time, maybe even give the top 3 of the week an unlimited ammo ontop of the MVP they get.

change gang guns accordingly, they shouldn't be low tier 3 to mid tier 3 items, but instead be mid tier 2 to high tier 2.

there is so much you could do but why are you doing it? shouldn't we be speaking to seth? and seth proposing our ideas across? why do we have someone in this position that has let it rot to the point that other staff are now getting involved in the development of gangs...

Koho for GA

I logged on and loled so hard at the gangs... That is so embarrasing!!

Why is seth still GBA infact, why is amsel still manager if he lets rookies make systems 50 times worse...... he fails to see the flaws in seth..

Remove them both.. Gangs are the heart of era and look at them.. What a joke of a management team and server.

RIP

to be fair, graal in general is down. era still averages the highest player count among pc exclusive servers. delteria is #1 (but it has iphone and pc players on it).