In my opinion I believe PR's to play a prime role on Era. If I work on the development team, why would I lookup logs if I'm here to develop? :confused: (That's getting back to the previous point from a page earlier)

PR's deal with the small problems and help/lead on larger player related problems/issues Admins and Development staff might not have time for or want to deal with. (Note: most (if not all) current admins are developers)

That only happens on doors if I remember correctly.

I thought it was trees and bullets too.

They don't really to be honest. Usually what happens is they are told to do the dirty work while you guys talk away on RC and fiddle with your thumbs. You guys don't develop 24/7, let's not act like you do. I know a lot of developers who don't do much at all. That have time to do PR roles. It's simple, scrap the PR role and give the developers PR rights. Hire some kiddies with the FAQ and they can direct the problems to an admin, or support system. Not hard.

You are here to develop but as an admin, i'm pretty sure it's your duty to do other roles. If you can't accept doing that, then i wouldn't have you on my team. And don't come back with 'Oh then we wouldn't have any dev team because they wouldn't do it' We all know you guys will clean the floors with a toothbrush to keep your RC and rights.

I'm not 100% sure, I know it had to do with people deleting files to make them invisible to walk through doors or trees. At the moment though, I don't think it makes a difference since most things on Era have a set shape even without the image.

Good luck with that buddy. :noob:

I don't need any luck, pretty sure era needs all the luck in the world right now. I haven't seen a successful management team in place yet. The most unprofessional server i have ever witnessed. Half the management is against each other Lol Nothing will ever be run correctly until yourselves (PWA) put constant pressure on them to make sure things are running as professional as can be.

The amount of abusing, abuse, and corruption within the management is horrendous. The only way this server has a future if the PWA get on regularly and make sure they stay in line and make sure their projects are being finished (correctly).

But hey, that's another rant.

I would just like to point out that when I am online, I am always working on something.

REP ++ @ Kohola

U wot...

The new gang doors are annoying, and don't work. There's more bugs now than usable functionality. Would've been best just re-adding the AG-Lock buff somewhere. But if you insist; things to fix:

-Opening the door as it is destroyed causes it to never re-spawn... ever. (Difficult to do, or replicate.. but I got it to happen on 2 different doors)
-The Heal thing is silly, I'd rather be able to break the door as intended than run up and grab it to sit there reloading. Beyond this, it doesn't even work. I smacked a door until my chat (lol chat checks) said 1000 health earlier; a player then shot it one time, 980.. after a second of waiting it 'healed' itself back to 350.
-Some doors, like elevator or the 'cage' doors blocking strategic locations were never meant to be able to grab-open. Easily abused.

Your spar is/has been blocked off, the fact that you have a command there to ":fix" something is pretty bad... dunno the deal with this though.

TTS still needs to be refined, could always start with that. It's laggy with all the conflicting npcs, still gets bugged (another ":reset" command of sorts), and isn't the proper arena size.

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As far as disagreeing with Koho goes, I love it. Though I have to point out that half the administration, or even the whole thing? (cept Blue) is a bunch of players who failed to be Managers already. A bunch of people who didn't get anything done are teamed up to do nothing; and you wonder why nothing gets done.
This is the equivalent to continuously making Reese a PR. He has never opened a single log in his life, nor logged in for more than an hour a week since 2009 (when he lost GRC), yet he has been removed and rehired over 4? 5? times in that span.

If u don't add any spice to the same old food it gets boring after awhile.

+1

these threads always turn into a GOP vs DEM debate.
get me some cheaper gun skins kthx

What is GOP vs. DEM?

politics. the gop vs democrats aka repubs vs democrats type of stuff.

Let it out koho:cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry:

After re-reading the posts I thought I would address this; How are they going to know? How are the players going to know that you're doing more than your job? When I was a PR under RayMan's shenanigans I was completely aware of all development and helping wherever possible and even he didn't know I was multi-tasking my PR work with other work. I mean, unless you run around unstick me saying; "Hey I just recolored all the guns for you guys so have fun with them" players really won't know that you did it but I guess that's what people love now-a-days, recognition of what they have done, attention.

I mean, I was cycling in and out hats at the SR shop and the only people who knew were the management and high admins. I was getting gani's made for projects that we could use as quests and only management and high admins knew, I multi-tasked my PR work with other work and within a few months of being a PR, active every day and doing everything I could do I was rewarded with PRA.

It pays to help wherever you can help, especially if you have something to prove but that doesn't mean you need player recognition for it, the self reward and reward of thankfulness from the development and management was more than enough to keep me interested in everything I did.

Era has no specific forum moderators because of ever-changing management, and the fact that someone highup (maybe unix?) said only managers could be mods.
The global forum mods sometimes have their hands full. While Era has the highest concentration of people needing moderation, every server probably has a few. Lump them all together on one unified forum..mmm.
I should remind you (as I myself was reminded) that each post has a report function and w/e


Pretty much this, I suppose. PRs are there to interface with players and deal with non-development related issues.
As for the players complaining about deletion/reinsertion of staff positions: It's not really up to you how management delegates the server's workload.
Disclaimer: Yes, I'm a PR. Yes, my opinions are subjective. So are yours. Sweet jesus ping me for something else at least.
1. We consistently beat every single other server for playercount. Once in a while, we hold more players than all other servers on the main page combined.
2/3 You wouldn't know, and I personally disagree. Having been through quite a few managements, I can honestly say that our team is pretty great comparatively.
4. Because you do not have login.txt log access I wouldn't expect you to know, but PWAs do check up regularly in-game, and (I assume) speak with administrators outside of it -- perhaps Stephen's response earlier in this thread is some indicator. If we were mucking up in their opinion, don't you think something would be done? mmm.

Until the day I die, I will never understand what's up w/Reese. At this point he must be hmm-hmming unixmad himself.

Neither humility nor consistency seem to be your strong suits.


Man isn't this fun I feel like Wil

Jumping on the forum and posting your opinion whilst it contradicts others doesn't mean you're right but again, prime example of someone who is big-headed and see's them self above others proving that all of the statements in other threads about Staff being the very cause for the servers long demise.

We could sit here and argue but you're wrong so I won't bother wasting more time.

I'll bet a small amount of money that you will. Maybe not today, maybe not a week from now, maybe not directly, but yes.

Especially if I imply this about you!: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning...3Kruger_effect
Maybe this is me and I DON'T KNOW ohgod.
cmon you can't just leave that unchallenged, look at you.

What about this
"Argumentum ad hominem – the evasion of the actual topic by directing the attack at your opponent."

please I could wikipedia all day
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRdLJ6e7j_0
This one prob gets me in trouble, sorry mods

Haaaaaah. Pretty much this. I'M PUMPED.

I like how much it bothers you guys when I post on forums. It's kind of funny to be honest. These forums are no better than the unofficial these days. Just a bunch of banned/has been players voicing their opinions that nobody really even cares about. Have fun with that.

Waiting for a Ove Glove skin design set plz ty asdf

Do you realize what you say most of the time, Scoper? You are staff so of course you will do and say anything to defend that. You are seriously telling me that the management team on era is run professionally and everyone sticks to the rules? You seriously telling me that projects are all lined up and being worked on in order and released when they are 100% working? Your staff team is a joke regardless of the playercount. We both know this.

Also just because a PWA logs onto era doesn't mean they are asking about projects and asking to show what you guys have been doing. They don't do that, which they should.

Also, 2. 'I wouldn't know that'... Why wouldn't i know that? I talk to them and they talk about each other, so don't tell me what i know and don't know.

Just because i don't have login.txt means that i am wrong? I am 100% right and you know i am to. When was the last time you seen a PWA come online and ask whats been going on and being asked to show what you guys came up with? Pretty sure it hasn't happened.

You're clearly missing the point.

Hahahahaha igotuamirite

I don't know if you're aware, but the expectations you have outlined do not happen anywhere -- they are idealistic as well as unrealistic, especially if you consider the fact that not a single person is paid to provide services to you, the player.
Nobody's perfect. I'm not perfect. Blue and rogue are in fact perfect. But damn man, we try.

It's hard to take your opinions seriously when you have no grasp of proper grammar. I'm not claiming to be a saint here myself, but..
Anyway, this does happen. I'm not allowed to copy RClogs (lest I be yelled at, banned, w/e), so you'll have to take my word for it. Or not. Probably not.

Sometimes when I'm bored or not at home (no RC amirite) I come on here to post what I consider to be valid opinions; this generally leads to a shift where I just continue to post, because those points have not been addressed, for fun.
Hello pot, I'm kettle, and maaaan are we black.

At this point I'm looking forward to an entire page of Reply to deleted post. Give it a day or three

I'm not even paying attention to my grammar Lol Why do you care so much about that? You should worry about your own grammar before you take a dig at someone else's. :confused:

You give me a sore head man. No point getting into a debate with you because you go away and think about what your going to say next even though you are wrong. That's the type of guy you are. Never wrong, always right. Headache material you are.

You're both stubborn. Staff does abuse (nowhere close to when vimes and moondeath and mysticaldragon were here but whatever). Players expect a lot (because some of them pay huehue)

If you volunteer for a job, I think it's a bullshit excuse to say "I don't get paid so don't expect me to do what I volunteered for" Let me go to some cancer fundraiser and yell at everyone who's trying to pay the foundation because I volunteered and they expect SO much of me. Graal isn't a charity though so I get why people are sour for doing a job that isn't a 1 time (maybe 10 time) thing.

That being said, the people you're volunteering for shouldn't expect more than what you've volunteered to do. In a system like this initiative needs to be taken from the volunteer in order for anything to get done. Without initiative we would have to "hire" (beg for volunteers then scrutinize their 'applications' because elitism viva era server dominado) someone for everything needed to be done. That's why there are 'positions' with qualified people that can do x, y, and z, and learn to do a-x. PRs should be the first people to learn or take the initiative to learn the **** like skins and other stuff, but I see how some would be skeptical.

tl;dr stop complaining about PRs not doing enough it's not your business really. stop complaining that you're not getting paid, you volunteered.

:blush:

You said i'm stubborn but give no reasons? Smh.

Booger, kid. You are the biggest cry baby i have ever witnessed on era. Pretty sure you where the one crying about PR's everyday you where online and a lot of staff can back this up. Stop contradicting yourself you absolute fool.

How is it not our business that a PR is not helping us out in a game we pay to play? I don't even know why i waste my time. Community is full of idiots i swear.

It does not matter what i say or others. You guys will go away and think of something else to come back and say, vicious circle....

Staff is always right, players always wrong. bla bla bla. Just proving how much of a failure management team you are debating it.

Any other professional run staff team would give replies like.

'Sorry to hear that, i will leave it in the feedback section' You know, professional replies? But instead you lot have to get into a debate about it and go to the extremes of jailing people etc when you could just reply with one simple message.

You lot need to take a look at how other teams run their servers/games. You are a laughing stock the lot of yous.

You can all hate on me as much as you want after this message, i don't give a f uck. Sort your management out and start doing **** right or let somebody people run the server who can do it right.

You lot are all worried about politics and what rights you have instead of worrying about developing and working as a team to fix this server.

Joke of a team.

Okay sorry that I wasn't clear.
I said you were both stubborn because scoper is counterarguing and you're just saying that he's covering his ass with the vicious circle. Whatevs guess you're not stubborn if that makes you happy.

About me complaining, uh sure.
I never said it wasn't your business the PR wasn't helping you. If they're not helping you then they're not doing their job. I was trying to say that we should just let the staff team figure out if PRs should make more gun skins or not since it's not exactly what they volunteered for.

Well sorry, i'm probably being aggressive when i don't need to be.

You just can't win when it comes to these guys. Never wrong, always right.

Yeah Era staff mentality in that aspect is ****. I know of calls that have been made that were wrong and instead of unjailing/banning/etc the player and giving an apology they just go loloops and do nothing.

I don't think I'll ever make a gunskin. I'd like to, but I can't gfx. and I'd like to learn, but art isn't a talent of mine and I've had limited success with getting better.
If it helps keep you calm, I've picked up scripting to be able to make things. So yay, more content from the PRs everyone seems to be demanding more from.
However, I wouldn't expect other people to do this (nor should it be required of myself). I do it only because I choose to (outside interest in programming so this helps me down the road mayb kthx)

I would put forth that the 'never wrong, always right' quote you've now adopted (me too! yay!) kind of goes both ways. You believe you are right, and that will not forseeably change despite arguments I or anyone else make. As I have mentioned before, the only user I've seen with the humility to admit when they're wrong is Frankie. God bless Frankie amirite.

Decisions over bans and jailes and shenanigans are subjective, there's some I don't agree with too. Owell.

I don't like how calm this has gotten what do I need to say to stir things up again

Since we're quite offtopic (lolsurprise)

I propose a new off-topic topic:
Free condoms with morning newspapers. Good or bad idea?

Just so people know; I stated that you SHOULD do more than your required job if you CAN (personal choice) not that they have to, was mainly a suggestion for the (current) PR Team and proof to back up as to why (The possible rewards from taking initiative to do more than your required tasks)

back on topic; make more unique skins and post them on this thread (as I can't see them in-game) I would love to see what crazy **** you guys come up with (kitty guns from rogue, rainbow water gun looking **** from fiber etc)

People still read the paper?