Liking Origin, HAH, good one jerret.

10/10

How about except that Graal's content of gameplay is so subpar, a game like ROTMD (I believe it's very good, don't start spitting fire everyone) can be far superior to Graal, which has this working for it:

1. Creative freedoms of making your own world, game, whatever (Something that Minecraft is beloved for, obviously cant commit copyright infringement and other legal no-nos) Which is a lot to say as a game for sandbox style enjoyment.

2. Ability to create WHATEVER KIND OF GAME YOU WANT, meaning, you have the potential to appeal to all kinds of players, Want shooters? We got that covered, Want an RTS? We could have that ready to go with effort, Want to play a card game? ****, Classic has Triple Triad from FF8, we could have UNO and many other addictive card games in a lil while, Want a RP game? Valikorlia obviously is able to provide a sorts to this craving, Want an RPG? Well, dependant on the RPG style, if you want an MMORPG, I guess Zodiac can cover you, want a traditional RPG? Classic has you covered, Want seriously... ANYTHING ELSE? Just make it. It's obviously not as easy as speaking it, but its not impossible.

Yet somehow, ROTMD which is a mmo bullet-hell RPG, will win against Graal as it is right now 99/100 times, will succeed over Graal, that 1 time is in a bizzaro universe where Graal actually succeeded on its own and didn't need steam in the first place, also Stefan is king of the universe and (You get where I'm heading with this)

tl;dr: Graal has no chance for Steam because its content is incapable of satisfying people, let alone actually passing the voting process.
I was actually more or less saying what I said because you were saying that linkrulz4's points were invalid. But I will say that yes, the game could easily live between more then one platform, if anything it's obviously better, but I'm speaking strictly on Steam with Graal and why Graal is that trashy girl that Steam's friend's (community) would say "Dude, she's so the wrong for you, dude, she has tried to get with every dude around here, she even tried to get me, man!" at this time.

One more thing to say,
My question is this to those who are hard-set on Graal with Steam: If this was something ready to happen, how will we make it ready for the show? Because Greenlight for players is a shooting gallery for the observers, they can shoot and knock it 1100 different ways if they want to, which on its own is a negative for any game potentially going up to greenlight, how would we sell the idea to people and make them want it? how would we make it happen? Because I can say without a doubt that it wouldn't work because our content isn't up to par at this time.

I don't want to deny that Graal lacks a certain level of quality for Steam. It still makes a nice goal, though. Shoot for Steam. It might eventually end up there.

Graal doesn't need Steam. It needs to run side by side with the iServers. It would be one of the few multiplayer games you can play on multiple platforms.

It'd be pretty darn cool. Problem is we've all been saying it since there were rumours of iGraal... we can keep saying it but it won't make a difference until Stefan or Unixmad weigh in on the topic.

It's already possible through v6 and it is how staff log on the two iServers. iClassic has its iDevice and PC spar statistics seperated, ripe and ready for the picking.

Yea, I've tried it before when iClassic first came out - works flawlessly. There has to be a reason it hasn't been released, makes me curious...

I'd like to point out that using v5 or v6 doesn't matter in order to logon the iOS servers. I've used both for Era iPhone multiple times.

I've said this in some other thread, but the main reason iOS was originally separated was because it used a different account system, which isn't the case anymore.

It actually does matter, since iOS is a modified version of v6. The reason is simple though, keep everyone running the same version, v6. It makes scripting easier and I don't have to make multiple versions just to support v5.

To the average player though, they don't care.

WoW and Guild Wars 2 just got released on steam! so awesome! why isnt graal on steam?!

v6 needs to become a stable release that everyone is forced to use.

No, it really doesn't matter. I've played iEra on multiple occasions using v5, and so far I haven't encountered a single bug with it.

Hi, maybe you didn't actually read what I said, let me spell it out for you. Development wise we want to keep everyone on the same version. Makes coding scripts easier since everyones going to see the same thing.

Which is why I partially agree with you, but I no longer care why you guys use v5, so as a developer, I'm not gonna waste my time supporting it. So if I was in any place to say "Yes, let's allow everyone on iServers." The answer would be no, because I'd have to waste my time debugging just to figure out why you're having a v5 issue..

Short Version: Waste of my time.

Needs to become better before everyone is forced to use it.

Hi, I spend my days thinking I'm cool on an internet community where I've accomplished absolutely nothing too!

Oh wait, no, that's just you.

I know the differences between v5 and v6 development wise just as good as anyone else, seeing how I made an entire server from scratch and had to script it for both versions.

Get off your not-as-high-as-you-think horse already.

I am not on some high horse, it makes more sense for everyone to be using the same version of Graal. Ignorance is bliss.


Thanks, Crono. Pretty much what I meant by "stable".

Stability is not the same thing as aesthetics or functionality.

The only issue that's a major problem is the FPS, which I've only seen happen on one of my PC's. That needs to be fixed if there's going to be a forced release.

Just going to assume you're talking about the player list, get used to that I suppose, I really don't think they'll be making any changes to it.

Playerlist, profiles, the way new Windows are opened, fonts, etc. FP4 compiled a cute list somewhere but I'd have to dig it up to find it.

Playerlist, and profiles seem fine to me? Do you just not like the change?

Another glitch would be highlight and leaving the window with your mouse, but that works okay for me since I'm on a Mac..

I never really got the whole "down with V6 hu-ra-ra" stuff. It IS different from V5 in a lot of ways, but not all of them are bad. There are a few frustrating kinks but nothing that would prevent V6 from being a viable replacement. What's the big problem?

:confused:

The only real problem is the playerlist difference. v6 is overall so much nicer though, that I'm willing to overlook that.

Texting highlighting being broken, playerlist not opening when the client is maximized and various quirks like that makes using v6 a painful experience imo.

The text highlighting and PM windows not staying centered (tiled PMs ftl) is both very annoying, but I find that V6 just runs better than V5... I don't use the fullscreen mode so I can't really comment on that.

That's more of a personal preference than a problem. I doubt that it will be changed.

Highlighting is broken, yes, not on Mac though. Not sure why, but that would be why I forgot about it. Uhm, as for the playerlist, I haven't ever experienced that issue, I always have my playerlist and Graal window in the same spot (probably why).

I didn't really find much of a performance difference between v5 and v6 so I'm not really forced to pick one for better performance. Also the maximize thing means if I minimize Graal to my taskbar when I open the window back up the playerlist remains hidden until I also bring it back up. It's fairly annoying for someone like me who is constantly changing windows.

It's funny that I hear that so much, but it doesn't change the fact that it is sorely broken on Windows.

Yeah, always funny how the operating system most players use is the one that's broken.

The playerlist not sticking to the main window when minimizing/restoring Graal and the text highlighting issue are, in my opinion and from a player's view, the only things that need to be fixed before an actual release. Besides that, v6 is working quite fine.

Uh, yeah? Me along with others who don't want to use v6. I've never been a fan of Graal's inbuilt Windows, so changing the old ones just worsens it. I'm aware you can pick themes but that's just dodging the issue.

Font, playerlist/profile/pm Windows, etc. Windows open in awkward places, not sure how to describe it.

You do realize this won't change, right?

Ah yes, I had that problem on windows too. On another note, Graal does a few awesome things on Mac OS, it's pretty nice. ^^

It's the change from v5 to v6 that the majority of players complain about, so it should be significant enough to be looked into.

To be honest, you guys are going to complain no matter what happens. Which only means your complaint will be taken seriously close to never.


Pretty much, I suggest just getting used to it, I hated v6 at first, now after using it for almost a year, I'm very used to it and actually prefer it.

If only there weren't an entire thread where many people posted countless bugs and quirks that they desired to be fixed to make v6 more accessible to them... It's as if people DO care to try to get v6 out but are largely ignored...

Yes, I do realize that. I also realize the fonts will stay screwed.

hello!

as it has been over 12 months since this thread was created can someone tell me if there has been any updates on graal being accessible through steam?

I don't think it's gonna happen anytime soon man. Sorry.

youtube or NO balls

You can add games that aren't on the Steam store to your steam library. Just press:
Games>Add a Non-Steam Game to My Library

The whole idea of iOS servers being accessable via Steam seems pretty cool. I don't see too many MMOs on Steam, and adding Graal will certainly boost the playercount a bit. It would be a good thing to consider, if Graal ever manages to pass the greenlight and pays the fees.

All-in-all, I don't see it happening, but hey, Graal made it to Android, why not Steam?