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scriptless 07-04-2012 04:02 PM

This is interesting, when I first suggested a poll thread I actually thought Ducati had done her research and that more of the N-Pulse existing community would be wanting iPhone. Not that iPhone would have more votes but that the gap would be much less severe. Like a 9 to 10 vote. not a landslide 3 to 16.. even with ducati's 7 (not all favoring iPhone) 10 to 16.. and im not even counting my 2 that dont have forum access..

but please do post another thead on the iphone forum under the n-pulse section? it does exist right? iPeople know what n-pulse is? right? otherwise N-Pulse as a server to them, would be no different then a from-scratch server..

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Originally Posted by xXziroXx (Post 1698927)
More along the lines of not being able to be bothered to search for it. >_<

Actually it can be quite difficult to locate posts that are year's old. They get removed from the forum's with the exception of being able to locate them in searches. Like N-Pulse's forums, you see 2 threads. But you can veiw older ones.

On several occassions both Tig and Stefan have said they want to do similar to how iPhone works and offer a cash shop. Some servers already have it, but since theres not many I don't think they can exactly move on. Once I locate the sources I would gladly show you guys. But we all know how Stafan and Unixmad are. Even if they gave a release date it would be much longer wait then they say =/ but thats not just them thats about every major company.


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Originally Posted by Ducati_Link (Post 1698922)
1. I DONT TALK ALL IN CAPS! IT'S NOT MY STYLE.

2. I'm actually not to sure what you're talking about.


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Also, 20 players vs 500+ players? I mean Classic is an amazing server, Thor and team have done well with it. When we do the PC version, I really would like to make it simple, but in depth like that.. it's what I miss about graal. I realise there is going to be restrictions on a iPhone version, but we have worked the iPhone version to it's advantages, as we would the PC version.

What I am saying is for the iPhone Classic and iPhone Era to be hitting the number of player they are, you know the 500+ you keep drooling over they have 2 platforms. Facebook, and iPhone. And on the iPhone they have 2 app's. The Free, and the Paid. You have already admitted in private chat that as you were iClassic staff that both the classic app's log into the same world. I have verrified that so does Facebook. Literally pickedu p where the iPhone left off after I verrified my account by e-mail (no need for vip).. Where as you are comparing N-Pulse with no quests and more event based with a playercoutn of 20 ish to a fully developed server with quests on the iphone.. let's remove FB and see how many players drop? I know you were staff on iClassic but since then the player count dwindled to the point of needing FB to help keep them kinda-sorta close to the 2000 ish they had during launch.. Give it some time, you guys are gonna burn iPhone servers out and graal wont have anythign with quality content left because everythign was iserver developed =/

Ducati_Link 07-04-2012 04:54 PM

I dont have the time right now to argue all points - but I disagree. The count isn't that far out, as I haven't wrote up the lot.. if you want me to continue to waste time on it, I could.. but I would rather not.

iClassic didn't need FB to boot them, not even in the slightest.. it was in the making well before.

We are never going to agree Scriptless, I have my views, as do others, as do you.

scriptless 07-04-2012 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducati_Link (Post 1698932)
iClassic didn't need FB to boot them, not even in the slightest.. it was in the making well before.

Soo all those players are iPhone? How many are facebook? I am saying dissable facebook watch the playercount drop. Stop being nieve.

Imperialistic 07-04-2012 07:30 PM

Will you two love birds kiss already?

scriptless 07-04-2012 07:43 PM

Also,
http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...fetime+classic

So not only are people here confirming Stefan did say F2P but others from over a year ago, you know before I needed to use it in my argument...

skillmaster19 07-05-2012 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by cbk1994 (Post 1698863)
It would be interesting to see some numbers on the overlap between Era iPhone and Classic iPhone players.

I suspect servers like Kingdoms iPhone will likely draw almost an entirely different playerbase. This isn't like PC Graal where new players are scarce and servers compete for the same ~500 active players. iPhone servers have the ability to attract players without stealing them from the other iPhone servers.

I agree with this.
Classic iPhone first started with a mixture of PC players with an iOS device/people who played various eurocenter games or found it, with less than 100 players online usually. Then over time Classic iPhone attracted an enormous community growing to have more than 1500 online at peak times. After that Era iPhone came with 200-400 online on average, then grew to now average over 1000 online.

Now to see the potential of iPhone

Comparatively, order and chaos online, a popular p2p iPhone mmo averages 3000-4000 online on iPhone. Other games on Iphone have just as many. Since Graal is f2p, it has even more potential.

Ducati_Link 07-05-2012 07:32 AM

I said BEFORE facebook - they had a count of 900-1200 players when I was there.

scriptless 07-05-2012 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducati_Link (Post 1698988)
I said BEFORE facebook - they had a count of 900-1200 players when I was there.

Key words, before and had.. O.o

Crono 07-05-2012 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by scriptless (Post 1698929)
What I am saying is for the iPhone Classic and iPhone Era to be hitting the number of player they are, you know the 500+ you keep drooling over they have 2 platforms. Facebook, and iPhone. And on the iPhone they have 2 app's. The Free, and the Paid. You have already admitted in private chat that as you were iClassic staff that both the classic app's log into the same world. I have verrified that so does Facebook. Literally pickedu p where the iPhone left off after I verrified my account by e-mail (no need for vip).. Where as you are comparing N-Pulse with no quests and more event based with a playercoutn of 20 ish to a fully developed server with quests on the iphone.. let's remove FB and see how many players drop? I know you were staff on iClassic but since then the player count dwindled to the point of needing FB to help keep them kinda-sorta close to the 2000 ish they had during launch.. Give it some time, you guys are gonna burn iPhone servers out and graal wont have anythign with quality content left because everythign was iserver developed =/

Ok we really need to clear some things up:

1) iClassic doesn't have quests* nor is it even remotely closed to being fully developed.
2) FB made no difference in iClassic's playercount, it drew in a maximum of ~40-50 PC players who wanted to play iClassic but not through their iPhones.
3) iClassic's playercount isn't dwindling nor did FB help it increase in playercount. The FB change was made because no one wanted to play the FB server, they were only using FB to log onto iClassic because they preferred keyboard over touchscreen. Now players are free to use the same character/account through FB or through iPhone, which was a smart move to make. Should N-Pulse go for an iOS release N-Pulse players will still be able to comfortably** play on their PC's, and play with fellow iOS players on the same server.

*it does have some crappy short effortless quest(s?) but trust me, they don't count.
**if you can stand the flash version of Graal, which is almost the same as normal but slightly more laggy and restricted in view (there's a workaround to get more screen size but I haven't tried it yet)

As we speak right now, while our normal playercounts are about half of what they should be (Era 60, Zod 53...usually it's about 80% more) iClassic has almost 1.2k players online and iEra has 1k.

Imperialistic 07-05-2012 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Crono (Post 1699004)
Ok we really need to clear some things up:

1) iClassic doesn't have quests* nor is it even remotely closed to being fully developed......

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*it does have some crappy short effortless quest(s?) but trust me, they don't count.
I was about to say..
Yesterday as a matter of fact I found the Pyrat quest and finished it in 5 minutes, possibly the lamest quest I've seen on Graal. It's really disappointing

cbk1994 07-05-2012 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Crono (Post 1699004)
**if you can stand the flash version of Graal, which is almost the same as normal but slightly more laggy and restricted in view (there's a workaround to get more screen size but I haven't tried it yet)

Doesn't that require linking to a Facebook account normally? That plus the Flash client are kind of deal-breakers for me.

scriptless 07-05-2012 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by cbk1994 (Post 1699017)
Doesn't that require linking to a Facebook account normally? That plus the Flash client are kind of deal-breakers for me.

Same, plus flash sucks/lags more for Linux so it's kinda a don't bother thing.. At least v6 runs. Nice on Linux..

xXziroXx 07-05-2012 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by scriptless (Post 1699020)
Same, plus flash sucks/lags more for Linux so it's kinda a don't bother thing.. At least v6 runs. Nice on Linux..

Solution: stop playing on operative systems that isn't generally supported by the gaming industries. If you're not using Windows, you forfeit your right to complain about games not working properly.

Matt 07-05-2012 07:34 PM

agreed.

Fulg0reSama 07-05-2012 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xXziroXx (Post 1699022)
Solution: stop playing on operative systems that isn't generally supported by the gaming industries. If you're not using Windows, you forfeit your right to complain about games not working properly.

qft

Crono 07-05-2012 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cbk1994 (Post 1699017)
Doesn't that require linking to a Facebook account normally? That plus the Flash client are kind of deal-breakers for me.

Yes, which is why people make FB accounts dedicated to Graal.


Quote:

Originally Posted by scriptless (Post 1699020)
Same, plus flash sucks/lags more for Linux so it's kinda a don't bother thing.. At least v6 runs. Nice on Linux..

Gaming...Linux....

scriptless 07-05-2012 11:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xXziroXx (Post 1699022)
Solution: stop playing on operative systems that isn't generally supported by the gaming industries. If you're not using Windows, you forfeit your right to complain about games not working properly.

You gonna buy me a recovery so I can have legal windows 7 back on my pc? Linux graal works fine I don have problems gamming. Ur flash support suuucks!!

Matt 07-05-2012 11:43 PM

Please vote if you haven't done so already !

Fulg0reSama 07-06-2012 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt (Post 1699044)
Please vote if you haven't done so already !

Is there a time limit or do we just want to see the PC count go to 20 that badly?

Crono 07-06-2012 04:11 PM

Would you like to play N-Pulse on a neglected client with little to no playercount or play it on both Facebook and iOS at the same time with a large playercount and more rich experience?

Fulg0reSama 07-06-2012 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Crono (Post 1699083)
Would you like to play N-Pulse on a neglected client with little to no playercount or play it on both Facebook and iOS at the same time with a large playercount and more rich experience?

Honestly, large playercount doesn't make a quality playercount, that's why I'm not for it.

Matt 07-06-2012 04:37 PM

I'd like to see 'all' versions..

scriptless 07-06-2012 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt (Post 1699087)
I'd like to see 'all' versions..

Me too.. And honestly I'd rather see quality then playercount. Thus far iPhone servers lack major questing and only have minor quests. Playercount comes after quality in my book.

Crono 07-09-2012 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Fulg0reSama (Post 1699086)
Honestly, large playercount doesn't make a quality playercount, that's why I'm not for it.

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Originally Posted by scriptless (Post 1699088)
Me too.. And honestly I'd rather see quality then playercount. Thus far iPhone servers lack major questing and only have minor quests. Playercount comes after quality in my book.

Enjoy playing a social-based game with 0 playercount.

scriptless 07-09-2012 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Crono (Post 1699247)
Enjoy playing a social-based game with 0 playercount.

Enjoy playing a game that never gets finished (lack of staff, constantly being scrapped for new plans).. =/

I mean seriously, PC graal HAS a playerbase.. It's not like another good server classic style would draw players from Era.. it has it's own playerbase of it's own people playing. Same as GK..

If everyone is worried N-Pulse PC would draw 0 players you really haev to question, will iphone be any better? 0 players would indicate a lack of quality content..

Matt 07-09-2012 10:49 PM

Your feelings were different yesterday, than today due to Ducati removing you, and i don't have the patience to hear all of that again. Thread closed, you guys can expect a couple of announcement regarding this soon ! ^^


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