Val's playercount as nothing to do with anything. The hostility you're showing here has already turned me off from your server.

Not everything but all the important targets, and this will happen if you let it.

I'm sorry, I don't mean to come off negative :O Can't really show emotion over text... If you want you can talk with me, via Skype, or Ventrillo =] I apologize again for coming off negative, and I don't mean to "Bad Mouth" Era, it's just that's the only hosted modern server, and it's known by almost everyone, so it is a great example.

We are 100% open to players ideas. =] I'm don't believe it will happen, but if you do have a "fix" that you feel may work better, don't be shy and let me know via PM or something =]

Well the obvious thing would be to limit them to only be able to own X estates, Y businesses, and Z nodes.

However since your systems are still in design mode, there's still lots of different scenarios that you'll have to deal with so we'll just let you handle that.

We'll get it. We normally do. We have a whole .txt file outlining the server, and we edit it a lot. lol

luls

Your silly hat is luls =]

I like them.

Alright, let me clarify things up to this point. As far as the bodies.. when Izzy says "RP" I think he's going a bit out of context as to what the actual concept behind having them is. Really, it's not trying to "limit" anyone or say that someone can't have or do whatever. We're merely defining our own personal looks for the server, so that things don't get all weird looking and have a bunch of odd looking characters running around pretending to be a mafia family.. with the body system, there really aren't any limits what so ever, they are actually THE most extensive/customizable bodies on Graal to date. With this, you're basically ensured that none of your characters will look exactly alike (Unless of course, you want them to.). Really it all comes down to personal opinion on whether you like them or not, and if you wouldn't play the server just because of that than so be it.

To address Jerrets issues with the monopoly effect, it is really something we're going to have to go to the playground with and see how well the slide slips, and the see-saw rocks. We have some rather well planned out systems for how things will work which in the end will take a little tweaking and tinkering of course, but in the end should hopefully work out for the best.

We're not trying to clone or even compare to Era in any way, I mean yes.. there will be guns, and yes.. there will be a lot of killing with guns, but that doesn't mean we're imitating Era.. are we using the same style as Era in regards of game play? Yes, but that's just how things are. Really there isn't much besides guns and killing you can base a Mafia server around, so what do you expect? All in all.. we're just hoping to make a fun server that people will enjoy and or respect. If not, well than at least we had fun trying.

PS: Sorry for any mis-communications Izarius may have brought to this thread. ^^

Sounds like your ultimate goal is to "beat" Era. If you keep comparing everything you do with Era, odds are you're going to fail like every other wannabe server. So far, all I see a 1930's Era with nice graphics...your idea for capturing buildings is something that has been tossed around on Era for ages.

Start thinking more about what Mafia Life can do differently and less about what it can do better than Era.

I kindly noted that we had no intention of copying, beating, or comparing to Era. So how does it "sound" like our ultimate goal is to do so? I never once compared anything to Era, nor did I try to do so. Just because an idea has been tossed around on Era, doesn't mean that it's up and the idea has been revealed to the public eye? There are many things that we plan to do "different" than Era. I don't plan on doing anything "better" than them, because once again like I said.. we aren't trying to compare to them. :confused:

Should I bring up the history of how you told me a week or so ago about how you were only helping a server for a little bit because you got paid, and you were back to help us and never logged again? I was also talking about MY irl issues I told you about, thats why I said I explained them.

Also, like I said, I'm not being unappreciative, its just, this already happened once with you sage...

I posted my post before seeing yours, but I was referring to some of the owner's posts where he's "bashing era" as someone else already said.

Again I say, guns on graal? C'mon...

What's wrong with guns on Graal? Even Valikorlia has guns.

it's so customizable that i can't wear a fish-head and be apart of the fish-head-mafia

sounds lame

Sounds like having a decent idea of what they want the server to be. ;)

sounds like they have a wonderful idea of their custom bodies on paper, and expecting great things from Sage. Great things that will inevitably not be as impressive as they sound

unneeded limitations, really

Sounds good. Seriously. The ideas are innovative for a gun server. But I as a 1999 player can't see it as I have only logged on Era once or twice since it came out.

Also, to bump, it just doesn't seem like enough to keep players going forever. Repeatable quests can only be repeated so much for a player, and although dons and mafia are the ****, seriously (and I really like the idea), w/o more things to keep guilds (families) and players going, as well as disabling global guilds which is another farce to graal being even zodiac has enabled global guilds now, it just doesn't seem more than a problem to a solution and solves some slight time and fun. Think about that for a min. xD

I, as much as anyone, want to see multiple good servers. Granted I am an admin, and basically naysayer to everything, on Armageddon, I want to see the game grow. This is why I am saying what I am saying. Constructive critism in a sense and advice. Think about what I've said please, and expand server ideas. Along with that, dont ignore global guilds, period. That is what graal provides to create when you p2p. Dont ignore it.

Yes, because what a server set in the 1930s United States needs are fish-people. Your game design ideas are revolutionary!

I am bad with that stuffs =P Thanks Sage!

I don't think it's a big deal, but he points out "no it's not an RP server, you can make your character look any way you want, except if it's not the way you're supposed to look in this setting".

Anyway, I am sorry my text can be misread, I even tried to show you I don't mean to "Bash" era at all. But what else can we compare it too, when everyone else compares us to Era? We will be completely different.

PM me if you want to talk over skype vent :)

What's wrong with looking how the rest of the setting looks? Honestly, I like the idea.

What about if you look at it, how I see it.

I see it as playing World of Warcraft, as a gangster with a AK-47. It doesn't make sense...

Probably not the best example since WoW is full of anachronisms.

http://www.secretwarcraft.com/wp-con...07-chopper.jpg

Lol

MOST games do have something random in it / easter eggs.
Don't expect a game too be 100% perfect.

my game design?

if you are not making a RP server, then what is the point of putting limitations to keep everything within the confines of...a RP server? i think blowing away "the mafia" as a fish-headed person in the 1930s would be hilarious

To have a coherent vision, let alone a coherent game. You might think fish-people are hilarious, but they're actually just really stupid when put into the setting 1930s United States.

I commend the admins for making a decision to keep their game true to its purpose. It's the first step towards a decent playerworld. :D

or a totally anal server that's anal about even limiting what players say. oh wait, you happen to develop on one already. i don't think we require another

Hiro sucks ****. Just saying. So let's ignore the horrible ideas he's trying to share, and create some fresh ones.

Take into consideration games and try studying a bit of American history and what made the times in which the Mafia reigned so unique. For example, instead of simply making the game a "gun/building-capturing server," why don't you attempt to use that RP element you have to your advantage?

Take the ability to customize your characters and make it so that people as they join are able to join one of x amounts of "main" families. The benefit in joining a family in the beginning could be a bonus in say: using the places taken over by that specific family to gain discounts in weapon shops, food shops, etc. Make it so that the more territory a family has taken over, the more money they make and the more of specific (not just filler territory - crackhouses, bars, etc) territory taken over makes it so that the members of that family can gain benefits in those territories.

Doing something as simple as this would make it so that the need to be in a family is required and each player WILL strive to keep that family actively on top of the most important (or strategically diverse) territory so that they could plan attacks on other families.

On top of that, you could offer making things much more unique by allowing players to form their own families and allowing the buildings they take up to be customizable as well, allowing them to gradually form a family that could compete with the main families.

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Just a few ideas, but I think that'd make the server a little more unique in terms of being just a plain gun server. It'd offer purpose to the players and it'd be unique in the theme. Given the theme and the time of the game, you could also give specific effects that character can experience while drunk and can be a huge selling market for the families that can take over specific territories and set up their own underground bars (given the whole Prohibition Act where alcohol was made illegal around this time).

I think Hiro's doing a good job

Robocop.. You just blew my mind. He is completely right, If you use elements of the theme you are using to your advantage mix that with basic RP elements, You will surely have a server worth playing on.

You're welcome, hope the remains aren't everywhere? :)

Roleplay isn't necessarily a bad thing. Val, I remember was a fun server when the weapons were still usable and players were able to go out of character and back into character when needed.

You just need to find a right balance between the two, with a theme so delicate as the mafia, the limitations prove to be infinitely useful.

Truth is a server that has some obvious limits and forces players to follow some sort of goal - other than the widely popular kill player - makes it so that the server gives all players a purpose other than killing a player for stats.

You did a very good job.
We have all these ideas already in motion. Thank you so much for confirming to me, that the players wanted this.
But we do have these ideas, almost all of them, already written down. :D


And in my post, I also mentioned I didn't want to release ALL my details...but I guess if you guys want...I can release some more.

Do you guys want more details?

No problem. I'll offer more suggestions as the server comes closer to a release or at least further improves on its current needs to make it a full-fledged server.

Feel free to send me a message if you need to discuss any ideas that you're currently considering and not considering.

before i critiquie your suggestion, let me just say that you are quite the flaming homosexual (even though i have no idea who you are) and may i also suggest to my peers that we shouldn't listen to a word he says. let's "ignore" his suggestions that the server has already posted about doing, and create fresh new ones!

now, let me critique why your ideas are stupid. by your solution, we would solve the problem of family monopoly by adding in monopolies to predetermined families that already exist before the server comes out: sort of like era's gangs. except that this would make player-made families become futile unless they started out right in the beginning, thus being one of those predetermined families in the first place. allow families to have more customization is an obvious prize-system that is quite far from being original. how you ever came up with that one, we'll never know - perhaps during one of those long nights waiting for sleep, you thought up this brilliant and unoriginal suggestion. whatever the case, if ML staff hadn't already thought of this before you suggested it, i would be shocked (and appalled)

now i'll give ML a different suggestion since you seem to want to have some worthless RP elements on a game where people love to be as unique as possible and don't want to be limited to "fitting in" with the atmosphere: you are going to need some form of law enforcement that combats the various family mafia. if my memory serves me correctly, what gave the mafia leverage over the police force was the fact that they could use machine guns, while the police force was limited to pistols. this should be hard for a family to get (you don't want to have everyone with machine guns going everywhere) but it should give them a significant advantage over the neutral police force who want to get rid of the various mafia-groups

for example, you shouldn't be able to run about with guns blazing in a public area, or just go about PKing anyone you please. these acts are illegal, and you should be pursued and stopped if you try to do so. a good way to enforce this would to have several NPC-police guards who protect the inner cities and patrol about, either capturing or killing any mafia-type members should they attempt to break the law. hell, if a player gets a big enough reputation in any given city, you could have police chase that player on sight

another good opportunity presented by the idea of law enforcement would be to have local banks which could be robbed by players - a good neutral way to obtain money aside from carpal tunnel syndrome "press the s button to break the rock/ore/tree/etc." type systems. the bigger the bank, the larger amount of police force within, the greater amount of money to be stolen (not to mention having families break in, fill up the bags with cash, get to the getaway car, only to be thwarted by a enemy family who steals their spoils)

a last suggestion on police forces: allow police to randomly raid a mafia-controlled building at some given time, given the reputation of that family. unless you were planning on having giant flags atop the buildings to indicate which family owned which building, the hideouts of each family should be secretive (how are you supposed to get away from breaking the law if everyone knows where your hideout is?) and so, if a family member breaks the law and the police see them walk into (one of) their main-hideout(s), then the setup for a raid would be warranted


in before "all things hiro posts are tl;dr durp de hurp"

RE: HIRO

We have many ideas that have not been posted. One of these, is how to make money. Aside from the boring spamming of S, on a mine, fishing, tree ect, like Hiro mentioned. We have a new way to do so.
We will have a random spawn of NPC's all different kinds. Examples of these random spawns are

John Write >Wealthy Man< - You can mug/Murder this man, in hopes of some good cash.

NPC Truck - Bring it to the chop shop, for money.

A Rare spawn of Famous Mafia names, which may drop tons of cash, ect.
Please note there will be many many more ways on making money. Little crimes like this.

All of these DO infact have your "Enforcement" detail you stated. You do have a chance of going to Jail. In jail you serve Minutes for the crimes you have committed. Now, you CAN escape from jail, or try. You CAN get bailed out. You CAN even get busted out, but if your friend who is busting you out fails, he too will be in jail.

Now, aside from Jail, we do have a real punishment level, known as Prison. Prison is where harassers, and racism go.

I would like to touch up on your "Bank Robbery" statement.
We will in fact have a bank robbery system. In this a "Don" or "Higher up" in the family, can place a beacon on the Bank. It will then countdown for all family members in area, to get within the area. When timer finishes, all members will begin the robbery. If you succeed in this almost impossible activity, you will gain mad profits.

Now, say Family A Enters the bank, and is successful. Then Family B tries to do it, RIGHT after them. They will only receive as much money that the bank has regenerated over the time between the two heists.

Now please note, anyone who "dies" in the bank robbery, will be put in jail, for Attempted Robbery. If the party itself fails, you are all sent to jail.

We have a ton of content that we wish to share with people, when the time is right. So if you DO have any ideas, you would like to share with us, please contact me for a 1 on 1 meeting in game.

I will also touch up on anything you guys ask for.

Any questions? :D

Sounds like there are plenty of ways to earn money. How are you going to destroy that money, so that the economy doesn't face hyperinflation?