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WhiteDragon 12-17-2010 04:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Crono (Post 1616445)
Why doesn't the iPhone 4 make full use of its higher resolution? Just wondering...

The player would probably be far too small to see if Graal was running at 326 dpi.

DustyPorViva 12-17-2010 04:02 AM

Wouldn't it take a lot more graphical power to run something at that resolution?

Admins 12-17-2010 05:03 AM

Classic/Era don't use retina display because it's about pixel graphics and it wouldn't improve the display (except you display everything at mini size but then you wouldn't be able to play normally). Only the menus and map would look a little bit better. On the other hand higher resolution is slowing it down, so we are currently not using it for Classic and Era.

Crono 12-17-2010 05:27 AM

Oh ok. I figured a small increase would be neat but I guess it's too much trouble and not worth it. :]

WhiteDragon 12-17-2010 05:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Crono (Post 1616459)
Oh ok. I figured a small increase would be neat but I guess it's too much trouble and not worth it. :]

I think there are other places that could use the improvement more, lol. ;)

In the graphics department though, it'd be nice to see a removal of the 20fps cap, as that is particularly noticeable when you play Graal. Even a small increase would do it I think.

Crono 12-17-2010 06:00 AM

ya but thats just general graal

im just talkin iphone 4 specific since i was running around and noticed the viewing distance is so tiny ^^

fowlplay4 12-17-2010 06:12 AM

Graal iPhone should probably implement Facetime if possible, it would be revolutionary to the Graal social world.

Crono 12-17-2010 06:18 AM

u need to add me on classic iphone that would be revolutionary, jerk

fowlplay4 12-17-2010 06:32 AM

ok i will i sware

Matt 12-25-2010 12:16 AM

So guys, i just got into NY to visit family, and it turns out my mom has an iPhone now (Which i think is funny fyi). I started playing Classic iPhone but was wondering is there anyway to associate my current account with it?

I'm really not going to even bother if it's not a possibility so i just wanted to know.

redsoxsrule424 12-25-2010 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt (Post 1617964)
So guys, i just got into NY to visit family, and it turns out my mom has an iPhone now (Which i think is funny fyi). I started playing Classic iPhone but was wondering is there anyway to associate my current account with it?

I'm really not going to even bother if it's not a possibility so i just wanted to know.

I don't think its possible unfortunately.

MattKan 12-25-2010 03:26 AM

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Originally Posted by fowlplay4 (Post 1616463)
Graal iPhone should probably implement Facetime if possible, it would be revolutionary to the Graal social world.

I don't think the Graal iPhone noobs (you know what they like to do) and Facetime would be very good- The app would bump up to 18+ years old only

Gigaboy 01-06-2011 02:37 AM

classic iphone iz boring though :(

zenthor 01-06-2011 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Gigaboy (Post 1620636)
classic iphone iz boring though :(


>:OO you made iphone cry

oo_jazz_oo 01-07-2011 05:00 AM

How long does it take to disconnect your player from the iphone client? o.O

I logged into iphone era, then like 15 minutes later I went to Classic iPhone, and it d/c me due to "account sharing" on era iphone.

cbk1994 01-07-2011 05:02 AM

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Originally Posted by oo_jazz_oo (Post 1620978)
How long does it take to disconnect your player from the iphone client? o.O

I logged into iphone era, then like 15 minutes later I went to Classic iPhone, and it d/c me due to "account sharing" on era iphone.

Shouldn't be happening anyway—you can log in to two different servers at once from the same computer.

RegretZ 01-07-2011 05:04 AM

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Originally Posted by cbk1994 (Post 1620980)
Shouldn't be happening anyway—you can log in to two different servers at once from the same computer.

You can't do that on iPhone for some reason. It just doesn't work. It has a different system though I think.

JesusFreak250 01-09-2011 10:54 AM

they use V6 i think which I think is the same as iphone...

MattKan 01-09-2011 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by cbk1994 (Post 1620980)
Shouldn't be happening anyway—you can log in to two different servers at once from the same computer.

You probably have multitasking enabled, and Graal iPhone doesn't like that. That's why I turned it off on both apps

redsoxsrule424 01-09-2011 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by JesusFreak250 (Post 1621530)
they use V6 i think which I think is the same as iphone...

Yeah, iPhone uses a modified version of the v6 client according to Stefan.

cbk1994 01-09-2011 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by MattKan (Post 1621576)
You probably have multitasking enabled, and Graal iPhone doesn't like that. That's why I turned it off on both apps

...?

I said computer.

PowerProNL 01-09-2011 07:22 PM

Why not making it open for public, so computer + iPhone can play it, would be more cooler

and for Era iPhone a special subscription or something of 2 euros per year :O so you can enter it

Bubble13 01-16-2011 02:23 AM

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Originally Posted by oo_jazz_oo (Post 1620978)
How long does it take to disconnect your player from the iphone client? o.O

I logged into iphone era, then like 15 minutes later I went to Classic iPhone, and it d/c me due to "account sharing" on era iphone.

I think it's instant.

Skyld 01-16-2011 02:36 AM

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Originally Posted by PowerProNL (Post 1621611)
Why not making it open for public, so computer + iPhone can play it, would be more cooler

This is possible but it will require some thinking; PC players have a natural advantage really by the nature of the hardware.

MattKan 01-16-2011 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Skyld (Post 1623006)
This is possible but it will require some thinking; PC players have a natural advantage really by the nature of the hardware.

Well, I think that the thinking should be done so this can happen :)

Zeross 01-16-2011 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Skyld (Post 1623006)
This is possible but it will require some thinking; PC players have a natural advantage really by the nature of the hardware.

Woah, making us both on same server?
That'd be awesome. Wow.

oo_jazz_oo 01-16-2011 07:29 AM

Ive been on an iPhone server from the client.

Some random day when the iphone server first opened, I decided to try logging in on the client, and it didn't disconnect me. I messaged a few friends to come play on there...

We all got accused of hacking because we could pause and not get slashed...good times.

DemonSpawnn 01-16-2011 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Skyld (Post 1623006)
This is possible but it will require some thinking; PC players have a natural advantage really by the nature of the hardware.

Cards.

Fulg0reSama 01-16-2011 08:11 AM

Personally I'm not so sure about hardware advantage anymore like Skyld said. PC players will probably get slowed to **** by the 100s of players in levels at a time.

DustyPorViva 01-16-2011 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Fulg0reSama (Post 1623119)
Personally I'm not so sure about hardware advantage anymore like Skyld said. PC players will probably get slowed to **** by the 100s of players in levels at a time.

But an iPhone will get slowed to **** much worse. Also, it's not all about the hardware quality but about the fact that a keyboard > touchscreen. Always. Also, players have much higher resolutions, being able to see much farther.

Fulg0reSama 01-16-2011 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by DustyPorViva (Post 1623120)
But an iPhone will get slowed to **** much worse. Also, it's not all about the hardware quality but about the fact that a keyboard > touchscreen. Always. Also, players have much higher resolutions, being able to see much farther.

This seems rather situational but the PC is also liable to a major slowdown.
I guess I'm being rather narrowsighted but can you explain what higher resolution is going to do to your game experience other than seeing further?
Why don't we just ditch joypad functionality all together because ya know configured correctly joypad > keyboard because we have more convenience and its unfair for other PC users? Scripts can easily even the playing field if done correctly too.

DustyPorViva 01-16-2011 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Fulg0reSama (Post 1623132)
This seems rather situational but the PC is also liable to a major slowdown.
I guess I'm being rather narrowsighted but can you explain what higher resolution is going to do to your game experience other than seeing further?
Why don't we just ditch joypad functionality all together because ya know configured correctly joypad > keyboard because we have more convenience and its unfair for other PC users? Scripts can easily even the playing field if done correctly too.

The PC is liable to slowdown as well, but the iPhone runs on like... I think 300mhz CPU? If you put a PC player and an iPhone player in a level with 100 other players, take a guess as to who it's going to hurt the worst.

Also, a keyboard vs a joypad is not comparible to an iPhone controls to a keyboard. Play any game on the iPhone and you'll see exactly what I mean.

Demisis_P2P 01-16-2011 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by DustyPorViva (Post 1623134)
The PC is liable to slowdown as well, but the iPhone runs on like... I think 300mhz CPU? If you put a PC player and an iPhone player in a level with 100 other players, take a guess as to who it's going to hurt the worst.

Also, a keyboard vs a joypad is not comparible to an iPhone controls to a keyboard. Play any game on the iPhone and you'll see exactly what I mean.

Phone CPUs are a bit weirder than normal desktop CPUs.
Up until the iPhone 3Gs iPhones all had the same 620 MHz RISC ARM CPU. The 3GS actually only had a 600 MHz CPU, which was actually an 833 MHz ARM Cortex-A8 CPU that was underclocked, and it was still much faster than the 620 MHz CPUs because of the layout of the chip.

The iPhone 4 has a custom 1 GHz ARM Cortex-A8 chip with a GPU built into it, so it handles video and 3D acceleration fairly well.

There are a few high end Android phones with HDMI ports built into them, because they can actually handle outputting Full HD (1080p) content, which is something that, in my experience, even midrange Laptops and Netbooks have struggled to do.

tl;dr- phone hardware and software is so different and optimized that its hard to compare with desktop hardware.

PC players would still have an advantage though because of both the other reasons Dusty said.

cbk1994 01-16-2011 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Fulg0reSama (Post 1623132)
I guess I'm being rather narrowsighted but can you explain what higher resolution is going to do to your game experience other than seeing further?

Does it need to do anything else? That's a pretty big advantage, at least on gun servers, lol.

Clockwork 01-16-2011 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Demisis_P2P (Post 1623146)
Phone CPUs are a bit weirder than normal desktop CPUs.
Up until the iPhone 3Gs iPhones all had the same 620 MHz RISC ARM CPU. The 3GS actually only had a 600 MHz CPU, which was actually an 833 MHz ARM Cortex-A8 CPU that was underclocked, and it was still much faster than the 620 MHz CPUs because of the layout of the chip.

The iPhone 4 has a custom 1 GHz ARM Cortex-A8 chip with a GPU built into it, so it handles video and 3D acceleration fairly well.

There are a few high end Android phones with HDMI ports built into them, because they can actually handle outputting Full HD (1080p) content, which is something that, in my experience, even midrange Laptops and Netbooks have struggled to do.

tl;dr- phone hardware and software is so different and optimized that its hard to compare with desktop hardware.

PC players would still have an advantage though because of both the other reasons Dusty said.

I'm looking forward to the next generation of phones with a MOS 6502 processor in them :D

Rufus 01-16-2011 11:04 AM

iPads have a higher resolution but they're allowed to play alongside iPod users. In fact, the iPad probably uses a bigger screen than I do for Graal on my PC.

DustyPorViva 01-16-2011 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Demisis_P2P (Post 1623146)
Phone CPUs are a bit weirder than normal desktop CPUs.
Up until the iPhone 3Gs iPhones all had the same 620 MHz RISC ARM CPU. The 3GS actually only had a 600 MHz CPU, which was actually an 833 MHz ARM Cortex-A8 CPU that was underclocked, and it was still much faster than the 620 MHz CPUs because of the layout of the chip.

The iPhone 4 has a custom 1 GHz ARM Cortex-A8 chip with a GPU built into it, so it handles video and 3D acceleration fairly well.

There are a few high end Android phones with HDMI ports built into them, because they can actually handle outputting Full HD (1080p) content, which is something that, in my experience, even midrange Laptops and Netbooks have struggled to do.

tl;dr- phone hardware and software is so different and optimized that its hard to compare with desktop hardware.

PC players would still have an advantage though because of both the other reasons Dusty said.

Optimized, maybe, but still not THAT optimized. For example, iPhone servers can hardly have any clientside looping at all because the CPU's can't handle it. GPU and CPU are totally different. The iPhone can handle some powerful graphic output, but that means squat when it comes to processing data, and that's where the PC trumps the iPhone.

Crono 01-16-2011 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Rufus (Post 1623151)
iPads have a higher resolution but they're allowed to play alongside iPod users. In fact, the iPad probably uses a bigger screen than I do for Graal on my PC.

Graal runs on a lower resolution tho, I think?

Raelyn 02-27-2011 03:20 AM

Is there a way to log on your graal gold account with the ipad, or is this wishful thinking?

skillmaster19 02-27-2011 03:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Raelyn (Post 1633467)
Is there a way to log on your graal gold account with the ipad, or is this wishful thinking?

No there isn't.


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