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BlackSolider 04-21-2009 07:59 PM

I'd buy a pet npc that followed me around, sort of like how pikachu followed Ash around. MAYBE THEY COULD BATTLE OTHER PEOPLE'S PETS LOLOLOL.

Seriously though, if we're going to add npcs (which we need to do,) make them A) good and B) useful. Balloons are cool and all (not) but I want something I can have fun with. Rock paper scissors npc can be fun (despite the LOL animation) because you can play with other people.

Rufus 04-21-2009 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackSolider (Post 1485818)
Rock paper scissors npc can be fun (despite the LOL animation) because you can play with other people.

This (albeit my idea) is what I was hoping the direction of GC prizes would go into. Promotion of interaction between players, but I honestly can't think of any other ideas similar to it. Listening to other people's ideas sometimes sparks things off, such as offering a "link cable" for sale to join the game system (maximus_asinus) but that would possibly be better suited to being sold in a shop I don't know.

Shadow87 04-21-2009 09:13 PM

That's why with GC prizes, they shouldn't be so much top quality, as they are just fun.

RPS is a good one, mini games is perfect. Make a thumb war, make an arm wrestling npc where the person who jams s the fastest will win.

Stuff like that.

Rufus 04-21-2009 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Shadow87 (Post 1485837)
make an arm wrestling npc where the person who jams s the fastest will win

I like that one, though I don't know how it could be animated.

Luda 04-21-2009 09:27 PM

How about having GC prizes in a medieval theme instead of modern fisher price toys.

I put what I feel about these prizes in bold.
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Originally Posted by Shadow87 (Post 1485813)
Nerf Gun LOL
reminds me of UN

Balloons that could cost a ticket each and you can carry around for a limited amount of time
We have balloon npcs already made that are taken away when you are slashed, I think Thor only wants this for New Years.

Pack of cigs
When me and Exodus made a server together Ibonic told me we weren't allowed to sell cigs.

How about Dolls/action figures/figures that could be placed in player houses, or just in your inventory to hold out and show people.
Not everyone has a playerhouse but I wouldn't mind this.

More boots
Come on..are you serious?

Make like a 10 minute staff boot item, player can buy it for a nice amount of tickets, and it will give them the power of running everywhere they want for sometime.
Stupid

Different NPCs that will show different emotions, kissing, holding hands, i dont know, homo **** like that.
I don't mind this.

Instruments even, i know UN has em, but does it really matter if we make some of our own?
Night already wants instruments, he has something planned i think.

Make a hover board , much like a skateboard, but without wheels, thats like 100 tickets even.
Futuristic=***


Shadow87 04-21-2009 09:30 PM

LOL okay , the ones i thought stupid were exactly what you thought were, so thats good.

jacob_bald6225 04-21-2009 11:54 PM

You should be able to equip all 10 balloons at once and drift around the overworld randomly(IE: you float in wind gusts and cant be hit by anyone-- Then you can press D to drop off).

Hell-- maybe even with some control it could implement paratroopers.

EclipsedAngel 04-22-2009 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by jacob_bald6225 (Post 1485883)
You should be able to equip all 10 balloons at once and drift around the overworld randomly(IE: you float in wind gusts and cant be hit by anyone-- Then you can press D to drop off).

Hell-- maybe even with some control it could implement paratroopers.

Wasn't there hot air balloons or something on GK where it made the overworld small?
That looked cool.
Would look cooler if it was on classic.

BlackSolider 04-22-2009 01:53 AM

Someone suggested a portable card table npc, rather than being stuck inside the card house all day. Lvl 14 card battles, woot!

Luda 04-22-2009 02:53 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackSolider (Post 1485922)
Someone suggested a portable card table npc, rather than being stuck inside the card house all day. Lvl 14 card battles, woot!

Lame, piss off with the damn portable npcs rofl

jacob_bald6225 04-22-2009 04:33 AM

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Originally Posted by EclipsedAngel (Post 1485903)
Wasn't there hot air balloons or something on GK where it made the overworld small?
That looked cool.
Would look cooler if it was on classic.

Yah it was about 3 years ago when they "previewed" it-- and said it was only going to be on gold worlds.

MysticX2X 04-22-2009 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by jacob_bald6225 (Post 1485883)
You should be able to equip all 10 balloons at once and drift around the overworld randomly(IE: you float in wind gusts and cant be hit by anyone-- Then you can press D to drop off).

Hell-- maybe even with some control it could implement paratroopers.

Maybe if the flying technology relased.:asleep:

Remonq 04-23-2009 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackSolider (Post 1485922)
Someone suggested a portable card table npc, rather than being stuck inside the card house all day. Lvl 14 card battles, woot!

me.

also: lol@paratroopers. that would be kinda awesome

ff7chocoboknight2 04-24-2009 09:52 PM

Why not put it in that empty room inside the entrance of GC studios? Where the constuction guys are.

BlackSolider 04-24-2009 10:48 PM

Tis not empty. But its useless at this point, other than the room later on that shows all of the cards.

ffcmike 04-26-2009 10:47 PM

The Classic Lottery is now public,
come to the West Wing of the castle to either purchase tickets or find out more info.
The current prize list consists of:
Batform,
* LOVE *,
Life Time Bowling VIP Card,
*Conch Shell,
*Fireball,
*Shovel,
*SuperBomb,
*Torch,
*Dragoon Jump,
Morpher.

The first randomly selected prize was none other than the *Superbomb.

Ofcourse the actual running of the game itself will occur one week from now,
this is just the time inwhich tickets can be purchased.
The future time for this to occur really depends on how many tickets get purchased, at the moment it is planned for every 2 weeks.

Ares 04-26-2009 10:54 PM

i got a feeling luda has the lucky ticket

ffcmike 04-26-2009 10:56 PM

71 Tickets sold,
up to 929 left to go,
any one ticket could win.

StrykerTFFD 04-26-2009 11:34 PM

I hope those items get released by other means as well.

Luda 04-26-2009 11:36 PM

This is the ***est reason to release npcs thor

ffcmike 04-26-2009 11:37 PM

Most of them are planned to be released in the not incredibly distant future anyway,
in the case of Batform and Love they are temporarily obtainable at specific times of the year (Autumn and Valentines), Bowling VIP Card is ofcourse winnable.

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Originally Posted by Luda (Post 1487044)
This is the ***est reason to release npcs thor

Releasing NPCs is not the objective.

Nataxo 04-26-2009 11:41 PM

I bought 3 tickets yeah!

Rufus 04-27-2009 02:07 AM

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Originally Posted by ffcmike (Post 1487031)
Batform
* LOVE *

Holiday NPCs are released in an attempt to encourage players to log on during them. The NPCs are then unavailable after the event in an attempt to promote a sense of rarity to the NPCs, and gratitude for logging on. When you promote that feeling of rewarding for logging on during events, it encourages players to log on with some regularity, if the holiday events are consistent. Why would you release holiday NPCs outside of the specific holiday, moreover why would anyone care? You're essentially removing their purpose and degrading them into random "fun" NPC that you can get from various methods.

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Originally Posted by ffcmike (Post 1487031)
Life Time Bowling VIP Card

Why offer a lifetime bowling card if the player doesn't actually deserve it? Again, the lifetime bowling card was an attempt to reward players for actually participating in bowling and building up their skill. If all it takes to gain lifetime access is to have won a few events then you're degrading the purpose yet again.

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Originally Posted by ffcmike (Post 1487031)
*Conch Shell

Is the Conch Shell going to unlock a couple of quests for the person who wins it or what? That's all it used to do, well, and make a horn noise. How wonderful.

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Originally Posted by ffcmike (Post 1487031)
*Fireball
*SuperBomb

These are both rewards for quests. The Fireball quest is currently being worked on, why would you offer it as a prize in the lottery? It's undermining the development team, because it's all for naught if you can get the prize willy nilly from a lottery. In addition to this, will these prizes be disabled in events? One person having that kind of advantage doesn't really go well against the promotion of "fairness" that has gone on for years.

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Originally Posted by ffcmike (Post 1487031)
*Shovel

I don't understand why you would release a Shovel before it had a few actual purposes. To then go on and release a few purposes for the Shovel at a later date will have the same effect as the Rat Form rat holes.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ffcmike (Post 1487031)
*Torch

What is the point in having a Lantern and the Torch on the server?

Quote:

Originally Posted by ffcmike (Post 1487031)
Morpher

So instead of readding the Morpher to the server because of a quest that you added, you're releasing it as a Lottery Prize? Lol.

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Originally Posted by ffcmike (Post 1487045)
Most of them are planned to be released in the not incredibly distant future anyway

So what is the point in players buying tickets for the lottery? Be the first person to get the NPC? What happens when they're released via their appropriate distribution channels such as quests? Does the player get nothing for doing them, or is the quest just unavailable for them? It doesn't exactly make for interesting quests with basic adventure features such as backtracking if you've already got the NPC. This is so contrived and a pretty embarrassing cop-out to be honest.

Luda 04-27-2009 02:12 AM

Lottery Prize Suggestions:
-portable ctf
-portable bank
-portable horse
-portable bench (upgraded chair)
-portable mystic
-portable jail cell

ffcmike 04-27-2009 02:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Rufus (Post 1487075)
Holiday NPCs are released in an attempt to encourage players to log on during them. The NPCs are then unavailable after the event in an attempt to promote a sense of rarity to the NPCs, and gratitude for logging on. When you promote that feeling of rewarding for logging on during events, it encourages players to log on with some regularity, if the holiday events are consistent. Why would you release holiday NPCs outside of the specific holiday, moreover why would anyone care? You're essentially removing their purpose and degrading them into random "fun" NPC that you can get from various methods.

The Lottery isn't exactly a give-away,
by the time these Holiday NPCs are available again maybe a handful of people may have earned them with this method, it's just a potential speedy method of obtaining it with the large risk of being empty handed, hardly degrading.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rufus (Post 1487075)
Why offer a lifetime bowling card if the player doesn't actually deserve it? Again, the lifetime bowling card was an attempt to reward players for actually participating in bowling and building up their skill. If all it takes to gain lifetime access is to have won a few events then you're degrading the purpose yet again.

Again, it's not like absolutely everyone is going to end up with this Weapon, but for those that do there's a chance it might encourage them to start Bowling again because there's no hassle of spending gelat towards lanes.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Rufus (Post 1487075)
Is the Conch Shell going to unlock a couple of quests for the person who wins it or what? That's all it used to do, well, and make a horn noise. How wonderful.

This is just something that was planned for an eventual quick release anyway,
you wouldn't expect it to wow anyone under normal circumstances but this method gives the rarity factor to this item.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rufus (Post 1487075)
These are both rewards for quests. The Fireball quest is currently being worked on, why would you offer it as a prize in the lottery? It's undermining the development team, because it's all for naught if you can get the prize willy nilly from a lottery. In addition to this, will these prizes be disabled in events? One person having that kind of advantage doesn't really go well against the promotion of "fairness" that has gone on for years.

Again, just a speedier method of obtaining it before it becomes widespread,
DC has agreed with them being prizes so hardly undermining the Dev Team.
And yes it will be disabled within events.

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Originally Posted by Rufus (Post 1487075)
I don't understand why you would release a Shovel before it had a few actual purposes. To then go on and release a few purposes for the Shovel at a later date will have the same effect as the Rat Form rat holes.

You could call it a portable bush,
i'm sure some people would appreciate that.

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Originally Posted by Rufus (Post 1487075)
What is the point in having a Lantern and the Torch on the server?

The Torch is like an upgrade to the Lantern,
you can damage and burn other players with it,
and even spread fires across objects (bushes, signs, healthpots etc),
players on fire temporarily cannot use fire weapons.

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Originally Posted by Rufus (Post 1487075)
So instead of readding the Morpher to the server because of a quest that you added, you're releasing it as a Lottery Prize? Lol.

Until it gets re-added, yes,
I don't see why that's funny.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rufus (Post 1487075)
So what is the point in players buying tickets for the lottery? Be the first person to get the NPC? What happens when they're released via their appropriate distribution channels such as quests? Does the player get nothing for doing them, or is the quest just unavailable for them? It doesn't exactly make for interesting quests with basic adventure features such as backtracking if you've already got the NPC. This is so contrived and a pretty embarrassing cop-out to be honest.

When the NPCs get released theres no reason Quests would be unavailable to them, if they choose not to go ahead with the Quest so be it, some might even prefer that, plus we can always make Chests reward seperate items to those already with the prize like Zelda.

StrykerTFFD 04-27-2009 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by ffcmike (Post 1487078)
portable bush

*snicker*

Nataxo 04-27-2009 02:44 AM

whats with the portable stuff?

Rufus 04-27-2009 03:04 AM

The prizes are collectively an excuse to release NPC's in an attempt to reduce the tickets in the economy, but I don't understand how that is justified when all you're essentially gaining is some kind of contrived bragging rights. I know some people who have wasted their tickets at current "just because" but I don't see how you expect players to be dumb enough to bid for items with their tickets on a constant basis that they can get for free in the future. To me, the lineup of quest items just looks like a substitute for lack of creativity.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ffcmike (Post 1487078)
The Lottery isn't exactly a give-away,
by the time these Holiday NPCs are available again maybe a handful of people may have earned them with this method, it's just a potential speedy method of obtaining it with the large risk of being empty handed, hardly degrading.

Oh when you put it like that, it all makes so much sense. "You're essentially removing their purpose and degrading them into random "fun" NPC that you can get from various methods." They're holiday NPCs.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ffcmike (Post 1487078)
Again, it's not like absolutely everyone is going to end up with this Weapon, but for those that do there's a chance it might encourage them to start Bowling again because there's no hassle of spending gelat towards lanes.

It's like adding the CTF Trophy or the Egg Hunt Trophy as a prize that you can win. You're being rewarded for having skill with things like this, winning a prize in a lottery is not a skill, nor does it reflect it.

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Originally Posted by ffcmike (Post 1487078)
This is just something that was planned for an eventual quick release anyway,
you wouldn't expect it to wow anyone under normal circumstances but this method gives the rarity factor to this item.

You're expecting an NPC that only one person has first during a short amount of time (that does absolutely nothing of use) is going to hype the useless NPC up through some kind of boasting? What the hell?

Quote:

Originally Posted by ffcmike (Post 1487078)
Again, just a speedier method of obtaining it before it becomes widespread,
DC has agreed with them being prizes so hardly undermining the Dev Team.
And yes it will be disabled within events.

"Hey guys, the development team aren't working fast enough so we're going to give you the opportunity to win the prize before it's out!"

That's essentially the message you're giving off here, because they're currently working on the quest. It's not even a type of teaser or a means of hyping the future quest, it's more like a spoiler. "This is what you're going to get in the new quest, get bidding yo!" I wasn't aware that quests were just a means of gathering items, and that's certainly not how most new players I talk to I see them. Quests are supposed to be an adventure, and somehow the mystical Fireball and Superbomb NPCs have shown up in the castle, but if you don't win them it doesn't matter because it's ALSO in a quest? Right.

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Originally Posted by ffcmike (Post 1487078)
You could call it a portable bush,
i'm sure some people would appreciate that.

Not seeing the humor here.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ffcmike (Post 1487078)
The Torch is like an upgrade to the Lantern,
you can damage and burn other players with it,
and even spread fires across objects (bushes, signs, healthpots etc),
players on fire temporarily cannot use fire weapons.

How does a Torch upgrade into a Lantern?

Quote:

Originally Posted by ffcmike (Post 1487078)
Until it gets re-added, yes,
I don't see why that's funny.

Because it's a cop-out?

Quote:

Originally Posted by ffcmike (Post 1487078)
When the NPCs get released theres no reason Quests would be unavailable to them, if they choose not to go ahead with the Quest so be it, some might even prefer that, plus we can always make Chests reward seperate items to those already with the prize like Zelda.

If you're going to release additional NPCs in quests as a replacement for an item that you bought in the lottery, why don't you just add those NPCs to the lottery? Why would someone choose not to do a quest if the quest prize was something that they had purchased from the lottery? "It doesn't exactly make for interesting quests with basic adventure features such as backtracking if you've already got the NPC." I don't see how that logic is "like Zelda" either.

BlackSolider 04-27-2009 04:00 AM

Guess its impossible to please everyone.

Shadow87 04-27-2009 04:10 AM

I honestly didn't bother reading what Rufus had to say.

But all of this really just confirms for me this is just a dumb excuse to have people spend tickets.

I much prefer new GC prizes.

So two things.
Location = sucks, i hate going to the castle thats just me though, keep that in mind.
Prizes = Well i have a couple of those, not to interesting of a prize list to say the least.

And glad it IS possible to please everyone, but also this is how games go. Developers stick to how they want to make the game, the structure, the story, everything else to it, and they make it.

They don't take player suggestions/ideas, or playermade stuff. They make it all themselves because that is their job, and the ending product is a full game.

This is what i suggest dev do, because this stuff really is just getting pathetic, and thor i really mean no offense to you I know you are trying, that shows. But stop listening to us really, now i see it just isn't helping lol. I think you and storm need to have a sit down and really discuss what has to be done now. Create a structure to classic, get a basis and you two can go from there.

And remember, its yours and storms decision what happens with classic, DC is basically your *****, yes he can have ideas and such, but if you look at it from the view that you and storm are the managers, what you say goes right?
So again, create a story, make content based off that story, go from there, or go from whatever you have. But this stuff like the card game, and the lottery, it just isnt like the old classic and i think the best thing to do is get to that point again. This might not make sense, but hopefully Thor can get it.

MysticX2X 04-27-2009 04:11 AM

The thing about releases is that they don't please everyone. The lottery is there as an attempt to clean up tickets. If you're unsatisfied with the items, you don't necessarily have to buy a ticket or even acknowledge the lottery. It's something to look forward to on Classic at least, and better than do nothing.

Though in the end, I think Storm's idea probably was the most ideal one to go with (Thread is somewhere in the first or second page of the Classic forum).

Luda 04-27-2009 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Shadow87 (Post 1487093)
STUFFZ

wh0z 1d3a wuz dis?

1t was th0rz 1d3ait was Thor's idea
no 1 sU6635t3d it no one suggested it
no 1 @s|<3d 4 it no one asked for it
no 1 bUm][D3d as|<1n6 4 it no one bumped asking for it
$0 w|-|¥ 7|-|3 w0U1|) u $0|\/|3|-|0w c0|\|c1U|)3 7|-|47 7|-|3¥ $|-|0U1|) $70|> 1!$73|\|!|\|g 70 U$ 4|\||) $74r7 |)0!|\|g 7|-|3!r 0w|\| 7|-|!|\|g w|-|!c|-| 7|-|3¥r3 |)0!|\|g 4|\|¥w4¥
so why would u somehow conclude that they should stop listening to us and start doing their own thing, which they're doing anyway

xnervNATx 04-27-2009 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Luda (Post 1487120)
wh0z 1d3a wuz dis?

1t was th0rz 1d3ait was Thor's idea
no 1 sU6635t3d it no one suggested it
no 1 @s|<3d 4 it no one asked for it
no 1 bUm][D3d as|<1n6 4 it no one bumped asking for it
$0 w|-|¥ 7|-|3 w0U1|) u $0|\/|3|-|0w c0|\|c1U|)3 7|-|47 7|-|3¥ $|-|0U1|) $70|> 1!$73|\|!|\|g 70 U$ 4|\||) $74r7 |)0!|\|g 7|-|3!r 0w|\| 7|-|!|\|g w|-|!c|-| 7|-|3¥r3 |)0!|\|g 4|\|¥w4¥
so why would u somehow conclude that they should stop listening to us and start doing their own thing, which they're doing anyway

*lol*

Shadow87 04-27-2009 04:02 PM

Because they are telling us they are listening, and trying to, but failing miserably at it. So instead, thor and storm need to take the reigns, think of an idea, stick to it, and start barking orders and manage the real way.

Development is there to create their image.

MysticX2X 04-27-2009 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luda (Post 1487120)
wh0z 1d3a wuz dis?

1t was th0rz 1d3ait was Thor's idea
no 1 sU6635t3d it no one suggested it
no 1 @s|<3d 4 it no one asked for it
no 1 bUm][D3d as|<1n6 4 it no one bumped asking for it
$0 w|-|¥ 7|-|3 w0U1|) u $0|\/|3|-|0w c0|\|c1U|)3 7|-|47 7|-|3¥ $|-|0U1|) $70|> 1!$73|\|!|\|g 70 U$ 4|\||) $74r7 |)0!|\|g 7|-|3!r 0w|\| 7|-|!|\|g w|-|!c|-| 7|-|3¥r3 |)0!|\|g 4|\|¥w4¥
so why would u somehow conclude that they should stop listening to us and start doing their own thing, which they're doing anyway

A ticket solution was suggested for a long time.


@Tats: Thanks for making Dev sound like some slave tool.

BlackSolider 04-27-2009 07:27 PM

Managers agree on a vision of what classic should be based on input from the players along with their own thoughts, and then the dev team goes and makes it happen, no?

MysticX2X 04-28-2009 03:36 AM

That isn't how Tatsumi said it tbh but w/e.

acaremon02 04-28-2009 08:09 AM

Wow, every thread I've read with a different title is talking about the same thing.

anyways,

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Originally Posted by Luda (Post 1487076)
Lottery Prize Suggestions:
-portable horse

I like that idea.
Maybe in the prize store, we can sell different model of portable horses..
Like the mintocat horse :P

Luda 04-28-2009 09:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by acaremon02 (Post 1487338)
Wow, every thread I've read with a different title is talking about the same thing.

anyways,



I like that idea.
Maybe in the prize store, we can sell different model of portable horses..
Like the mintocat horse :P

lol i was being sarcastic :p

Shadow87 04-28-2009 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by acaremon02 (Post 1487338)
Wow, every thread I've read with a different title is talking about the same thing.

anyways,



I like that idea.
Maybe in the prize store, we can sell different model of portable horses..
Like the mintocat horse :P

Well yes, that is because I want people to get the point already :)


@Mystic- Not a slave tool, but a work force. Everyone needs to sit down for a good team building. It would seem mystic that you have never had a real job, because any job, in a game that you don't get money for working on, or at an actual job you get paid for, there still always is a boss. DA BOSS! So in our case, Thor, and sadly, Storm. Development is lead by DC, who is UNDER Storm and Thor. Thor and Storm should be creating the concepts, even DC, creating a structure as i type this, that is what should be going on right now. I doubt that it is, but all in all, Development is a staff division under DC, who is under thor and storm. GC, under Night, who is under Thor and Storm. Ranger, under those two, and Stryker, under those two. Really thor and storm could control all the divisions if they really wanted to, but that is quite the load to handle. So they have 4 people to do that for them.

So again, not a slave team, but a staff division/work force. Come on , you should know that.

And Gladius, Managers should create the image for classic, what its going to be about. They should not be taking input from players...look where it got us. They should create the structure, and then yes, Development should make it. IF not that, what is development here for?


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