and if olwest is getting a thread made about it, it is obviously standing out from the crowd ALSO. The scripts are pretty much in place last time I checked, you don't have to idle on RC to do the rest of the dev work. You unknown are judging by player activity not development activity

Well lets settle this like civilized people, give us proof that they are working at least Maloria is working show me one updated thing from the past 2 months. I dare you to find something that was not there two months ago.

Newest update:

11/27/07 by Mag<br>Bullets have been slowed down. Votes to slow bullets = 36, votes to keep them fast = 2. The Rusty Pistol has been restored to its last backed up state. Sorry if it isn't recent and for any losses. Also, there's a 35% fee of the downpayment to stock an item for every two hours that item is out of stock. So, if the downpayment was $100 to produce, your shop will be fined $35 every two hours it's out of stoc



or go to the server and try their website.

They don't have to post current things on the site, the updater hasn't been active for a very long time even when they did updates they didn't post it there. I don't think Mag can even get RC to work right

It's not by making a thread/poll like this one about Ol'West that it will actually get kicked from the hosted tab. You're not the one to decide if Ol'West is actually any good or bad, nor to decide what to do with it.

If it had been Crono who made this thread, and he has made a similar thread in the past, I know for a fact that the majority of you would not be talking as much crap to him as you are to Unkownsoldier (if at all) so cut it out. He brought up a viable point, and in no way suggested that he himself was going to take the server down. We all know that he doesn't have the power to, but that doesn't change the topic of discussion which is Ol' West's position as a hosted server.

Why would it matter if crono made the thread? I was under the impression it was to take it down as the poll was should ol west stay on hosted list, I mean call me crazy but that makes it sound like he thinks we have a vote in things

There should be an "I don't care" option for the poll.

I thought that was obvious?

A poll is an easy outlet for analyzing mass views, and the majority of the people who gave their opinion via the poll didn't post in the thread, because it's easier and heck, you even voted yourself. I don't see what difference it makes, it's a thread and a poll about a subject that someone has an opinion on, some people agree and some people disagree. There is no need to argue about how little people's opinions matter because in the server development business it does matter. People need to start discussing why they felt the need to vote, rather than just argue that their vote or thread means nothing, because if I'm a server owner and some people feel that my server needs to be taken down, I want to know why. If I already know why people feel like my server needs to be taken down and haven't addressed it then there are others that need to know why.

I think mag is considered the owner right now I know he's incharge of dev currently so talk to him instead of bashing him..offtopic but is abashing a word what does it mean? I almost used that

I posted my opinion and I didn't bash the owner of the server, it's not that hard.

No but Unknown made the thread and he isn't giving constructive comments just lul no updates

Wait, you're telling people not to bash, yet you do not know what it means yourself?

no I know what bashing means what does abashing means the same thing?

I'm still waiting to hear the point.

both maloria and babylon have been on classic before and were removed, if there weren't players to play those servers when graals player count was higher i doubt there are players to play them now.

Babylon had a playercount for a while, it was mainly lost when a bad manager took over (if I remember correctly).

It's not really about the servers, it's about the players not wanting to work on servers that have finished a lot of content.
Everyone wants to work on Classic servers, or make their own servers, or work on their friend(s) server.
That's how ****ty it is!
If people were to start working on servers that allready have a lot of content, we'd always get new servers on the classic tab.

Just because you fail to get staff for AEON doesn't make any of that true, I have quite a talented and dedicated staff team on Maloria.

Hmm, maybe you didn't read everything what i said.
I quote myself: "or work on their friend(s) server."
Ofcourse it's not hard for YOU to get staff, You are well known on Graal and have a many many friends on Graal (most of them developers aswell).

I didn't know who Ziro was and I worked for him on Mythic, the server expired while I was working on a project so it failed epic but still.

Hardly any of the people currently working on Maloria was my "friend",

Mythic never expired, I changed it to Maloria. It didn't fail either, just put on hold for now, still have all backups.

No I mean my project failed hard because you changed it back to mal

:S

I loved Ol'West and still do... Its very unique and fun (or was when it had 20 some players/day

They just need more to keep the players staying on, and redoing the Gmap then stopping 3 levels in leaving half of the buildings out isn't helping...

I asked to help do levels but it was too much of a hassle.

Story Time!:

1. Filled out forum apps, was accepted by Silent, Tig never added RC
2. Made a NEW app for mag, was accepted by mag (after one of his 8 hour brbs) but i said wait till i get back from vacation, a weekend later he didnt even know who i was and refused to grant me RC (lay off the booze?)
3. Made Mag yet ANOTHER app, (better than the other two imo, i had more experience with the tileset by then) and he said ok let me add it (another 8 hour brb) and he never replies then i ask him if hes there and he yells at me so i said forget it.

>:O

where is the "I dont care" poll?

Don't be an ass, it's as simple as ignore the thread.

Lawl, It also took me like a month getting RC for my job.. But who cares? He just has a busy life, respect it

I'm not at all interested in the server. I voted no.

Alright with all you, I did not post this thread for a debate on who's servers are better, or any of that. My point was simple to see if Ol' West is actually making a difference in population count towards Graalonline. There are other player made servers that are not on the hosted tab and get way more people which attracts other people. A dead server is a dead server and I hate to tell you guys Ol' West is dead. Also they would post updates because this happens if they don't.

But you do realize that you don't have a clue whats the point with "Hosted Tab"?
Any server could get to the Hosted Tab, it's not like it's making it harder for the "other servers" to get on the hosted tab.
The server have a lot of content, they still pay for the server. This is just stupid!

No, you must apply to be on the server tab and have a well developed server. I could easily make a server right now and have one level and it would never be on that tab. You may be an "Admin" of a server but owning a server and owning a server on the hosted tab are two different animals. First off they are almost ready for classic otherwise I can tell you way more servers would be on hosted. Even speak with the playerworld admin.

No, you need to have playable content that will make your visit last around 2 hours at minimum.

True.

Well hello there, talk about nagging!
Like you didn't know what I mean.
By "Any server" I mean, requirements are low. It's not like it's as hard as classic tab inspection to get to the hosted tab!

Hosted Tab requirements are low. Really any server could get there, just look at Graal Legacy (I think it was called, it's dead now though)
They got to the Hosted Tab!
Ofcourse you need stuff on your server, but if the server have nice levels, nice scripts, no stolen stuff, enough content... it will easily pass!

Hosted Tab is really just there to help the servers, make it easier for them to get staff... show their work for public.
If following the rules, servers could really be there how long time they want.
As for as I know theres no "timelimit" for hosted tab.
So if a server pays, like in this case, it doesn't get "thrown away" from the hosted tab.

If this is such a big deal for you, why dont you just read the hosted tab requirements and make a server? Seems to me like you are a bit jealous of Ol'West.

and hey; between you and me... I have a "little" bit experience ;)

Vima let me tell you something, you may have been a great Events Team Admin on Dark Rival I mean I was an events staff while you were eta but you see not to change the subject if requirements are so low how come that was not on the hosted tab. Also having events team with out being classic I heard was illegal unless you are testing systems such as GPs you cant have FAQs ect..

I imagine if a person with the right qualifications and determination talked to Tig, he would hand over the project to them.

That's somewhat true and somewhat not.

Keep in mind that you pay for these servers, so if you pay to hire a bunch of people for no reason, they won't try too hard to stop you.

They're really just trying to discourage people from hiring tons of unneeded staff members.

It's actually true that any server with enough content can, and will, be added on the Hosted tab IF they themselves apply for it. I for one, don't plan on applying for Hosted with Maloria, since I think it'll kill the excitement once (and if) we pass a Classic inspection. We have some pretty nifty things in store that I'd rather release in a big bang. :)

It would be actually totally awesome to see a server unknown to people go directly to classic without being hosted at all =P I bet they would totally beat the max playercount the first day.

There is also the factor of what happened on Moon Light were every staff kept resetting each other. I was Admin there at the time and I could no do a thing because all the other staff had the same rights I had which was bad because I had almost every right.

You need to get your facts straight!
If you really want to hear a little bit about my history:
Dark Rival was about what? 3-4 years old? I was an Admin there, I really don't had anything to do with Events Staff.
Dark Rival was going to apply to Hosted Tab, (Which means I BY THEN KNEW THE REQUIREMENTS.)
but because of that I left Dark Rival, it had a hard time getting staff and sooner it died.
I began working on Faded Nation. I was an admin, managing the server with JoshDevious.
This server was also close to Hosted Tab, nearly applying. (Which means I READ THE REQUIREMENTS.)
Faded Nation merged with AEON, I'm one of the people who is managing the server with Napo & Hatred. Who is probably the only server atm close to sending an classic inspection ticket, which also means. I'VE READ THE REQUIREMENTS.

I really don't know why the guy who made this thread wants it to go "Off Topic"
If you want to get your facts straight, know a little bit more stuff about me: PM me.
I don't understand why you want this thread to go Off Topic.


If you wonder, I'm not defending Ol' West because I like Tig.
Infact Tig and I have a history of just... fighting.
I'm defending Ol' West because it's wrong to demand the server to be taken off the hosted tab, when the server meets the requirements!