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IXIs_Last_Stand 11-11-2007 11:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Tracker180 (Post 1357916)
/facepalm x2

most of the people that voted probably don't even play Zone no more :/
Wedge you hardly play Zone.

Frieza 11-11-2007 11:59 PM
wedge and crono are most against it and they are the ones who hardly play anymore

Crono 11-12-2007 12:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Frieza (Post 1357932)
wedge and crono are most against it and they are the ones who hardly play anymore
Against what? I voted for mouse click to be removed but I'm not "most against it". :P

Tracker180 11-12-2007 01:39 AM
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Originally Posted by IXIs_Last_Stand (Post 1357930)
Wedge you hardly play Zone.
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Originally Posted by Frieza (Post 1357932)
wedge and crono are most against it and they are the ones who hardly play anymore
I play it more than I play anything else :/

Frieza 11-12-2007 02:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Gerami (Post 1357948)
Against what? I voted for mouse click to be removed but I'm not "most against it". :P
then it must be in your blood to argue and criticize!

and tracker...i never see you...

Googi 11-12-2007 02:45 AM
Someone explain to me how mouse-clicking is more "lame" than strafing?

Tracker180 11-12-2007 02:57 AM
lol, I was on when you won that deathmatch round, mister "Sacred Frieza"

Crono 11-12-2007 03:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Googi (Post 1357969)
Someone explain to me how mouse-clicking is more "lame" than strafing?
The way I see it, with mouse clicking you can still sprint in any direction you want, while when you're strafing you can't sprint period. Aiming is also much easier as it's more or less instant and doesn't really require you to move around.

I can just feel that it's much easier when I use it. I don't think its too fair for older players but then again its kind of hard to say YA REMOVE DIS because everyone can indeed use it.

jkool666 11-12-2007 05:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Gerami (Post 1357972)
The way I see it, with mouse clicking you can still sprint in any direction you want, while when you're strafing you can't sprint period. Aiming is also much easier as it's more or less instant and doesn't really require you to move around.

I can just feel that it's much easier when I use it. I don't think its too fair for older players but then again its kind of hard to say YA REMOVE DIS because everyone can indeed use it.
Well thats not the problem...
The problem with it is that it has random angles while shooting. Example, if I hold down and left, then I am going to always shoot at the same angle, and the bullets will fly in the same path. But when you mouseclick down/left, the angle of the bullets alteres making it impossible to know what way there coming from until the gun actually fires. A fast gun at short range this is extremely difficult...

anubis_wing 11-12-2007 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by jkool666 (Post 1357978)
A fast gun at short range this is extremely difficult...
Apripper

Frieza 11-12-2007 07:19 PM
yeah the angles are the main problem, ithink if that was sorted mouse click wouldnt be so bad.

Knight 11-13-2007 12:18 AM
I think you just seriously deal with it, you have the option to do so. Seriously just shop whining already >_> I've had more intelligent conversations with someone on UN and Classic who I won't name that is probably only 12.

Maybe we should "Fluff" you Frieza >:o?

Frieza 11-13-2007 12:22 AM
no, you dont understand, when u play a game for a long time and its runed in one decision, its just not cool, so go have your intelligent convos with 12 year olds on UN, and ill stay right here arguing my point.

Nefir 11-13-2007 12:45 AM
Well just try to kill someone fleeing and mouse clicking with a fast and freezing gun (EP), it's unfair because he can dodge your bullets and one click and bam he gets you and he can continue to flee and lame. While you can see someone who will shoot (cause he have to turn) it's more fun to follow this person as he cannot lame you as easily

UnknownMasterMind 11-13-2007 01:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Knight (Post 1358088)
I think you just seriously deal with it, you have the option to do so. Seriously just shop whining already >_> I've had more intelligent conversations with someone on UN and Classic who I won't name that is probably only 12.
I hear you say, that since everyone can do it, its fair. I want to know if you played Zone before mouse clicking, and if so how long? (After you answer this, I will tell you why it is relevant.)

The reason we are mad, is it changes the general gameplay of Zone, from the old to a newer easier way of fighting. And this isn't the first change to Zone that we have disagreed with, I personally just don't want them to change it anymore, they have changed alot already, and one thing I don't want is this, changes in gameplay, and combat.

Deserted 11-13-2007 03:22 AM
The only thing I want changed, are the Number of Events, more then 3-5 active staff and new guns, its just boring without all this :/

jkool666 11-13-2007 03:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Knight (Post 1358088)
I think you just seriously deal with it, you have the option to do so. Seriously just shop whining already >_> I've had more intelligent conversations with someone on UN and Classic who I won't name that is probably only 12.

Maybe we should "Fluff" you Frieza >:o?
*Sighs*
Zone is a game where you can shoot in 8 different directions. Thats the point of zone, a 2D game where every single player (no matter what game controller they use) can shoot 8 ways. Well sorry, people who use mouse have the option of shooting 12 different ways giving them an extremely unfair advantage.

How many people here have heard of a game that gives benefits based on what type of controller you use? Sounds kinda stupid if you ask me...

UnknownMasterMind 11-13-2007 03:26 AM
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Originally Posted by jkool666 (Post 1358114)
*Sighs*
First off... Zone is a game where you can shoot in 8 different directions. Thats the point of zone, a 2D game where every single player (no matter what game controller they use) can shoot 8 ways. Well sorry, people who use mouse have the option of shooting 12 different ways giving them an extremely unfair advantage.

How many people here have heard of a game that gives benefits based on what type of controller you use? Sounds kinda stupid if you ask me...
You words, were like arrows of truth, raining down on the unspecting, army of confusion.

In other words, that pretty much says it all.

Deserted 11-13-2007 03:28 AM
O_O'

Wow, you guys are really into this thing ;)
Anyway, I agree 100%, Stefan, please just heed this warning.....

We...don't.....like.....the.....mouse....clickers x.x

Switch 11-13-2007 03:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Knight (Post 1358088)
I've had more intelligent conversations with someone on UN and Classic who I won't name that is probably only 12.
Thank you, thank you ALL!

DustyPorViva 11-13-2007 04:46 AM
To those who keep saying "you have the option to do it too, so either do it or stop complaining," I'd just like to say:
The key to an online game is balance. For one option, the other option has to be equally fair, or try to be. On an RPG game, there could be one race that is way more powerful than the next... now to all the other races, they constantly die to that powerful race, and they complain. Sure, some would say, "you have the option to be that race, so it's fair"... is a dumb logic. In that case everyone would have to be that race just so the game would be fair, so why give the option of other races? So in the end, the logical solution would be to balance out the more powerful race with the others. The same applies here, just because it's possible for everyone to do doesn't make it fair. It should be balanced with the other options of control... or deleted.

Switch 11-13-2007 04:52 AM
2/3 or 1/2 damage? ;)

Frieza 11-13-2007 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by DustyPorViva (Post 1358131)
To those who keep saying "you have the option to do it too, so either do it or stop complaining," I'd just like to say:
The key to an online game is balance. For one option, the other option has to be equally fair, or try to be. On an RPG game, there could be one race that is way more powerful than the next... now to all the other races, they constantly die to that powerful race, and they complain. Sure, some would say, "you have the option to be that race, so it's fair"... is a dumb logic. In that case everyone would have to be that race just so the game would be fair, so why give the option of other races? So in the end, the logical solution would be to balance out the more powerful race with the others. The same applies here, just because it's possible for everyone to do doesn't make it fair. It should be balanced with the other options of control... or deleted.
good analogie, its like imagine if they sddenly gve era 8 directions, all the era players who have become awesome in 4d shooting would complain, well zone has just been driven to 12 directions so 8d users, standing by the TRUE zone fighting style, are obv complaining.

Knight 11-13-2007 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by UnknownMasterMind (Post 1358104)
I hear you say, that since everyone can do it, its fair. I want to know if you played Zone before mouse clicking, and if so how long? (After you answer this, I will tell you why it is relevant.)

The reason we are mad, is it changes the general gameplay of Zone, from the old to a newer easier way of fighting. And this isn't the first change to Zone that we have disagreed with, I personally just don't want them to change it anymore, they have changed alot already, and one thing I don't want is this, changes in gameplay, and combat.
Yeah I started Zone a few months after it came out but I mainly just went around shooting people and didn't get into it much, and after that I played on and off. I got pretty good but I never actually ever update my gold subscription on one account I always buy a new account so it was always changing. I was gone for 6 months from Zone and came back recently on my other account Quake because of the new weird subscriptions. I click occasionally on and off and it isn't that different. When someone is clicking me I just strafe or avoid them and shoot from far back, maybe pull out mags or double shot... I am doing just fine.




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Originally Posted by DustyPorViva (Post 1358131)
To those who keep saying "you have the option to do it too, so either do it or stop complaining," I'd just like to say:
The key to an online game is balance. For one option, the other option has to be equally fair, or try to be. On an RPG game, there could be one race that is way more powerful than the next... now to all the other races, they constantly die to that powerful race, and they complain. Sure, some would say, "you have the option to be that race, so it's fair"... is a dumb logic. In that case everyone would have to be that race just so the game would be fair, so why give the option of other races? So in the end, the logical solution would be to balance out the more powerful race with the others. The same applies here, just because it's possible for everyone to do doesn't make it fair. It should be balanced with the other options of control... or deleted.

OK I am sorry but the mentality it took to say that... Where is your logic? You cannot compare races to the ability to click and shoot...? Honestly, where did this come from? People can click, on other games when you try to be another race it usually either requires something special OR there are tactics to each race. This is adding a different element to the game that apparently some cannot handle, it is a different type of shooting that you can do as is there are no requirements but the ability to move your mouse. It is fine, maybe we should delete you instead? This is honestly getting outrageous...

Frieza 11-13-2007 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Knight (Post 1358232)
Yeah I started Zone a few months after it came out but I mainly just went around shooting people and didn't get into it much, and after that I played on and off. I got pretty good but I never actually ever update my gold subscription on one account I always buy a new account so it was always changing. I was gone for 6 months from Zone and came back recently on my other account Quake because of the new weird subscriptions. I click occasionally on and off and it isn't that different. When someone is clicking me I just strafe or avoid them and shoot from far back, maybe pull out mags or double shot... I am doing just fine.







OK I am sorry but the mentality it took to say that... Where is your logic? You cannot compare races to the ability to click and shoot...? Honestly, where did this come from? People can click, on other games when you try to be another race it usually either requires something special OR there are tactics to each race. This is adding a different element to the game that apparently some cannot handle, it is a different type of shooting that you can do as is there are no requirements but the ability to move your mouse. It is fine, maybe we should delete you instead? This is honestly getting outrageous...
1. you do not, and can not understand our point if you do not have or understand our fighting style which is pretty much natural to us long term players, so you really have no say since my argument dosent include you

2. im pretty sure mouse click hasent been out that long

3 you can compare it to races because its a style of fighting just as a race/abilities would be, its the same princaple, you act asif your smart but really you have no clue what your on about. mouse click has ruined zone and if you didnt even know what zone was like beforehand then shut up acting asif you did, it obviosly can not concern you. idiot.

DustyPorViva 11-13-2007 07:46 PM
You can easily compare races to control. Why? Because they are decisions in an online game that can control the outcome of your avatar. In this case, one of the decisions leads to an unbalanced gameplay... thus, just like an unbalanced race in an RPG, one of the options has to be balanced out. If the mouse movement mimicked keyboard movement, then it would just be 'the ability to move with your mouse", but it's not; there is a clear advantage of choosing one over the other. And in standard online game management, telling everyone to choose the best option because they can is not the solution, they should just fix it. By the by, you said it yourself, it is a different element of the game, and every element should at least be attempted to be balanced.
Also, nice touch with the whole delete me bit, I haven't heard that one before! You really know how to back up your statements.

firefury 11-13-2007 08:14 PM
Look. Guys, i RARELY, and i mean reaallly rarely go to these stupid forum things. but this mouse clicking, is bull****. Every god darn time i try to right click someone to see their profile i shoot them... Its so god damn annoying. It totally ruins every tactic known to zone.

~Peace.

Frieza 11-13-2007 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by firefury (Post 1358243)
Look. Guys, i RARELY, and i mean reaallly rarely go to these stupid forum things. but this mouse clicking, is bull****. Every god darn time i try to right click someone to see their profile i shoot them... Its so god damn annoying. It totally ruins every tactic known to zone.

~Peace.
i hate to blow you out like this but you can turn it off in the shop XD

jkool666 11-13-2007 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Knight (Post 1358232)
Blah Blah Blah I'm still argueing for mouse clicking
Do you even read?
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Originally Posted by jkool666 (Post 1358114)
*Sighs*
Zone is a game where you can shoot in 8 different directions. Thats the point of zone, a 2D game where every single player (no matter what game controller they use) can shoot 8 ways. Well sorry, people who use mouse have the option of shooting 12 different ways giving them an extremely unfair advantage.

How many people here have heard of a game that gives benefits based on what type of controller you use? Sounds kinda stupid if you ask me...
That was on page 4, and I'm sorry, but to be blunt.... that post completely pwns your side of the arguement. Unless your an idiot, you can't disagree with the logic I have stated.

Frieza 11-14-2007 12:21 AM
all in all i think mouse click is pretty unpopuler, and hopefully will be ABOLISHED! stupid mouse clicking nazis!

Knight 11-14-2007 12:35 AM
Thanks Frieza misquoting me must be a hobby of yours? Of course I understand your fighting style, you just won't accept any opinion that doesn't go along with yours. Of course mouse click hasn't been out that long, we all know that but it has been a bit. There is no way they can be compared to races, not to mention you're letting this spark up tension between us. This is a debate not an argument, keep it clean.

DustyPorViva 11-14-2007 12:38 AM
Heh, keep it clean, a debate not an argument? Aren't you the one who mentioned deleting me because you didn't agree with what I said(which I had said nothing directly to anyone about anything)?

Tracker180 11-14-2007 02:19 AM
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Originally Posted by jkool666 (Post 1358262)
Do you even read?

That was on page 4, and I'm sorry, but to be blunt.... that post completely pwns your side of the arguement. Unless your an idiot, you can't disagree with the logic I have stated.
he doesn't and he is

anubis_wing 11-14-2007 02:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Knight (Post 1358274)
Thanks Frieza misquoting me must be a hobby of yours? Of course I understand your fighting style, you just won't accept any opinion that doesn't go along with yours. Of course mouse click hasn't been out that long, we all know that but it has been a bit. There is no way they can be compared to races, not to mention you're letting this spark up tension between us. This is a debate not an argument, keep it clean.
You are a complete hipocrit, you refuse to accept any opinion that isn't yours and what's more you make pitiful arguements.
What Dusty said was an incredibly accurate analogy (bravo) and what you said showed how absolutely tiny your mind is. He wasn't saying they were the exact same thing it's what they represent.

I'll explain the analogy so your tiny little mind MAY understand it. Mouse clicking is the overpowered race, it's available to everyone, but people like to be diverse and try something else. When the people who like to try something else are tired of the overpowered race and complain, the people who don't want the overpowered*ness* race to change they say "Well if you say it's so overpowered, then why don't you be one so you can't complain" thus defeating the purpose of any other races i.e Styles of fighting. This was his point.

By the way, the mouse click shooting has been out for about 2 weeks.

Switch 11-14-2007 02:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Frieza (Post 1358241)
he proberly got it from his highly intelectual one on one private chats with 12 year olds...in his bedroom
I dislike you to a great extent. 12 year olds aren't dumb like you talk about them being. Yes, they may be less intelligent, but they aren't dumb. Take it from someone who is 12 and is doing the same math work his sister is, and she's in 9th grade and he's in 7th grade.
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anywhodles dusty is right, her analogie mde perfect sence.
DAMN RIGHT DUSTY'S RIGHT! And even the "dumb people" understand the damn analogie >_<

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Originally Posted by Knight (Post 1358274)
Thanks Frieza misquoting me must be a hobby of yours? Of course I understand your fighting style, you just won't accept any opinion that doesn't go along with yours. Of course mouse click hasn't been out that long, we all know that but it has been a bit. There is no way they can be compared to races, not to mention you're letting this spark up tension between us. This is a debate not an argument, keep it clean.
This is coming from the mind of a 5 year old that knows how to talk like a 17 year old.

anubis_wing 11-14-2007 03:12 AM
It isn't analogie it's analogy, spell it right sheesh.

Knight 11-14-2007 04:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Switch;
This is coming from the mind of a 5 year old that knows how to talk like a 17 year old.
So are you trying to call me a child prodigy? Thanks!




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Originally Posted by DustyPorViva (Post 1358275)
Heh, keep it clean, a debate not an argument? Aren't you the one who mentioned deleting me because you didn't agree with what I said(which I had said nothing directly to anyone about anything)?
That's called a joke.




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Originally Posted by anubis_wing (Post 1358289)
You are a complete hipocrit, you refuse to accept any opinion that isn't yours and what's more you make pitiful arguements.
What Dusty said was an incredibly accurate analogy (bravo) and what you said showed how absolutely tiny your mind is. He wasn't saying they were the exact same thing it's what they represent.

I'll explain the analogy so your tiny little mind MAY understand it. Mouse clicking is the overpowered race, it's available to everyone, but people like to be diverse and try something else. When the people who like to try something else are tired of the overpowered race and complain, the people who don't want the overpowered*ness* race to change they say "Well if you say it's so overpowered, then why don't you be one so you can't complain" thus defeating the purpose of any other races i.e Styles of fighting. This was his point.

By the way, the mouse click shooting has been out for about 2 weeks.
BUT it isn't overpowered. I already told Frieza in game that clicking should stay for the regular angels, but I can careless if the remove the extra angels. I've supported that part all along. So technically I think the extra few angels should be removed, which isn't really overpowered. You really should stop being so rude. By the way not trying to be mean but how can you make fun of my "tiny little mind" when you spelled hypocrite wrong...? Then you try to correct him for spelling analogy wrong... Oh well, this whole mess has proved my point about some people not being able to debate without tension sparking : /

jkool666 11-14-2007 07:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Knight (Post 1358322)
BUT it isn't overpowered. I already told Frieza in game that clicking should stay for the regular angels, but I can careless if the remove the extra angels. I've supported that part all along.
Couldn't you have said that originally? (Unless you did somewhere and I missed it, which I doubt)

Knight 11-14-2007 07:20 AM
I've massed it on Zone a few times, I've tried to tell certain people who will just shut me out since I don't agree with them. I just think a lot of you guys are taking it a bit to seriously, a lot of people hate me now lol. But I mean a ton of you guys show way to much disrespect towards someone for pointless reasons.

anubis_wing 11-14-2007 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Knight (Post 1358322)
I already told Frieza in game that clicking should stay for the regular angels, but I can careless if the remove the extra angels. I've supported that part all along. So technically I think the extra few angels should be removed, which isn't really overpowered.
You agree that it's overpowered, you say you don't but agreeing that it gives an unfair advantage and needs to be changed, yeah that's kinda the thing everyone has been saying this entire....damn....thread.
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Originally Posted by Knight (Post 1358322)
I've massed it on Zone a few times, I've tried to tell certain people who will just shut me out since I don't agree with them. I just think a lot of you guys are taking it a bit to seriously, a lot of people hate me now lol. But I mean a ton of you guys show way to much disrespect towards someone for pointless reasons.
That isn't really even remotely the same as talking about it on the forums, a lot of people don't read masses or don't go on when you actually mass or are on, then you come on here and insult someone because of something they said, and you tell people to take it seriously when YOU obviously made an attack on them, I don't think so mister.
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Originally Posted by Knight (Post 1358322)
You really should stop being so rude. By the way not trying to be mean but how can you make fun of my "tiny little mind" when you spelled hypocrite wrong...? Then you try to correct him for spelling analogy wrong... Oh well, this whole mess has proved my point about some people not being able to debate without tension sparking : /
The only reason I'm being so rude is because of how you act towards other people. I always have had trouble with Hypocrite but now I know how to spell it, so whatever. The fact is you started arguements by insulting people outright, using insults to prove they're wrong. Also, you can't be sarcastic or tell jokes on the internet unless you make it apparently specific that it was a joke, everyone should know that.


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