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kia345 07-28-2007 03:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Black_Wallstreet (Post 1334943)
Also, me and SN have worked on many idea's to pursuade Stefan and Unix to changing the way of Zone.

It's going to take more than two people to change anything, get Zone's entire population to say something about it, that will make a difference.

Black_Wallstreet 07-28-2007 05:09 AM

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Originally Posted by kia345 (Post 1334962)
It's going to take more than two people to change anything, get Zone's entire population to say something about it, that will make a difference.

Im not going to force people to do what they dont want to. Me and SN have plenty of ideas, and if you could read, than you would know Jo and other members have already stated they would help.

Huwajux 07-28-2007 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by kia345 (Post 1334962)
It's going to take more than two people to change anything, get Zone's entire population to say something about it, that will make a difference.

No. It won't.

Ravenblade1979 07-28-2007 03:12 PM

Look it comes down to the guest account. Trials can't play after so many hours so they disappear. And then the ones with p2p start getting pwned and leave.

one of two things need to happen.

Take away guest account for zone (and make sure they can't use the damn shop)

and

Put this server down to classic for a few months, work on the guest account issue, take away the shop while its down on classic cept maybe keep the p2p accounts up for sale. Then when enough interest is back put it back on gold.

kia345 07-28-2007 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Huwajux (Post 1335009)
No. It won't.

Two people getting on and voicing their opinions will change something that's making money? I doubt it.

Black_Wallstreet 07-28-2007 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979 (Post 1335021)
Look it comes down to the guest account. Trials can't play after so many hours so they disappear. And then the ones with p2p start getting pwned and leave.

one of two things need to happen.

Take away guest account for zone (and make sure they can't use the damn shop)

and

Put this server down to classic for a few months, work on the guest account issue, take away the shop while its down on classic cept maybe keep the p2p accounts up for sale. Then when enough interest is back put it back on gold.

This wont work, although I do like how you are actually trying to help the game instead of complaing *cough (Kia). Players didnt leave because they got "owned", they left because the trials left. Zone's playercount used to be in the 30's (?), before V5. If you remove the trials, you're down to about 20 or so. Most people quit once the playercount reached that low.

Ravenblade1979 07-28-2007 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Black_Wallstreet (Post 1335044)
This wont work, although I do like how you are actually trying to help the game instead of complaing *cough (Kia). Players didnt leave because they got "owned", they left because the trials left. Zone's playercount used to be in the 30's (?), before V5. If you remove the trials, you're down to about 20 or so. Most people quit once the playercount reached that low.

Actually it was admitted that since they couldn't lame and could get killed now they decided to leave.

Black_Wallstreet 07-28-2007 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979 (Post 1335045)
Actually it was admitted that since they couldn't lame and could get killed now they decided to leave.

Who stated this?

If that is true, than I hate the new Zone community even more than the old one.

Dante55555 07-28-2007 06:09 PM

Most Zone P2Ps left not because there wasn't any trials around anymore, but because everyone else whined so much about it that they though they would join in. They saw the oppertunaty to be all "Strike! We won't play Zone anymore!" hoping that would turn Stefans head.. Stupid children know nothing of persuasion.

Crono 07-28-2007 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979 (Post 1335045)
Actually it was admitted that since they couldn't lame and could get killed now they decided to leave.

Yeah I'm sure every player said this.

Without trials the place is too empty to enjoy. Without trials, you're up against people who are roughly on your level of skill. That means you have long ass 1v1 fights on arctic/spar which is NOT fun. No trials = no fun.

And before you say it, this isn't the same thing as "couldn't lame and could get killed now" statement.

Ravenblade1979 07-28-2007 08:58 PM

then fix the guest account to put it back to trial. don't give trials access to the zone shop besides buying a p2p account and hopefully that will work.

Knightmare1 07-28-2007 09:04 PM

you know wat, they should get rid of that *** observer, and make it like it used to be, noobs come in, they die, they play for another 6 or 7 hours, and become soilders or Vetrans.

Ravenblade1979 07-28-2007 09:51 PM

obsserver mode is part of the guest account thing.

Dante55555 07-28-2007 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Knightmare1 (Post 1335090)
you know wat, they should get rid of that *** observer, and make it like it used to be, noobs come in, they die, they play for another 6 or 7 hours, and become soilders or Vetrans.

You know what? No one ever though of it that way! lol..

pooper200000 07-29-2007 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Dante55555 (Post 1335050)
Most Zone P2Ps left not because there wasn't any trials around anymore, but because everyone else whined so much about it that they though they would join in. They saw the oppertunaty to be all "Strike! We won't play Zone anymore!" hoping that would turn Stefans head.. Stupid children know nothing of persuasion.

Umm don't be too sure :eek:

kia345 07-29-2007 12:59 AM

Civil disobedience never got anyone anywhere, where's Ghandi today?

You guys got to revolt not boycott

bahamutstevetff 07-29-2007 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by kia345 (Post 1335128)
Civil disobedience never got anyone anywhere, where's Ghandi today?

in the history books.

kia345 07-29-2007 02:37 AM

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Originally Posted by bahamutstevetff (Post 1335137)
in the history books.

Yeah but the chapter on Robert Edward Lee is way bigger

anubis_wing 07-29-2007 12:28 PM

I think that it should be that people who have payed but P2P ran out, get the same trial mode as before v5 and those who have never payed on their account stick with the current trial mode.

UnknownMasterMind 07-29-2007 03:36 PM

Raven... I can assure you the mast majority did not leave because they can not lame trials, they left for one reason alone, they hated V5 or they moved to a different Server since Zone had such a low playercount. Its not hard to find out where alot of players have gone, look at GK's playercount, thats where some of Zone's p2ps went. Also, you have been saying the same thing and suggesting the same idea almost every post you make, so please post a new idea and/or reason.

On to topic, Jin still has the biggest ego I have ever seen, but thats why we all love him. <3

And about these ideas, it would be nice if you could post a few, also I think if you guys do try to bring the server back without staff, it will be very difficult, but you may be able to do it.

P.S.
I'll post on the forums from time to time. And also, Zone's playercount is only 2-3 now!? Wow... Thats crazy. No more Sincerely.

kia345 07-29-2007 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Black_Wallstreet (Post 1335044)
(Kia)

Remember, it's not just me, it's most of Zone that's complaining. I'm game for helping, but nothing's happened yet.

Crow 07-29-2007 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by kia345 (Post 1334962)
It's going to take more than two people to change anything, get Zone's entire population to say something about it, that will make a difference.

Sure? Everything about Zone was changed when v5 was out, and only 2-3 were needed :rolleyes:

kia345 07-29-2007 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Crow (Post 1335220)
Sure? Everything about Zone was changed when v5 was out, and only 2-3 were needed :rolleyes:

They had the incentive of money, but do you really think they'd see just two people complaining and say "We don't need this money, let's change what's buying us bread"?

Dante55555 07-29-2007 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by UnknownMasterMind (Post 1335215)
Raven... I can assure you the mast majority did not leave because they can not lame trials, they left for one reason alone, they hated V5 or they moved to a different Server since Zone had such a low playercount. Its not hard to find out where alot of players have gone, look at GK's playercount, thats where some of Zone's p2ps went. Also, you have been saying the same thing and suggesting the same idea almost every post you make, so please post a new idea and/or reason.

On to topic, Jin still has the biggest ego I have ever seen, but thats why we all love him. <3

And about these ideas, it would be nice if you could post a few, also I think if you guys do try to bring the server back without staff, it will be very difficult, but you may be able to do it.

P.S.
I'll post on the forums from time to time. And also, Zone's playercount is only 2-3 now!? Wow... Thats crazy. No more Sincerely.

I was under the impression you was gone for good. I'm hella glad to see that your still on the forums. GET ON MSN! :)

Oh yeah, back on topic. Well despite so nay sayers, we desided we are gonna give this Guild Wars thing a try. If it fails, oh well.. Can't hurt really now can it?

The Guild is called "Guild Wars" it is set into two teams, Heroic and Demonic. Team leaders are me and Anubis now unless someone else wants to take control. Everyone is welcome to join. JOIN MY SIDE! :D..

http://graalonline.com/guilds/viewguild?full=0&gid=8564

xAzerothx 07-29-2007 06:35 PM

Question...where are you going to get 20 active zone players to join your guilds?

Huwajux 07-29-2007 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by kia345 (Post 1335027)
Two people getting on and voicing their opinions will change something that's making money? I doubt it.

I never said that. I said that getting Zone's entire population to say something will not help.

kia345 07-29-2007 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Huwajux (Post 1335248)
I never said that. I said that getting Zone's entire population to say something will not help.

It will have a bigger effect than just two people.

Switch 07-29-2007 08:06 PM

I'm in.
The reason no one plays is mostly the gelat shop. It's not fair if u get killed by someone who has chainsaw for 14 days straight, now, is it? That's why I think the daages should be lowered for weps in the shop. also, put the ammos back. putting them in the gela shop is completely unfair.

Tracker180 07-30-2007 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Black_Wallstreet (Post 1334644)
I am better than any trial you can name. I am also better than most, if not all p2p's. However, their are a few exceptions. But that is beside the point...

No one left because of being lamed, they left because of v5. No one wants to play with half a screen and only a few classes to choose from, not to mention the limited time they get.

Once the trials left, the playercoutn went with it. Zone never had an unusually high playercount to begin with, once you remove the trials, it's over!

1)to start out, not gonna argue on this

2)I doubt your better than ALL the trials, just prolly about 95-97ish % of them

3)exactly

4)exactly

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Originally Posted by Dante55555 (Post 1334645)
Well, i would like MY ET rights back, but thanks for the offer Jesse :D. Well, i don't actually have much plans as to how we are going to re create zone, im sure Sayian and Supernanny have a few. But basicly we need people to actually make plans for restoring it. Thanks to all who said they are in, and to those that whine that they want trials back or they aren't coming back *Looks at Vendetta* ... Grow up..

I could help if you told me what I could do, but it can't be ingame, cause I'm only classic now...*sniff*

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Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979 (Post 1334777)
If the server is so dependant on trials why not put it down to classic for a month or so to get the playercount back up and to entice people. Work on that guest account problem then once its fixed move zone back up to gold status.

no, thanks for the suggestion, but I just don't think that would help much except for the classic idea

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Originally Posted by Dante55555 (Post 1334836)
Alright, we was thinking that seems though Zones completely P2P atm, that we make Zone into a 2 sided Warfare.. Hmm, let me explain a little more.

2 Volenteers would create a guild each, that all of Zones P2Ps choose to join either one of them. Then, through leadership and teamwork, the guilds fight each other to try and become the better. You would only be allowed to join one guild, theres nothing really stopping you joining both, but hopefully the leaders would boot them if they did. Those who like to not comply with stuff like this and make it difficult (People like John) and refuse to join either guilds would be known as "Free Lancers" and are hunted by both guilds, OR employed by them. Ideas?

this idea is a good one :D

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Originally Posted by Black_Wallstreet (Post 1334943)
But why would people come just to have a guild war? It's going to be hard to pursuade that many people to play Zone, just for a guild war.

Also, me and SN have worked on many idea's to pursuade Stefan and Unix to changing the way of Zone.

well, wars boost GK's playercount by about 10-20ish for the time they arae on

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Originally Posted by Huwajux (Post 1335009)
No. It won't.

agreed

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Originally Posted by Black_Wallstreet (Post 1335044)
This wont work, although I do like how you are actually trying to help the game instead of complaing *cough (Kia). Players didnt leave because they got "owned", they left because the trials left. Zone's playercount used to be in the 30's (?), before V5. If you remove the trials, you're down to about 20 or so. Most people quit once the playercount reached that low.

agreed

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Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979 (Post 1335045)
Actually it was admitted that since they couldn't lame and could get killed now they decided to leave.

who admitted this? tell me so I can kick their ass for trying to speak for Zone, because that is not why we left

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Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979 (Post 1335087)
then fix the guest account to put it back to trial. don't give trials access to the zone shop besides buying a p2p account and hopefully that will work.

meh, change it to the ideas on the "what to do with trials" thread

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Originally Posted by Dante55555 (Post 1335104)
You know what? No one ever though of it that way! lol..

agreed

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Originally Posted by UnknownMasterMind (Post 1335215)
Raven... I can assure you the mast majority did not leave because they can not lame trials, they left for one reason alone, they hated V5 or they moved to a different Server since Zone had such a low playercount. Its not hard to find out where alot of players have gone, look at GK's playercount, thats where some of Zone's p2ps went. Also, you have been saying the same thing and suggesting the same idea almost every post you make, so please post a new idea and/or reason.

On to topic, Jin still has the biggest ego I have ever seen, but thats why we all love him. <3

And about these ideas, it would be nice if you could post a few, also I think if you guys do try to bring the server back without staff, it will be very difficult, but you may be able to do it.

P.S.
I'll post on the forums from time to time. And also, Zone's playercount is only 2-3 now!? Wow... Thats crazy. No more Sincerely.

yay, your back!!!


ontopic, I'll help anyway I can, I jsut can't think of anything, after all I'm only 13 :(

Huwajux 07-30-2007 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by kia345 (Post 1335255)
It will have a bigger effect than just two people.

It won't. Stefan rarely pays attention to the players, and if he does it is usually about minor bugs that people are less concerned about.

anubis_wing 07-30-2007 01:50 PM

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Ravenblade1979 07-30-2007 04:09 PM

this is so simple.

Step 1:

Get rid of the guest accounts on Zone so its just trial accounts again.

Step 2: Tweak the shop so items can't be bought or set a rank you must have to use it. With trials if you can set it up only have it so they can see the p2p accounts for sale.

UnknownMasterMind 07-30-2007 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Dante55555 (Post 1335230)
I was under the impression you was gone for good. I'm hella glad to see that your still on the forums. GET ON MSN! :)

I won't be playing the game anymore, but I will look at the forums now and then, I am staying on the forums because of the NGR, and I still like to read the news on Zone and such. Really the only reason I am going to view the forums now and then is because, someone in the good-bye thread asked me too. xD
______________________

On topic, I hope "Guild Wars" saves Zone, Good Luck to the Players and ETs who are trying to bring Zone back.

Black_Wallstreet 07-30-2007 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979 (Post 1335502)
Tweak the shop so items can't be bought or set a rank you must have to use it. With trials if you can set it up only have it so they can see the p2p accounts for sale.

That will never work. In one day I easily got 5,000 experience points which allowed me to equip many weapons (this was as a trial). A week later, Touya got even more than that, plus he had enough money for a jetpack and he earned a 1,500 bounty (back when bounty was much much harder to get back than, 10,000 bounty today is like 2,000 bounty back then). Anyways, he also did that on trial. So im sure that would not be a solution.

Tracker180 07-31-2007 02:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979 (Post 1335502)
this is so simple.

Step 1:

Get rid of the guest accounts on Zone so its just trial accounts again.

Step 2: Tweak the shop so items can't be bought or set a rank you must have to use it. With trials if you can set it up only have it so they can see the p2p accounts for sale.

how bout we just make the guest account be trials again? why do you want to change the way the shop is?

P.S. for the record, I've only been on Zone twice since V5 btw

Rescate 07-31-2007 02:45 AM

Lol im a marshall and i keep gettin lamed by like a group of 10 people with photons that all togather probably have like 500 kills its pretty suck so at least put a rank requirement like raven said that would be fair :P

Black_Wallstreet 07-31-2007 02:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Rescate (Post 1335715)
Lol im a marshall and i keep gettin lamed by like a group of 10 people with photons that all togather probably have like 500 kills its pretty suck so at least put a rank requirement like raven said that would be fair :P

Hard to really understand.

Anyways, being a Marshall doesnt mean anything. It doesnt mean you are good. A set rank for some weapons should be included, but not because new players are using photon.

Dante55555 07-31-2007 03:42 AM

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Originally Posted by UnknownMasterMind (Post 1335524)
Really the only reason I am going to view the forums now and then is because, someone in the good-bye thread asked me too. xD


Who was it? I shall give him a medal!

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Originally Posted by anubis_wing (Post 1335488)
http://graalonline.com/guilds/viewguild?full=0&gid=8564

Join the side of Darkness and let it comsume you and give you power!
Join the side of the strong and the fierce!
Join for the cookies!

Do not listen to his seductive ways people! See the light! Sure, he may have more charm, poiz and intellect. But we have raw sexyness! And remember, you don't get to lame Anubis if you're on his side.

Tracker180 07-31-2007 03:57 AM

YAAA GO SEXXXYNESS AYYAIAlAIAI

Rescate 07-31-2007 06:34 AM

I R Nub

And what i was trying to say is that there are people who have like 10 kills total with a photon and jetpacks and saws running around its crazy :(


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