New levels won't save GK. Sorry. If it would I'd help but I know more maps aren't going to do anything. GK itself is just plain boring.

I'd be willing (and able) to help out but you gotta tell me what you need.

Yeah, make stuff that won't get uploaded.
There's a pretty good reason why you usually see him and only him working on things.
We could potentially have that, but nearly every user now is not trusted with duties like that.

Stefan/Unixmad made their money. I'm sure they would like more, but as of now it's not a big thing to them. Graal is a side project. It's not their actually job. Newer games hire 24/7 staff team members that get paid to do updates and ****.

Gerami just pm Stefan and see what he would like done..maybe new monsters, dungeon maps, items...etc.

Its not that people aren't trusted its just that you have to get by Bjorn with your monster or map and he has certain things he won't allow.

Adding new content doesn't always fix things. You can't pile gold and diamonds on top of trash and except it to not stink :P
Doing this doesn't address Ed's VALID points about what's wrong or what needs to be done.

A trash can filled with gold and diamonds would not stink. :)

lol... I tried... :(
But hopefully I made some kind of point?

Adding more content doesn't fix the things that are broken.

I think in the past it was argued because people actually still played GK. But I really think they should wipe. Everyone level 1, no items. It might atleast give the server a couple months worth of fun before it disappears.

Yeah... my subscription just ran out. Maybe I won't upgrade, and maybe I'll just play some other games... :[

A reset will make more people quit than making the any game fun.

Correct.

Then make GK-Classic, and then release the SAME THING, where people can start over, on GK-Reborn, or something of that.

I personally don't care what happens, I definately wont be reupgrading, but I could see 2 differnt servers where the elitists can play by them selves, then everyone on a different server can start over.

Eh. So the server goes from 4 people to 2 1/2. Big loss.

Time for a poll !

I love you, Alan.

Exactly what I'm thinking. From what I remember Graal has always had one flagship server, it's time to let GK go classic.

A reset goes the same just about every time on every server. A bunch of people who hardly play/don't play anymore clamour for a reset. Then it happens and they play for a few weeks then get bored again and the server is left with half the playerbase it had before the reset.

Zodiac's obviously went smoothly, and when Delteria went down and came back up in 2002 (reset of course) it had even more players than before.

Would be neat to see if on the classic list though. ^^

so if it was on classic could the admin's add updates whenever they want?

Put Gk to classic....let Zone stay gold.

That way they could get a dev team and more staff without having to worry if a ton of things won't go through.

Those servers weren't reset in an attempt to get old players back.

Well I took you literally from...

It's fine that you took me literally because I said "just about".

Maybe GK will join with Zodiac' and Delteria's trend then. :cool:

It would be nice to see two different GK servers. Then we would see if everyone wants a reset or not, lol. Everyone who wants to keep their stuff could stay on the old server, and everyone who wants a "reset" could go to the new one. Then we'll really see which has a higher playerbase.

And then where would they go from there? Keep the server with the highest playerbase? Either way people are getting screwed over.

I know. Isn't it great? :]

Actually, they should keep both, and the one with more playerbase is the one that they focus on updating more. Eventually noone will want to play the other, but it'll be more clear- either a new start (or reset) was the better idea, or it wasn't. And if people do want to play the other- even better... I guess.

I just don't really see this happening.

If GK goes classic, who would gain rights to manage it? I don't think Stefan would manage a classic server.

Ooo, have the 2 servers stay gold at first, and then after a while the less-popular one goes classic, to some different management.

I don't see this happening either actually. It just seems like a nice idea.

Edit: But it seems like there were 2 different ideas that came about.
One was for GK to just go classic.And another idea was for 2 GK's.
I can see GK just going classic if Stefan managed Zone... Who manages Zone anyways?

Get 2K1 back.

That's because Zodiac has the sort of system in place where a lot of people can earn their former standing in a very short time.
Like I mentioned in another thread:

Kingdoms -> Classic
Zodiac -> Gold
Zone -> No Change

The playercount is very much tilted in favor of Zodiac. It has proven to be more stable, more played, and more engaging than Kingdoms has in the past few months, and I would have no objection to subscribing for Zodiac, because I like the server. Even more important, it has quite a few people running it that actually know what they're doing.

You don't just go "hay guys let's reset and see if we get lucky." You look at the nature of the server and what state it was in when it was reset. I should warn you in advance (since you've complained about this kind of thing) that this post is going to be long and have a lot of "unnecessary information" because I want everybody, and not just you, to understand the differences between 2K2 and Zodiac.

Zodiac breaks one of the fundamental rules of building a server that's successful in the long run. The rule that the player must never be allowed to "beat the game". Zodiac allows players to reach the point at which training becomes obsolete (we'll call it "maximum level" even though I'm aware that term isn't entirely accurate) way too easily. As a result, Zodiac players are "allowed" to stop training while they're still willing to train (even though they probably don't "want" to) and the server pretty much has to reset just to reset just so that it can "access" the remaining willingness of the players to train. 2K2 never allows the player to reach the maximum level so it doesn't have this problem (remember that maximum level means the point where training becomes obsolete, not just having a base level of 110).

The best way to fully illustrate how this works is with a graph.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v46/googi/graph.png

Y-axis: Willingness of the player to train
X-axis: How much the player has trained
Orange Line: Willingness of the player to train
Red Line: Training Willingness Threshold - the player is no longer willing to train when willingness to train drops below this point.
Grey Line: Amount of training required to reach maximum level on Zodiac.
Gold Line: Amount of training required to reach maximum level on 2K2.
Point A: Point at which player stops training because he has reached maximum level.
Point B: Point at which player stops training because he is unwilling to train even though he hasn't reached maximum level.

A truly efficient server (like 2K2 and not Zodiac) pushes the players to point B by having the amount of training required to reach the maximum level be to the right of point B for every single player. Since Zodiac is not a truly efficient server, it has to reset in order to push the players to point B. (Zodiac's staff probably aren't smart enough to fully realize this, they were just lucky that this happens to be the nature of their server and thus a reset wasn't damaging).

Of course, in reality, the orange line isn't a perfectly straight downward sloping line. A player's willingness to train can be increased by various factors (such as willingness to train "regenerating" over periods of time when the player doesn't train), but in the long run a straight downward sloping line pretty much matches reality.

Delteria, however, I don't know jack about.

I totally agree and thus warrented a powerful 7 rep from me!

So far they haven't had anything to with levels (yet) ;) .

The meek inherit the playerworlds. ^_^

Thanks for that graph. It's pretty funny- I don't think you had to do all that to explain it all, and I think it could have been explained in a much simpler way (or maybe it just seems easy once u understand it). But in all- nice presentation ^^

Yeah, and Googi does prove a good point. That once people on Zodiac reach level 50 (I think thats the max level) They have nothing left to do but wait for a nation to attack there forts, or vice versa.

No, no and NO. GK can NOT become classic. If GK becomes classic, some ***** will get management, make it too complicated, just like all of the other crappy graal servers, hire a bunch of corrupt idiots, and chase all of the cool people away, THEN more people like Ravenblade would play GK, and that would just not be fun at all.

i.e. Era.

The current problem afaik is, that only Stefan and Björn can transfer stuff of debug to gk.

Another is, that this mudlib stuff of gk seems to be very complicated and very instable, I still renember that the npcserver on debug was constantly broken or something ^^
+ I bet its hard to program.