and where are your grounds to be suspicious of me?
You can suspect people all you want, but good luck making friends in doing that.

Look i'm done with this, either you use it or you don't, it's your choice and your gain or loss, see it how you wish.
This is here for ideas and such, not for people to say "Ohhh i don't like outside programs because i've been hacked before", we don't really care about that.
Not a single user of my program has complained, they've only given me more ideas.

Yea, I know. I am.
I take that back, you can make your own stinkin' graphics if you need them.

Ok, thanks, end of discussion.

Like I know wtf a MOTD is z.z

"Over the years?" Quite ridiculous. If you really want to see me making stupid complaints, go look at some of my early posts.

But it doesn't save time. The only way it reasonably could would be if the Graal executables were buried in a folder structure with no shortcuts to them while Graunch had a readily accessible shortcut. In other words, all it can do is make the opening of Graal less inefficient if you're already doing it in an inefficient way. If you're launching your Graal applications in an efficient way then your program makes launching them take longer.

Besides, if people want to launch their Graal applications from another program, they can do it from a standard web browser (which is usually how I do it - admittedly not the most efficient way, though I do also have a desktop shortcut.)

I have done so before - in cases where I was actually wrong.

Ok, thanks, end of discussion applied to you as well googi.
Find someone else to ramble on to with your incoherant bickering.
I'm here for suggestions and such to improve Graunch, not to help someone show their ignorance more and more.
You will not see another post from me concerning one of your posts so bash away.

btw, MOTD = Message of the Day.
kind of an updates and info window for Graunch.

Though someone may have no reason to dislike you, they have an amazing reason not to trust you. I'm going to assume your relationship with everyone whos posted here is over a computer, thats grounds enough. You can't expect people to trust you, you need to gain their trust. But I suppost if Stefan okay'd it, and this thread hasn't been deleted, it must be alright.

Well that's 1 valid point.
How about this one though... people trusted me when i created N-Pulse, Teir'Dal, and Maloria.. if not they wouldn't have played the servers.

I guess i'm just a tad more old-school, i tend to trust others til they give me reason not to.

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I don't see where you are being bashed. I see critisism on your program, and discussion, but no bashing from Googi.
Personally, I wouldn't use any program made by anyone on these forums, or anywhere else unless I knew and trusted them very, very well.

They have virus scanning programs for a reason -_-

Yes, and I have one. I am still very cautious, just how I am.

lol nice gambet, ya they also have spy/ad/malware scanners for a reason, like spybot S&D :)

and moonie, googi goes against everything i say and do so to me it's bashing and she just needs to keep it to herself for once.

But if you only trust major things maybe i should go and register myself as a company by law then nobody could say "you can't trust that program" cause i'd be just like yahoo, microsoft, or any other business.

What's stopping you one day from getting the ****s with Graal, and putting in malicious code?

I know I certainly won't download this crappy program which has no real use.

LOL @ If you register your business people should trust you. Alot of corporations are putting crap into their programs, spyware etc.

That might work years down the road when you/your company is well known.
Don't take it personally. There are very few that I trust.

I suppose that goes hand in hand with no-one trusting you?

Absolutely. I wouldn't hold it against them. I would understand, but this really isn't an issue in this thread so let's not get off topic. I didn't make a program. :)

I think someone told me this program is "endorsed" by Stefan himself.

So Stefan is endorsing a 3rd party program, which in the future has a huge possibility, of stealing paying customers accounts, if said program maker decides to quit Graal with a "bang"?

.... whatever if someoen wants to use it they can if not oh well there choice. let it be.

Ok devil you have an issue there, that's the most bashing this thread has seen in 1 post, what gives you the right to step in out of nowhere and call a program crap?

If i were like you i might retaliate with slander against your mother or something, but i'll leave that type of "crap" to people like you.

Bye for now, have a wonderful day haters :P
And i'm sick of posting this..
IF YOU DONT WANT IT DONT GET IT AND LET THE REST OF US ENJOY IT AND JUST SHUT UP AND KEEP YOUR IGNORANT COMMENTS TO YOURSELF!

Devil + Googi = ignored!

I dont want to be a basher but i dont see the point of this program =/ Its just lazy lol

And omg i never knew googi was female wtf in jell?

haha, I think this guy missed something... lol

Those three posts in that order, actually made me rofl...

lol took me a second but i think i see why you rofl'd now :D
Actually a few years back i was told that Googi is actually a guy that just wants everyone to think he's a girl, i'm not saying it's true though, just what i was told.

he don't really deny it anymore because most everyone knows.

Uh no.

Playing a server has nothing to do with trust. Just because you are the manager or owner or creater of some kind of server on graal does not give you some kind of trust in the eyes of the player, I dont trust any of the managers of any servers on graal right now except one, because he is actually my friend.

Im thinking the stuff in your history has gone to your head a bit.

Oh believe me Geovanie, I would have replied soon if I wasn't on a holiday.

See your maturity at what I said? I was hardly bashing you, and you can't take a bit of heat. You don't like a bit of **** said against what other people have?

Pfft. Your programs can stay off my computer. You didn't even respond to me about my concerns, so to me, you can't prove that one day you won't be a little immature kid, and not steal accounts. It is a hugely useless program.

nope, nothing about it has gone to my head, sorry.
Only thing going to my head is that i'm still tired, so i'm going back to bed, lol.

Haha see you just keep proving my point. You totally miss what I'm saying.

Hmm, if I send you a program do you promise to run it if it passes your virus scanner? :)
See also: Sony.

Actually i'd do alot more than a virus scan, of course nothing makes it on to my system without going through multiple scans before they even download, lol.

I could sit here forever telling you that Graunch has nothing bad in it, but that still doesn't mean you'd believe me.
In the end it is merely a trust issue and that's acceptable cause i understand there are a plenty of programs out there that are harmful in many ways.

Yeah, this is the running gag - you say Stefan signed off on A version of it, but we have no way of knowing if a later version won't incorporate a Sniffer until it's too late.
So either Stefan has to personally verify every version of every program, or Graal needs to host virus-scanned versions, or Stefan could (I guess) make a seperate Graal Authenticator DLL that doesn't tell your program the password, only whether or not Graal agrees it's Right...(whether or not your program requires passwords)...

My program requires no information about you or Graal.
Anyway Stefan has trusted me to keep this program clean and that's exactly what i'm going to do.
I haven't spent all this time designing it just to toss in a stupid virus, spyware, or any other harmful material.
I tend to take my work seriously even when not getting paid for it, and i pride myself in doing good work cause it brings me joy knowing that others are using and appreciating what i have done for them.

On another note, version v1.7 was just release, the link below is the topic for it.
http://forums.graal2001.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=71690

Keep saying what you will.

I can tell you I'm a billionaire, are you going to believe me?

You're sounding really arrogant.

Devil why do you keep posting when you know your on ignore?
It's actually quite amusing, lol.

Why does it look like the "Image Browser" and "Audio Browser" are just shells for Windows Picture and Fax Viewer and Windows Media Player?

One man's trash is another man's gold.


Honestly, he's just trying to provide tools that may be beneficial to people out there, what's the damn big deal?

Then you guys wonder why your little fiasco's only lead to your banning. You all act like a bunch of idiots about everything. Somebody tries to help out, and everyone jumps on their back criticizing them, claiming that what they're doing is "useless". It may be "useless" to you, but it could be the best thing to ever happen to someone else.

Leave the guy alone, you're not forced to use this program. If you don't like it, don't use it, but don't try to derail him as a person simply because you can't control yourself.

Think about what I said Gambet, don't be stupid. It's actually a general worry, and should be looked into.

Haha look @ Geovanie's post, does he seriously think that I am not allowed to post to others? And everything must be about him? I really hate this guy.

Well put Gambet, enough said.