Yes, i hate to admit it but the spit shine pimple head is right.. Appripers are way too fast..

Lol >:(

I KNOW WHO UR TALKIN ABOUT >:(

I was talking about John.. Why you ask? :P

Why? What's the problem? People keep saying 2 FAST but are not stating the problem that should come along with it.

Kay Gerami mah friend, listen up.

I never really even noticed the change in appripers untill Sayian pointed it out to me, i just thought i sucked against appripers. I have lag basicly all day every day but that still doesnt mean i dont know how glitchy those things are. Up close (I dont know the techniquel range, in cm, or?..) Well.. about a cm and a half away from ur opponent, when u are shot at u sometimes instantly glitch and loose life. No bullets even apear they you just loose life. They actually cause alot of lag on my computer and hit me when they dont but that actually happens with every weapon coz my comp sux.
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Nvm, basicly.. I think Aprippers are lame and refuse to use them but seems though they lame me so bad i want to be selfish and make them slower seems though im not going to use them back. Thats right, I SAID IT! :P. Basicly me, sayian and alot of other "newbcakes" are sick and tired of being lamed. Where just whining really lol..

>_< Like I said in my first post, and like jkool666 told you;

When you fire them, you barely stop (you can keep walkin forward w/o freeze) there doing 20 dmg each, and there the fastest pistol (i think they may be the same speed as the dark pulsar)

Think of it like the LR Pulsar doing 20-40 dmg per bullet...Cause thats about the speed of Aprippers right now >_<

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The thing is for me its, 1 slip up and ive lost 40hp.. They always take 40. Never 20 :(

Exactly so why complain?

How can anyone claim aprippers are so cheap with appirces, as much as I love them, are even "lamer"?

KV9 are much faster. Wtf are you talking about?

Aprippers have much less rate of fire, so don't compare LR to rippers.

Nice owning spree. And uhm, no they're not overpowered
And no, I do not play Zone, but still :]

LOL TY LITEUL BROTHR

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Quickening the delay on a weapon is about as fair as removing a very slow reloading time.

But it didn't really change much, the apripper has been like this for over a month or two now.

it was changed by .5 secs worth of delay time x-x

and kv9s are much faster (sike) and they only do like 9 dmg per bullet, compared to the aprippers 20 dmg per bullet...are you even thinging when you post? :rolleyes:

WHAT'S YOUR POINT? It's been like this for atleast a month.

Wtf? You were saying the aprippers were the fastest pistols and I proved you wrong. This has nothing to do with the damage. Do you even read what I quote before you post?

Also you are wrong again, kv9 does 14 per bullet.

In the right hands those aprippers can kill you in 2-3 seconds flat. A loss 100hp in under 5 seconds, that's too much, especially if you're actually sparring, not just laming. Aside from that Ap-rippers are better for strafing than some rifles...

And for about 1-2 months (however long its been) people have been complaining...I dont know if it was just in-game that they would complaing, or if they also complained about it on the Forums... x_x


It does have to do with the damage...20 damage, and no (barely any) freeze time is way to much...Like jar said;
Still, 14 damage is alot less than the aprippers 20 dmg x_x And I think the kv9 has more of a freeze time than the apripper x_x

In the right hands a plasma sabre can kill you in 5 seconds. I don't see your point.

I haven't heard anyone complaining about it and if I have then I've forgotten.

Your point in that one specific post was that it's the fastest pistol and I proved you wrong.

Not really. You're overexaggerating, aprippers aren't as AMAZINGLYFAST as you think. It's not like you can hold the fire button down and have it fire as fast as an SMG.

Plasmasabre has a very small range, and VERY slow classes. Apripper has a range equal to the majority of weapons, one of the fastest class speed and no rank needed.

And little angle variance, meaning it's prone to being trapped by weapons like appirce, kv24, etc.

Rub it in my face why don't you?

I sure hope you were kidding since I'm not even talking about our little spar. You own me with everything else anyway. :(

Now it's 4.

Nobody did anything when we (a very small group of people) complained about Apps, so I'm hoping that karma exists, and that nobody does anything about Rippers. Also, don't bring up that "BS" about the reduction in damage of the Apps, even with the reduction, the weapon is too powerful, even against the new Rippers.

In all truthfulness, both weapons should be reduced in power, they're not doing what pistols are supposed to do, and unless you're a closed minded idiot who has 2573902789104 kills with Apps, you'd realize this.

If we make a gun that deals 1 damage, shoots 2 bullets vith a variance of 5, has a delay time of 0.01, has infinite bullets, no no limit on amo clip, costs no energy, and can be used by comando, would it be lame?

Apprices do 9 dmg per bullet. Thats not even close to being the strongest. But there fast, so people use them. Aprippers do 20 dmg per bullet. They were slow, so it was fair, now there faster than Apprices, and they are probly the same speed as kv9. Zulu, before posting, you might want to get on the client and see what we are talking about. :rolleyes:

They are nowhere near as fast as the Kv9.

5. :rolleyes:

Rippers are fine. Stop whining. If you can't kill someone who's using rippers with an event weapon, you probably shouldn't have an event weapon anyway.

Kv9 is about twice as fast as rippers. Sorry.

And one of those classes happens to have a crossbow. Seriously, think before saying something like that.

No. Because it would be essentially a chaingun that does 13 less damage with a faster class.
Complain about red rifles then.

All in all, rippers are fine. Want to whine? Give good reasons and back them up.

mesa agrees!

Racism was around for longer then a month before people complained about it? Should they have not changed that? Just because something is like something for a month, doesn't make it right... *Waits for* OMG THATS NOTHING TO DO WITH ZONE... ZOMG!!![/COLOR]

do 9 damage, while ApRipper does 20 damage. ApRipper is faster, more powerful, and found in the same class on 4 of 5 planets... Thus making it far stronger then Appirces, and would need to be changed sooner...

Why? There are no event weapons better then ApRippers.

True, but NO WHERE near as powerful.

Those are lame to actually...[COLOR=White]

It gives the trials a little taste of Event Weapons, y'know?

Crossbow on a slow class sucks, think before posting. I'd easily strafe circles around you.I have been for awhile, those are way too over powered.No, all in all rippers are lame. I'd be happy if they majorly lowered the tps.

I think they should slow down appripers and apprices to make typhoon happy!

Well, in my opoinion apprippers are not lame. They do deal high ammounts of damage and they shoot at fast speeds, but the range is so small, its easy to dodge. If you think they are lame, simply dont play on a map where scouts have appripers.

which is all but 1 (or 2)

Koth and Irica, koth isnt so popular but Irica is the most popular. Just play Irica like most of the other people do.

And how is this relevent? Racism is regarded as negative, how is aprippers with 20 damage as negative as racism? You're comparing someone tripping their brother to hitler.


Way to ignore the fact that appirces fire 4 bullets at a time with very range of damage. Why to also ignore the fact that it's not only easier to hit someone with it assuming they stand still, but harder to dodge if you're the one trying to dodge it.

ApRippers may do 20 damage a bullet, but as I said the amount of variance in angle renders this useless unless you have great aim and nice positioning. ApRipper users are prone to being cornered easily. Also you can rifle your way out of it.


SO?

The morale is dodge the small spread of appripers and you'll be fine. Just because that class is fast, doesnt mean apprippers are good. They are a good pking weapon, but only if your fighting in a small area. If you fight in a large area like deathmatch for instence, well then appripers are preety useless.

Not quite, it has superior range to appirces and such.

It has a smaller range though, the spread is drastically sad, therefor making it basically useless against weapons like appirces in Deathmatch.

When wielding Apps you can easily keep shooting 1-3 cm's higher than your target and still hit, since the Rippers have such low variance, and only shoot two bullets, you can dodge it while still dealing damage to your opponent, unlike Apps, which you have to take a very lucky shot against without getting hit, due to the literal -wall- of bullets it shoots.

lolol

Everytime I spar against someone who uses rippers, and I use BPs, I win. Just avoid the pathetic spread and shoot around the bullets. I'll admit, 20 damage is a little much, but still. The speed is ok, just learn to anticipate the spread and stay out of it. Not that hard.

(Also, a rifle is probably better suited to killing someone using rippers, because of superior speed)

Now, A full shot with appirces does 36 damage. A full shot with Aprippers does 40.

Let's do the math. On average, with rippers, it takes 3 fullshots for me to kill a trial outside of spar, because they heal that 1 hp before I get the second shot in unless I hit them twice in a row. It takes 5 for me to kill a p2p, same reasoning. On average, with apprices, I don't kill them in as few shots, but I take less damage because I have more angle variance, and, therefore, more chances to shoot (and hit).

If you fight a ranged battle with someone using rippers you will probably win, unless you suck at ranged fighting or your opponent is good. Close ranged, it's the opposite, because that's where superior fire speed comes into play. Rifle freeze people at close range, rippers just dominate.

K. It's my opinion, I think I have everything correct.