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Tyhm 08-11-2003 09:56 AM

You abandoned the project, you no longer get to take it back when someone revives it. I had a thought about a Graal Radio Station and NPC on Classic, if someone else revives Graal Radio Network I can't say Hey, I did it first! and take it back. Prescedent: Lycia and the FAQ. Don't EVEN get me nostalgic.

superb 08-11-2003 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tyhm
You abandoned the project, you no longer get to take it back when someone revives it. I had a thought about a Graal Radio Station and NPC on Classic, if someone else revives Graal Radio Network I can't say Hey, I did it first! and take it back. Prescedent: Lycia and the FAQ. Don't EVEN get me nostalgic.
Happy place...Happy place...please don't hurt me!

unixmad 08-11-2003 10:24 AM

How can you say that when you have resigned !

Please keep this comments for you because if i follow forums rules i will have to ban your account.


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Originally posted by konidias
You suck Angel. That was my job. :(

unixmad 08-11-2003 10:26 AM

We will send 2 versions, 1 in HTML and 1 in Text.

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Originally posted by Loriel
If it is not plain text, lots of people will not read it...

Geno 08-11-2003 10:46 AM

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Originally posted by unixmad
How can you say that when you have resigned !

Please keep this comments for you because if i follow forums rules i will have to ban your account.



i think konidias was just playing around ;(

Loriel 08-11-2003 03:38 PM

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Originally posted by Minoc
Why sir?
Because I dislike having a lots of html code sent to me when I am only interested in the information between these tags?
Because I am expecting to receive email and not websites? Because I do not want to have people who mail me control how my emails get displayed? Also, unrelated to this particular newsletter, if spammers include links to images in their spam mails, they can use their webserver's logs to figure out wether your email address is actually valid ;)


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Originally posted by Angel
There will be plain text and HTML Version. (Yes Loriel it will be W3C HTML 4.01 or even XHTML 1.0/1.1 Validated.:D :p).
So I can subscribe to a plain-text mailing list seperately kept from the html mailing, or will you send the html version to me no matter what?
In case you are going to use anything other than XHTML 1.1, I hope you use the STRICT variant. :D

Kaimetsu 08-11-2003 03:43 PM

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Originally posted by Loriel
Because I dislike having a lots of html code sent to me when I am only interested in the information between these tags?
It's not like it's a huge amount of data. It's not gonna clog anybody's connection.

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Because I am expecting to receive email and not websites?
Expectations are irrelevant. Plain text is ugly and often difficult to read. The HTML version is way better.

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Because I do not want to have people who mail me control how my emails get displayed?
Uh-huh. Might as well crusade for a plain text version of the forums too, then :rolleyes:

Spark910 08-11-2003 03:54 PM

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Originally posted by superb


Are you on crack?

I can type, nor be bothered to go back and edit that often, but I can do what I need to do.

Im glad this is finally getting done, I have like signed up for about... 10 trial accounts when I needed to test things over time and all the time it says

´Would you like to recive the graalonline news letter´´

So im happy to see its getting done. Anyhow... Im on a timed internet cafe, im not going to read all of it. And I think it would be better with alot of player input. But editors of course. I want to help out though, so Angel contact me when im home.

Neonight 08-11-2003 03:55 PM

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Originally posted by Spark910


I can type, nor be bothered to go back and edit that often, but I can do what I need to do.

Im glad this is finally getting done, I have like signed up for about... 10 trial accounts when I needed to test things over time and all the time it says

´Would you like to recive the graalonline news letter´´

So im happy to see its getting done. Anyhow... Im on a timed internet cafe, im not going to read all of it. And I think it would be better with alot of player input. But editors of course. I want to help out though, so Angel contact me when im home.

I believe that post shows how good your English literature skills are. :\

Loriel 08-11-2003 04:36 PM

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Originally posted by Kaimetsu
It's not like it's a huge amount of data. It's not gonna clog anybody's connection.
It's unneeded. By stripping the forum main page of all html tags, I got it to ~1/5 of its original size. Imagine what this means for a longer newsletter.

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Expectations are irrelevant. Plain text is ugly and often difficult to read. The HTML version is way better.
People are paying for this service, they should receive what they expect, no?
What is ugly about plain black text on white background? That is easier to read than confusing colours and whatever other markup one might come up with.

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Uh-huh. Might as well crusade for a plain text version of the forums too, then :rolleyes:
A forum is different from a newsletter.

Spark910 08-11-2003 04:39 PM

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Originally posted by Neonight


I believe that post shows how good your English literature skills are. :\

´´but I can do what I need to do´´

Thats all I said.
And I haven really read it all, as I have one WHOLE min left on this internet cafe, which is crap. Anyhow I agree with whoever wants HTML newsletters, it would be alot better.

Kaimetsu 08-12-2003 05:30 AM

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Originally posted by Loriel
It's unneeded. By stripping the forum main page of all html tags, I got it to ~1/5 of its original size. Imagine what this means for a longer newsletter.
Is 5KB significantly worse than 1KB? It's all gonna download in under a second anyway.

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People are paying for this service, they should receive what they expect, no?
?

I expect Graal Kingdoms to have distinct, none-overlapping classes. Does that mean they have to edit it just for me?

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What is ugly about plain black text on white background?
It's too linear, there's no structure. It's fine for books where you're supposed to read from start to end in a straight line, but magazines require pictures and structure because there might be more than one article on a page.

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A forum is different from a newsletter.
So? The same feeble arguments apply.



On another topic: The problem with opening up the newsletter to the public is that most players can't type for beans and it's not always easy to edit their waffle into a readable format. We can edit it, sure, but we'd be rewording huge sections of their articles, effectively writing it ourselves.

superb 08-12-2003 07:41 AM

Maybe have strict guidelines to follow when creating articles...if they don't meet the criteria then they don't go in the letter.

Qwert616 08-12-2003 07:51 AM

Meh, I would prefer a plain text newsletter too. :(

Although, I guess it depends on what Angel has in mind for the newsletter. It sounds like it is planned to be bigger than I thought.

konidias 08-12-2003 11:34 AM

Arguably, a plain text e-mail can look organized or whatever, without any sort of html... Although I'd prefer the html style myself... see here is an example of formatting text for a text e-mail:


-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Graal Newsletter
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
I. Section 1
II. Section 2
III. Section 3
IV. Section 4
V. Section 5

-----------------------
I. Section 1
-----------------------
Stuff here

-----------------------
II. Section 2
-----------------------
Stuff here

etc

SaijinGohan 08-12-2003 04:58 PM

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Originally posted by Angel
There will be plain text and HTML Version. (Yes Loriel it will be W3C HTML 4.01 or even XHTML 1.0/1.1 Validated.:D :p).
How about no fighting. She said the door would swing both ways. :P

osrs 08-12-2003 09:01 PM

Sounds pretty good,good luck.

Snakeandy7 08-13-2003 09:38 AM

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Originally posted by superb


Are you on crack?

Yes.
When is the new new's paper out angel :)

NovaNET 08-14-2003 08:55 AM

it was released on forums to many people i dont know who downloaded it i know more then 30 graalians have seen it and tried it those who wish to come forward and reply here can tell you as for doomsday yes it was uploaded Cid the ex-co manager could attest to that and MysticHaste, Scalper and others can tell you about seeing it on sl but why do i need to prove anything to you? I dont as Scalper continues to remind me i have nothing to prove you because your not worth my time nor anyone on graal's.

thelostviking 08-14-2003 05:20 PM

I think angel is intelligent enough to make a good newsletter. We should stop complaining =//

Questa 08-14-2003 05:26 PM

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Originally posted by Qwert616
Meh, I would prefer a plain text newsletter too. :(

Same here, sometimes my email client doesn't read html documents right and I have a bunch of tags everywhere. It's annoying :( . Plus I just like plain text better because that's what the rest of my emails are.

Angel 08-14-2003 05:37 PM

OK

Me and Unixmad both said their would be plain text newsletter. Why do you keep on saying you want one? Yes you can just sign up for plain text or HTML version. I understand some email clients will treat HTML badly. So there will be a plain text newsletter in much the same format as Konidias said.

superb 08-14-2003 09:12 PM

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Originally posted by NovaNET
it was released on forums to many people i dont know who downloaded it i know more then 30 graalians have seen it and tried it those who wish to come forward and reply here can tell you as for doomsday yes it was uploaded Cid the ex-co manager could attest to that and MysticHaste, Scalper and others can tell you about seeing it on sl but why do i need to prove anything to you? I dont as Scalper continues to remind me i have nothing to prove you because your not worth my time nor anyone on graal's.
SHUT THE HELL UP NOVA. You are getting very annoying! You're just mad cause Angel owned you and proved you wrong.

SaijinGohan 08-14-2003 10:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by NovaNET
it was released on forums to many people i dont know who downloaded it i know more then 30 graalians have seen it and tried it those who wish to come forward and reply here can tell you as for doomsday yes it was uploaded Cid the ex-co manager could attest to that and MysticHaste, Scalper and others can tell you about seeing it on sl but why do i need to prove anything to you? I dont as Scalper continues to remind me i have nothing to prove you because your not worth my time nor anyone on graal's.
Wtf? If your going to speak/type, atleast do so in a language.

konidias 08-14-2003 11:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by NovaNET
it was released on forums to many people i dont know who downloaded it i know more then 30 graalians have seen it and tried it those who wish to come forward and reply here can tell you as for doomsday yes it was uploaded Cid the ex-co manager could attest to that and MysticHaste, Scalper and others can tell you about seeing it on sl but why do i need to prove anything to you? I dont as Scalper continues to remind me i have nothing to prove you because your not worth my time nor anyone on graal's.
http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2002/20021011l.gif

I'm sorry, I couldn't resist. :)

SaijinGohan 08-15-2003 03:51 AM

Now that we've had our grammar lesson for the day, we can all write articles for the newsletter. :D

Spark910 08-22-2003 08:34 PM

Angel update us!


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