Nemesis is the Classic Game Manager. Unixmad is the GM in general for GraalOnline.

Anyway, Nemesis wanted alot of playerworlds shut down, but guess who stopped him from doing anything, simple things like firing staff from a server. Stefan. He is too kind and doesn't realize how much of a waste these playerworlds are.

Graal2230 looks cool, but it won't be going anywhere. No one is helping and it seems none fo the staff even go there.

DK looks so good, it should be its own MMORPG. :)

As for Soulblades server. It looks like crap. :)

Well here is a list Mrs.Instagate;
pr0n
r0ms
geebserber downloads
other server graphics
other server levels.


Hmm, I cant find anything wrong with those though. :rolleyes: Good one.

No need to be a smartass.

I didnt say that stuff was on any server, I'm just saying I dont see why people scream over someone looking at their server...point is, that kind of stuff could very well be on servers, and its the PWA's job to check servers to make sure stuff like that isnt on it...you can be ugly all you want, but there is a very good reason for the PWA team

You're missing my point. I have the power to delete every post ever, but not the right. There's a big difference between the two - one that people are not realising in this thread. The PWA dudes only have the right to invade private servers and post progress reports if S&U deem it reasonable. There has been no indication so far that they even know about the endeavour.

Then why the hell do you want to inspect them?

As far as i know we will be inspecting all PWs at some point, but nobody ever said they had to be made public. This is more for the team's information.

It's our job.

By whose assignation? Who said that you were supposed to inspect these servers?

Wow, because in the past this happend alot eh? Not to my knowledge.:\

people seem to miss my point...

If Stefan gave someone permission to have a server, and he set them up... why would the PWA have the authority to go in, and shut them down, unless Stafan asked them to?

what would be the point of him letting someone have a server, if the PWA just shuts them down?

I don't think they have anything to hide... but how would you like it if the police just walked into your house, and started looking around? you probably have nothing to hide... but they shouldn't be there.. i know i'd be mad
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Okay, a lot has been said, but this is what I think should be done:

No, we won't release information about under construction servers to anyone. We won't come on here tomorrow and say "well I was just on shifting ages lolo here are some screenshots" and post pages full of them, nor will we post detailed information about quests, levels, NPC's etc. We respect that you you want keep everything secret and not let the ideas get leaked out so others can capitalize on them or start making speculations.

However, what I have seen in the past is that a lot of these playerworlds that have gone private will go up, then just take their sweet time, accomplishing almost nothing up until the point where all development is at a complete standstill for months for no valid reason. It could have been because the manager slacked off, or they lost interest and are using Graal's server space as a pet project. Some UC PW's even host others' projects and let them use their private server for their own enjoyment. This is what we are trying to put an end to.

I proposed the idea to Stefan a while ago that maybe once a month we go onto these private servers and ask the managers/developers "Okay, it's been a month, what progress have you made?" If they explain what they have done, and maybe show a couple things (they are not obligated to show us everything, but we'd like some proof of development) then we are happy and will say "Okay, thanks, see you in a month". If the server has done 2 levels and created a new idea in a months time, then this is a cause for concern. If we come back the next month and they've made only 2 more NPC's and another level, then we will suggest the removal of this playerworld. We can't have servers taking, literally, one year to finish a small island which will be the preview of their "bigger and better playerworld", only to have it removed AGAIN and put to private.

Stefan is a busy guy, he cannot keep tabs on every single server and their development on a regular basis. I remember him telling me he wanted all private servers released within a couple months. This was last year, back in October/November. Look now. Half the servers on the playerworld list are under construction. A lot aren't complete. All we want to do is see what you've been doing, how you are going, so we know if you're actually trying or are just messing around. That is all.

I agree that some servers need to be inspected, but not all. You say that you proposed the idea, but what was the feedback? How long ago was this? Did he specifically say that all servers should be inspected? If not then it seems to me that you guys are outstepping your bounds.

I proposed this back just before I quit the PWA, you can even ask Angel. Stefan said that this was a good idea, but he wanted to release the PW's very soon, in a couple months. Then Angel and I (mostly Angel) went around pushing these private servers for information and asking them what they have done/expected release dates. Releases of Frolic and Gaia were the result of these pushes.

I think all servers should be inspected. I don't consider it stepping our bounds because we don't have the actual power to say "you're getting shut down, buddy, say goodbye" but we're merely an investigative and informative group to Nemesis and Stefan and Unixmad on these issues. It's a bit bureaucratic, but there is no way the three of them can get everything done alone if they have to do it themselves. If we started inspecting these UC PW's (which I plan to once I talk to Nemesis) then we won't be pushing for amazingly fast progress within weeks, we understand that everyone has a life and that ideas come gradually and slowly but enough to have something tangible and playable after a few months of work. I don't see why everyone is getting hyper-sensitive about this issue, because it would really be no different if Stefan came onto your playerworld and asked what you've been doing and how you are going.

So this is an idea from months ago? And it hasn't been given approval in recent times? Then I would say that you should talk to one of the two head honchos and make sure that they're okay with you doing this.

No it wouldn't. You guys are nothing like Stefan, and you can't be trusted to the same degree. One of you is even a playerworld manager himself, unless he quit recently and has yet to have his moderator status revoked.

I will fill you all in on a small piece of info. Oasis is no more special then Shifting Ages or Graal2230. Guess what, Stefan has said both oasis and my own world will have to pay to be online when that system comes. Stefan simply said he believes we will be able to find enough supporters not to pay.

I will once again say, plain and simple. I am not going to allow anyone on. Espcecially if you believe Oasis is some kind of "special class" of a PW...His was put up by Stefan by him asking stefan, G2230 was put up by Stefan by Birdbird_0 asking, BUT Ghost Pirate was ALWAYS the manager, and still is. Birdbird made it appear differently, but now you know. Shifting Ages was put up by me asking Stefan as well. All of us showed Stefan content, and shared ideas, and because he liked them he put them up. There is nothing special about them other then Stefan likes what he saw and he put them up. We won't be excluded from paying money either.

But even so, I will not allow anyone on, as I said earlier, unless Stefan himself forces me.

Merely grouping the information? I know how things work. Your good buddy on AIM messages you saying "So I heard you went on Oasis, you get any screenshots?" Then you say "Yeah, got a few, for PWA only though sorry can't show" then he says "Come on, we are good friends, you can trust me" then you "Well, just don't show ANYONE, ok?" him "Yeah of course!" him after done talking "*shows**shows**shows*shows*". I'm not stupid. I know how it works. Then I will get idiotic IMs of people saying ignorant things based on your report.

There is in fact a major difference between you guys, and Stefan, or Jagen, or Angel, or all of GST. Stefan can see the significance of the script I have done, or how nicely things flow. My PWA is optimized for developer use, not play. There is no introduction, there is no structure, there is plenty of un solid things slowly coming together.

If PWA came on, who are mere players, they would not understand anything about what they see. If jagen comes on, like he recently did, he understands what he sees. In a month or 2 from now, when I have developed further, THEN players would understand what they see, and possibly I would allow PWA on, right before alpha release.

The fact is, that is all PWA is. A group of non-developers, inspecting the worlds. Playing the worlds. Now, I am all good with GST coming on my RC, and looking at new classes I have added, and looking at NPCWs I have added, and looking at my control NPC....heck I would even give read rights to see the ftp. But no one will be logging on to the actual world other then the ones I have let, because if you truly were checking progress, all you would need is RC.

when i saw this thread it was like

FINALY, and it still is, i think there is to much unactive servers who doesnt get anywhere and never shows what they make...


Terra.. havnt heard anything from them
Soul blades server (cant remember name x.x)- well ive seen some and it looks nice, but still what happends there?
Oasis- Wasnt it supposed to be realesed like realy early, i maibe been unactive but is it dead or alive?
graal 2230- havnt heard anything.
Gaia- Development? corruption?
Doragon: Well i now this server develops since G_Yoshi give me updates all the time :)
Rudora- um....

Get a grip. I have just gone online. Progress is seeping from the poors of the server...and I already stated I would show some things in my forums this weekend.

With that in mind, any world can do that. We don't need some PWA to stick their noses where they don't belong when world owners can show progress themselves.

Sorry, but you don't really have a choice in the matter. Just get over it. Why are you so nervous that people see you are doing work?

You still are missing the point Soul-Blade. Aftershock is doing this for all servers, and until the playerworld hosting is added, this is what is going to happen whether you like it or not. You have no say in this. :mad:

Yes, that's right, because I'm such an unreliable person and I've done that so many times before. In fact, I'm so infamous for giving away highly sensitive information that I was given an RC and am trying to fill in for Nemesis' GM position temporarily to stay out of trouble and go bug people on all the servers. [/end sarcasm] I told you already, I'm not going to release screenshots, no one will have screenshots released, I just want to make sure that you're actually making progress.

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There is in fact a major difference between you guys, and Stefan, or Jagen, or Angel, or all of GST. Stefan can see the significance of the script I have done, or how nicely things flow. My PWA is optimized for developer use, not play. There is no introduction, there is no structure, there is plenty of un solid things slowly coming together. If PWA came on, who are mere players, they would not understand anything about what they see. If jagen comes on, like he recently did, he understands what he sees. In a month or 2 from now, when I have developed further, THEN players would understand what they see, and possibly I would allow PWA on, right before alpha release.

Read my post. I didn't say I was going to come onto your server and say "oh look you have nothing to do for the average player, I'm going to recommend a shutdown lololo" Guess, what, Stefan and Unixmad don't check to see if servers make progress, I would have thought you'd been around here long enough to realize that. Look at all the playerworlds that took a year to be released for 2 weeks, then taken down into private mode AGAIN because they are remaking the world. The GST doesn't go around looking to see if playerworlds are making progress either, they are there just to optimize and assist with scripts, and whatever else they do. Guess what the PWA does, the playerworld administration does? They check to see if progress is made on PW's, seen as though they are the playerworld administration. Is your server a playerworld?

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The fact is, that is all PWA is. A group of non-developers, inspecting the worlds. Playing the worlds. Now, I am all good with GST coming on my RC, and looking at new classes I have added, and looking at NPCWs I have added, and looking at my control NPC....heck I would even give read rights to see the ftp. But no one will be logging on to the actual world other then the ones I have let, because if you truly were checking progress, all you would need is RC.

So I don't have the capability of checking these NPCW's and looking at these new classes you have added? I'm sorry, I didn't realize I was somehow handicapped in this context. I will ask Stefan if we can go on these playerworlds just once a month to see if you've done something, and by golly, I have an RC too. Now, do I meet your strict regimen of being able to check things on a server, or am I still out of the loop?

Your funny Aftershock. :cool:

Considering that I don't put my work online very frequently (for some security reasons ;)) you won't see much and probably nothing more than my "door" :p I usually update when I'm showing something to someone that I granted access behind the door or if I'm testing something to make sure it will work online.

I've not done a lot of work lately because of my slight graphical problem with Graal. I'm waiting for 3.0 to be released (if it hasn't been already) to see if that fixes my problem. If it does, I'll be back in gear again. If not, I'll try to work around it until it does get resolved.

Best of luck GYoshi. If I was you i'd get a loan, a sponsor, and make my own game. That is how good your playerworld looks. :)

lol, thanks but I have inadequate knowledge of C++.

Well, i'm not saying that you need to do it yourself. :)

x_X.. Back to the main topic..

ALL Inspections shall begin after Nemesis returns.

Yes, incluiding all UC playerworlds I hope:
Rudoria, Maloria, Valikorlia, Terra, Doragon Koden, Oasis, Cynical, Graal2230, Shifting Ages.

Also, these servers putting up a "door" or a Starting Screen sending players to another pw because they are redoing the playerworld, should not be allowed to do that.

Do you even know why?

Most importantly, I myself don't want people coming on and perhaps seeing something I've worked on and start releasing screens or info about it. I may not be ready or am waiting for a time to release whatever top-secret thing I've been working on and to let some yutz log on and spoil my surprise is not worth it. Yes, I can easily put it somewhere else, but I shouldn't have to :p

Another thing is to keep what unique ideas I may have my own so that someone else doesn't try to rip them off and say they are thier own. What's going on is really none of your business unless otherwise something is said. If I want people to know about something I'm working on or have accomplished, I will tell them on a need-to-know basis.

I also don't like going on to try to work on online stuff and be pestered by idiot players wanting to be staff for things like GP, ET, or FAQ. I tell them no and they start thier little whining campaign and won't shut up until I give them the boot or they get the picture, whichever comes first or I'm in the mood for :p

I sometimes think that, instead of little areas for the players to run around in, UC servers should have slideshows/intros/whatever for players to watch. A selection of screenshots, perhaps, with some text describing the world's features. It'd be much more interesting and informative than a boring little playpen.

I have a small batch of images that I go through with a script on my door :) Just no text to tell what will be there considering that it may change at any time as can my levels and scripts which is why I don't bother uploading everything I do right after I am "done" with it. I've pretty much already put out information on some of the features my PW will have, just not all ;)

That would actually be very nice. But then again. We know most server wouldn't do that.

No, I mean the servers not UC, putting up a starting screen, sending people off to another server, because they are redoing everything.

Yes there are classed under 'ALL' and most of them just get annoyed of player PMs or some want to get down to full work instead of having to bother about a 'playpen', as kai said, which the players also expect updates in.

Which is exactly why I don't have level or two available for players to "hang out" in. I don't have time for that :p

Got lazy while reading the last part of the thread.
I beleive, Oasis and Shifting Ages are higher class servers, as well as DK. These are servers, that actually show work, as opposed to the others which just say they are redoing everything, when a month later after managment as rotated 5 times they close it down again. There are levels of class for servers, and the equation is new gfx+new interface=better.

Ofcourse there are maybe 3 good classic servers, that people actually play. The others are just there wasting money, and they need to be inspected. Why? Because they are servers that show nothing and just talk. Konidias, Soul-Blade, and GYoshi all show work, may it be every week or month, they still show something.

I have yet to see anything from DK, could I see something? I played DK when it was online and even when it just started out, it didn't get a very large playercount. They were mainly staffers that played it.

This maybe a different case now, but oasis hasn't shown any work in a long time... longer then a month I can tell you that. Shifting ages I think showed something, not sure...

I yet to see anything from "DK"

Shifting ages wouldn't, the owned is a spaz about secrecy

Hey! Yes, you! Did you even bother to check the specific PW forums? It does help if you check there every so often.

YOU, SIR, WERE SPANKED!

I show very little, yes, but I still show things. I may even work on something like Kai said...

I am more of a following a NewWorld kind of system. Secret, organized, and very well done. Though, I am not secret, compared to them heh.

As well as myself and probably Konidias. 'Tis a shame that people still can't figure out why :p