Yeah, sure thing. :)

::wubs excal::

Jin, it is truely not you that has to complain.
I just loaded the complete message history between us, and all I see is you annoying me - "RESTORE ME" - "HOLD AN EVENT" - Just 50 times worse. Don't you get the fact that if I say "no" over 10 times or just do not answer, I am slowly becoming angry?
About that part in which I supposedly admit that I am corrupt, I do not really want to argue wether I am with someone who obviously hates me, so I rather "admit" it to make you shut up about that.

Just the most recent part here.
Opposite (30.01.2003 23:00:22):

help me

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Opposite (30.01.2003 23:01:55):

help me

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Opposite (30.01.2003 23:01:59):

waahhhhh

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Opposite (30.01.2003 23:05:44):

waahhhh

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Opposite (30.01.2003 23:05:54):

lets have an event for a cool weapon

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Opposite (30.01.2003 23:21:52):

I think I'm gonna sell this weapon, because it stinks, since it owns no one

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You (30.01.2003 23:22:04):

It is prepared, who would buy?

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Opposite (30.01.2003 23:22:21):

oh yeah, wahhhh

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Opposite (30.01.2003 23:26:29):

can u change it back to like it was before anything?!? and I get the prepare
weapon and 3 IWD's back with 100 diamonds?

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You (30.01.2003 23:26:40):

no.

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Opposite (30.01.2003 23:26:50):

wahhh

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Opposite (02.02.2003 23:52:57):

WHTS GOING ON?!!?

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Opposite (02.02.2003 23:53:15):

whts going on?!!?

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Opposite (07.02.2003 19:56:37):

RESET A WEAPON FOR ME!?!?

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You (07.02.2003 19:57:20):

NO?!?!

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Opposite (07.02.2003 19:57:27):

please?!?!?

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You (07.02.2003 19:57:58):

No?!??!

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Opposite (07.02.2003 19:58:29):

coem on dude, that acc only got 4 days left and I want to be able to use it again

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Opposite (07.02.2003 20:08:55):

reser my war axe?!!??!

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Opposite (08.02.2003 03:20:43):

can u clear my weapon now?!?!?!

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Opposite (08.02.2003 03:21:25):

can u clear my waraxe now?!?!

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Opposite (08.02.2003 03:26:13):

PELSAE?!??!

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Opposite (08.02.2003 03:29:06):

can u also reset SHrimps weapon
?!?!

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Opposite (08.02.2003 03:33:06):

please??

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Opposite (08.02.2003 03:37:26):

PLEASE?!??!?!

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You (08.02.2003 03:38:06):

I AM WORKING.
ONE MORE PM AND I RESET YOUR WHOLE ACCOUNT.

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Opposite (08.02.2003 03:39:24):

COME ON DUDE, reset our weapons

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Opposite (08.02.2003 03:41:23):

U RESETED ME?!?!?!

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Opposite (08.02.2003 03:41:54):

OMG, WHY U RESET ME>!>!

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Opposite (08.02.2003 03:41:57):

DAMNIT

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Opposite (08.02.2003 03:42:01):

WTF?!?!?

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You (08.02.2003 03:42:04):

Loriel (08.02.2003 03:38:06):
I AM WORKING.
ONE MORE PM AND I RESET YOUR WHOLE
ACCOUNT.

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Opposite (08.02.2003 03:42:06):

WHY U DO THAT?!?!

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Opposite (08.02.2003 03:42:17):

I didnt' get that pm

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Opposite (08.02.2003 03:42:25):

dude, bring me back

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You (08.02.2003 03:42:29):

Oooooh I am sooooo sorrry. Not.

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Opposite (08.02.2003 03:43:49):

restore me

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Opposite (08.02.2003 03:43:58):

restore me pase

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Opposite (08.02.2003 03:45:51):

thats not fnny, please bring me back now

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Opposite (08.02.2003 03:45:58):

bring me back

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Opposite (08.02.2003 03:46:30):

RESTORE ME PLEASE!!!

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Opposite (08.02.2003 03:47:58):

restore me

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Opposite (08.02.2003 03:48:04):

plesae restore me

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Opposite (08.02.2003 03:49:25):

RESTORE ME

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Opposite (08.02.2003 03:50:32):

RESTORE ME

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Opposite (08.02.2003 03:50:41):

RESTORE <E

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Opposite (08.02.2003 03:52:25):

RESOTRE ME

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You (08.02.2003 03:54:25):

Change your nick NOW or I will delete the backups so not even
Stefan could restore you.

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Opposite (08.02.2003 03:54:38):

restore me then

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Opposite (08.02.2003 03:55:32):

restore me

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Opposite (08.02.2003 03:56:55):

RESTORE ME NOW

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You (08.02.2003 03:57:24):

Stop PMing me and I will perhaps restore you tomorrow

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Opposite (08.02.2003 03:57:35):

omg, restore me now

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Opposite (08.02.2003 03:57:52):

thats not even allowed to reset for a treat or annoyance

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Opposite (08.02.2003 03:59:42):

restore me dude, restotre me now, wht ur doing is illegal

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Opposite (08.02.2003 04:00:05):

ur abusing rc powers

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You (08.02.2003 04:01:14):

Yes, it is, and there is nothing you can do.

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Opposite (08.02.2003 04:02:08):

well, I seem to have ur history which everyone now knows about, and that will
pretty much allow u to lose ur job = )

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You (08.02.2003 04:06:02):

I doubt that.

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Opposite (08.02.2003 04:06:08):

heh

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Opposite (08.02.2003 04:07:12):

I'm going to post this hiroty now since I have been tretned and found out that u
are abusing ur RC powers since u wont restore me, and if u kick me off, others
will ddo it for me

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Opposite (08.02.2003 04:12:11):

u gonna restore me now, or wait for Stefan to get on and here of this?

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You (08.02.2003 04:12:29):

I think we will wait.

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Opposite (08.02.2003 04:12:49):

ok

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Opposite (08.02.2003 04:19:42):

u gonna resotre me now?

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You (08.02.2003 04:20:31):

Look, I said, NO.

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Opposite (08.02.2003 04:20:48):

ok, I guess u wanna get fired for abusing rc

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Opposite (08.02.2003 04:22:38):

???????

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You (08.02.2003 04:22:59):

Look, the more you annoy me, the smaller are your chances

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Opposite (08.02.2003 04:23:07):

heh




I cannot ignore people on RC, I cannot ban people, I cannot work if some random person PMs me all the time.

In my opinion, the fact that prepared weapons cannot be prepared further and can hardly be sold/transferred due to the name restriction is a good thing. It supposedly makes people think before they make their weapon a uber thing.
But obviously, most people do not think before doing so, and then they run to staff and complain. I am definately not going to support mindless preparers. Sorry.
Perhaps in the future, an item like a scroll can be added that removes all blessings and preparations from a weapon. But that is beyond my power.

Just for the record, you have been restored by now. So stop complaining and have fun again, but listen to me when I say "no" next time.

Sigh. This is a stupid situation; admins get pestered all the time, it's normal. To be so childish as to reset his account is completely inexcusable. I have no idea why Loriel wasn't permanently banned from all staff positions a long time ago - it's not as if he has any actual talents.

I would say resetting him was a little extreme, but Loriel gave him a chance. Two in fact

He gave him the warning about the reset, he still pmed.
He said if he stopped pming him, he would restore him later. He kept PMing him. So I'd say it's six to one and half a dozen to the other.

Harrassment has its penalties.


When an admin has set his nick to DND, that stands for "do not disturb." If you receive a PM when requesting not to be disturbed there's always the chance it's important, so you are obligated to check.....slowing down other business. When warned to cease an activity, it is prudent to do so.





Kaimetsu:
Loriel can script quite well; he's on par with Jagen, I'd say.. You know that, right?

*shrugs*

I know that he's a scripter but he's hardly good enough to justify his constant disregard for the players. Besides, his jobs are rarely purely about scripting.

Errmm...if he said he was restoring you tomorrow you should have just wait instead of bish 100 times more which can only make it worst x.x That was a bit extreme of Loriel though.....

I thought you said he had no talent, which is of course incorrect.

As for disregard, in this case the victim had it coming.

As far as I know, my statement is correct. I have never seen him exhibit any talents. People tell me he is a good scripter so, despite disagreements from my experiences, I shrug and say 'even if'.

Hardly. 'Annoying Loriel' is not a crime as defined by the rules. Loriel even agreed that his actions were illegal.

I have to agree that Loriel went too far by reseting your account but you also had no right to constantly PM him about restoring your weapon which shouldn't be allowed.
You prepared it so you have to live with it.
Not just when you want to sell it go annoying an admin to reset it.
Loriel was right in not restoring your weapon but wrong in reseting you.

No, I did not.

Also if Loriels nickname is dnd or DND. DONT ANNOY HIM! Thats like the first warning. And after I agreed with Loriel yesterday he went in this other account and tryed to kill me alot and got some stupid samurais to kill me when I try to get him back.

Didn't you EVEN here Loriel? He said that he agreed with him for he can stop bugging him. Duh! He didn't do anything illegal or abuse of. If you kept annoying him YOU should of stopped. Wouldn't you do that if someone was annoying you and PMed you like 100 times!?!?! Case closed but Loriel did put a little pressure into it. He could of just tooked away something from him.

Terrorizing Staffs
 

Hello now I will say something!!!
Staffs like me or Loriel get lots of PM's, to hold Events or such ****.
Its not our Problem if you need a Weapon resetted or want a Event hold. I for example, I host Events when I think its right to.
But lots of People say: MAKE EVENT! MAKE EVENT! when iam not able to hold one.
So we try to do our Job and we are no Slaves!!!
So try to have respect for our Work.
Thats what I have to say to this ****.

Your Darklux
(P.s.: I unignored all People, but if someone is going on my nerve about Events when I have no Tag on I will Ignore him)

I didn't know I annoyed you that much X_x
Sorry
I just needed to kill someone that day and u said earlier that u would reset it if I got voodoo master to stop bothering you and I did, then u ran away from me =*(
But all I can say now after veiwing the history is.......
Sorry =*(

Umm, Loriel, you know, the ignore option is there for a reason.

You didn't read the full thread did you?
He was on RC where there is no ignore feature.

It's common sense, if a Policeman tells you to get on the ground and you dont do it, then there is going to be a club in your face or maybe even a bullet in your thigh.

And there is one thing wrong with your history...
Loriel wouldn't have six names, he'd have one.

Secondly, I am 100% sure that his name was Loriel -Do Not PM Me-
or something similiar to that. So it's common sense not to PM him.

I mean come on, how stupid do you have to be to keep talking to him after he said "Dont PM me or I'll reset your account"?

But I didn't get the warning pm, thats why I kept going

Opposite (08.02.2003 03:59:42):
restore me dude, restotre me now, wht ur doing is illegal
You (08.02.2003 04:01:14):
Yes, it is, and there is nothing you can do.

Corruption at its finest :rolleyes:

Oh, so he lied to a player. Nice defence(!)

Me? What? No. Maybe the person should have stopped, but that doesn't make Loriel's behaviour any more acceptable.

No, I wouldn't.

Don't be so stupid. The case is not closed just because you've put forward your joke of an argument.

That's a terrible thing to say :( , implying Loriel is far too stupid to stop looking at pm's or check where they come from.


Hah, I don't even check my pm's when im really busy with a script. Beat that for DND!


Im sorry that sounded mean. :( Loriel, stay calm next time. Other dude, what's done as done, get restored and learn how not to be annoying.

Hmm. I'm neutral in this. ArchonX (Account, I forget his nick ;x) is pretty stupid for PMing someone with the name "DND" and kept going after he yelled. Loriel is my friend, he's good and all, but the reseting was a little extreme. If he deleted the backups, :o.

An other way is to hide your RC from showing on the game.

that doesnt exist and/or isnt enabled :rolleyes:

I implied nothing.
I'm sure Loriel is smart enough to actually open the PMs his RC gets incase one of them happens to be important.
Not all PMs admins get are to bug them or ask them for things.
Some actually are important so it's best to at least skim read them.

Oh, and if you'd read in the user agreement, you'll see that
The Admin has the right to determine which is right and which is wrong

So you can just go and sue Graal and lose alot of money or something.

Yes, but that doesn't mean it wasn't an abuse of power. It doesn't mean Stefan/Unixmad would condone it.

I got restored, I am happy

I do this to stefan, mabey not as extreme, but I do bug him. He just ignores it until I start singing and he tells me off or something. :) He doesn't reset me.

But Loriel, your not on there to work, your on debug to work. You got your RC on the main server to help the players, fix accounts, hold events, add event prizes. And i'm not sure, but even uploading things. I don't really think uploading requires that much effort, does it? :confused:

I personalysay Go Loriel.

It was his reserved right to do what he did.

Not only did the guy originaly edit the original converstation, but he acted like a total gooober.

Sure it was harsh, but thats what he gets for being stupid.

As for right or not right? It wasn't corrupt or illegal, it was over the top, and esialy fixed. Theres no reason why he shoudn't of done it.

The punishment in itself is worse then a banning, you're online, but with nothing and not able to do anything, as with a banning you just cant get online.

Now he can get restored esialy.

It was not illegal to do this with the account backups



And the jin/archaon guy:

The heck is your problem? You're the one that started this whole thing by provoking an admin, do you seriously think they are not people? Do you seriously think you have the RIGHT to do what you did? No, you paied to play not to disobey the rules as you please.

I don't see why you guys dont realize what loriel was doing.
If he has his name as dnd or working or something, that implys that he doesnt want to be disturbed, Jin had the balls to go up to him and bug him repeadedly. It was his own fualt for not taking loriels threat seriously!

Loriel was doing his job, and its hard enough withought an extreemly anoying guy like Jin begging for stupid stuff all the time.

It depends if you're trying to get something just right, or fixing a script in a level, or variables in the script. Uploading can just be zip and done, but other times it can be a very very tedious task.

An abuse of power is resetting him and never restoring him.

It was a harsh punishment, but I dont think you're seeing how esialy it can be undone, thats the whole reson he would do it. If the resotring was not posible as esialy as it is, I doubt he would of done it.

Who knows if Stefan and Unix condone it, who knows, they might see it as a new punishment in general, being a blank account instead of what you had, then eventualy going back. Its worse then banning, well in my opinyon.

It was not an abuse of power, it was in his descression as an admin to do it. But if he did not restore the account reguardless of what he said, that would be an abuse.

The whole basis of resseting as punishment, is having the ablity to restore them.



About you saying that loriel should of been removed along time ago.

He was here long before you kai, he has experance, something that most administrators dont have a chance to get unless they are around for a long time. He's a developer and an administrator thats qualified, if not overqualifed for most tasks on graal servers.

It was in your history, you got it.

loriel:
you:

If you guys would read both storys, you would see that Loriel tollerated him for long enough, each time you get a pm on RC, you see a gold bubble in your task bar, now what if that pm is important?

*shrugs*

I've been told he can script. What else? I've never heard of him doing anything useful in an administrative context. Experience is worthless if you don't use it to improve yourself.

No you belive its an open and shut case because of his argument? Excuse me, read both loggs and both of their thoughts.

It was within his descression to do that, even if you dont agree with it, it was not corrupt.

I explained that with my "because it can be undone" in my other post.

He used to manage graal2001.

He does mild graphics, he can script fairly well. He can make levels good.

He has the knolege of administrating and graals ethics, as well as the ablity to work effenciently and fast on rc because of his experance.

But yes, not alot of people see what he can do lately because of 2k2s obscure way of development and addition.

This HAS to be the most dimwitted comment in all of the forum.

I mean PMs cause lag. And ALOT of lag. You cant even work if your buddy list is swarming in PMs.

If you're going to accuse someone of being stupid for clicking on PMs then people are going to start to mock you for answering PMs. So you might as well just ignore EVERYONE

It doesn't matter. Wiping accounts and taunting players is not something that admins should be doing, regardless of the provocation.

Like hell. He knows how to play with people for his own amusement or convenience but that's about it. His actions are completely unsuitable for a professional game.