Listen to Luda. GTFO of the thread with the off-topic arguing or I'll have to start deleting posts and dishing out bans.

so basically you're butthurt because we're mean?

by simplifying the whole thing to "mean" you make me seem like im the whiny brat that wants to get his way; when youre really avoiding the whole issue of people being douches about my artwork by consistently and exagerating errors that arent that important to annoy me, all im doing is defending myself against this and you know it and also exploit it to annoy me; which yes, makes you mean. but i dont really care anymore this has been going on for too long. XD

/whatever this whole thing was.

but hey this is getting too off topic on this fourm and i dont want to get banned. (well im not too sure about that).
sorry Luda delete all these off topic posts please.
nice drawing i like the style ^_^ did you do it free-drawn or straight edit? i really like it.

you dont understand, if something is bad the community will say it's bad. most of us don't sugarcoat our posts. none of my posts have "exaggerated" your errors (you claim i'm an example of your point afterall).

but ya mod should throw these posts into thepimp's thread.

i have a arguement to that but im not posting it mainly because i want to forget this. techno doggeh has given me a powerfull lesson. who gives a **** what others say just bounce your ass off. and ignore them it doesnt affect you in any way. mod please delete all these spam posts.
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Reading these threads are very painful to me. It's rather backwards the way some of you people treat developers and potential developers on these forums. Some of these people are just posting their work asking for constructive criticism, and all you do is tell them how bad it is and shoot them down unless the person who posted it is your friend or well-known.

You people constantly complain about the state of decline on Graal. Have you ever wondered if you're partly to blame? What if you guys are helping to drive away some developers who could be potentially developing. Why don't you take some of that negative energy and use it to do something productive.

I have seen, for one of many examples, thepimp do nothing wrong to this community, yet everyone enjoys picking very harshly at his work. When he brings it up, clearly upset over it, everyone just continues to pick at him and tell him "tough luck, this is the internet kid." It's this kind of attitude that drives people away from posting here and prevents people from actually improving their work.

Just by posting a few of his (beginner) graphical works, he has shown more initiative and promise than some of the people who are hounding him over it. This is supposed to be a development community; we are all supposed to work together to build Graal together. That's how it has always been. It's time to face it: Graal is not going to just magically build itself, and it needs help from the community to continue going.

I know countless people who refuse to come onto the forums simply because of the negative atmosphere that is on here. The forums are supposed to be a communication center on which everyone can collaborate together and create projects.

It's time that some of you just bite your tongue and not say anything if you can't say something nice or constructive, especially when it comes to developing- the one thing that has kept Graal alive.

Then obviously you missed the part where thepimp immediately assumed everything negative was hostile and personal rather than just less-than-helpful criticism. The first thing he posted was a tree, and I told him the perspective was off. His immediate response was "it looks fine to me". And that was before this thread, where he jumped in making it about himself. What's happening here is hazing. What's an uptight developer who can't get in touch with a community? Better he be ready for insults. You didn't see Elk pouting over his lamps being beat up on Era.


Read a bit before you start trying to play around with the idea of justice Tig, you've been known to handle it wrong before.

Besides, here you are complaining about the community, when you've already made it apparent there's no place for community discussion, even including the servers you manage.

luda planned for this to happen all along obviously

I'm ashamed of the way that people have treated thepimp.
He's just tryna fit in, give the people what they want and make some green along the way, straight dope yall. Ballin'.

Say what you will; in my opinion, none of this makes any difference to the points I have outlined in my post.

Seriously though, if he wants to be taken seriously then he should change his account name. And quite frankly his whole personality. Also should probably move interstate, yall.

Back on topic: I like Luda's drawings and would like to see more of them.

Yeah now I wanna see a paper girl to match

Women can't have jobs you silly

Not funny.