Community Names aren't the same as account. Many have been changed since his departure anyway (At Stefan's discretion of course since nobody by him can do it). So I'm not sure what you're getting at beyond missing Ibonic. :p

@Dem, as Bell said: We're not the legal council on this issue but changed or not, in the original TOS and whatnot, it still didn't say anything about owning them and that (Although, yes my choice of words may have been "renting" and it doesn't strictly follow "renting" standards, etc etc because people like to nitpick) they albeit are merely on loan to the player. Don't nitpick "on loan" either, it's always been like that, never "owned". The most I can pinpoint that has changed was the wording as the Directors enhanced their English skills. Nothing specifically "TOS Changing" that would void original agreements.

tsadmin i still don't understand your logic and im not nitpicking. When i am loaned something, I can still give it to other people, it's just that im responsible for returning it. So long as an account is being paid for, why does it matter if it's being shared? Yes Graal still owns the account, but it's the same with a car loan or mortgage loan etc.. Anyone can live in my mom's house, or even drive her car (shocking!^^) even though she is still on a loan. Look of some definitions before you use words as your examples. You are saying one thing and meaning another....

Then let me say it bluntly, without metaphors:

Account sharing = Not allowed.
Account selling/lending = Not allowed.
Punishment for such actions = Global ban or Account Lockout at original players expense.

I'm honestly ashamed with you globals... Grow the hell up. If you're going to fight with players on your own forums its no wonder for other than content reasons players don't want to come back. It's funny I have seen you guys behave a lot more professionally but seriously you're fighting like children. It was funny at first but now just give it a rest.

tl;dr version: Stop fighting like children, Close the thread or take the fight to PMs for you're being pretty ridiculous.

You and I must have very different ideas of what "fighting" is then :p I see a lot of clarification and a lot of misunderstandings where I assume you see argument and slander.

I agree though, this thread appears to have served it's purpose and Logababy has his answer. On that note though, these aren't "our (globals)" forums, just to clarify. If they were, I'd at least have mod somewhere, even at least a subforum. I don't.

i agree with tsadmin, we werent fighting. I like him as a Global and respect. I was just trying to get him to say what he wanted to say! I knew all along what he meant. But nonetheless hes right, this thread should have been closed a long time ago.

I used a poor choice of word. I meant to say to stop bickering. It's unnecessary and honestly it can be slightly viewed as a fight by some people. What I meant by fight was to stop arguing.

If anyone, it's those continually nitpicking what they say that need to grow up. The globals didn't make the rules and there's no reason to argue with them about the legality of them. They are just trying to help people with questions understand the ToS regarding accounts.

Way to pucker up! Hehe.
This controversy is only spurring because a majority of people don't bother to read the ToS. On this note, since upgrading an account would require an individual to sort of renew the agreement, would I lose lifetime classic?

No.

Why is this in the playerworlds forum anyways?

Look at it this way.
Graal = online game
Character on Graal = part of online game

you can't "own the internet, or anything on the internet" its impossible because there are no sellers. You may RENT website domain, you may RENT and account on various websites, but you cannot physically own anything on the internet. If this was an offline game, where you played by yourself, then it wouldn't really matter anyway. Yet, thats that .

Where should it be?

http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...isplay.php?f=4

Above, at the least, since changing your account name has nothing to do with playerworlds whatsoever.

But the best thing to do would be to search, at the least, contacts for staff and contact them. Found this in 2 minutes or less, probably less.

http://forums.graalonline.com/forums...cement.php?f=4

Oh well I found out that I can't now.
Thanks anyway.