TooTy has been LAT for a few months (hired before Christmas) and is spectacular and loves to work.

Luca and Alex have been NATs for awhile. GK is good too but is working on that system.

Streety was a decent GAT.

Together, Streety, Luca, and TooTy by themselves could have at least made UN a little less horrible.

nothing productive comes out of firing streety either, but it certainty happened

And they did. Luca did a lot of behind the scenes work, TooTy fixed Town Center and did event levels (?), Streety did tons of work for holidays to make UN festive! Alex did a loooot of NAT work too.

A point was made that 1 out of the 4 PWAs actually log on UN once in a while, and that's Bell. How do they actually know what kind of job he's doing?

FAQ and ET teams are/were horrible. GP has been alright for awhile because BD knows what he's doing.

I can think of quite a few people that applied as FAQ/ET and were rejected because Streety didn't like them. Especially with ET, recently. I won't say their names but Allona wanted to hire them but Streety wouldn't let her. Now we're stuck with a bunch of horrible ETs that never pay attention in events.

I can't say the names of the FAQ applicants without permission, but since snoop said I could - yeah. He was ET Admin before and wanted to be ET again. Way better than Shannon/Ph8/and whatever else scrub FAQs there are.

Nothing was released on UN during his management that UN staff made except fishing. woo

I agree, I really do. I don't see how the PWA think firing a Manager without talking to him about exactly what needs to be changed can ever help the server progress in a better direction. Not only that, but to put Backdraft in the position without having enough time to learn the ins and outs of the other staff teams, at the minimum the scripting side, is unfair to him. The whole situation is laughable to be honest, but this topic wont make a difference.

And while I am thinking about it, LOL at the person who posted a poll. How many players do you think actually come to these forums to even vote on those that you use that as a reference? If anything, it is most likely players from other server who don't like UN.

Deuces.

lol are you ****ing kidding me?
Luca would try to fix things but Streety would undo his edits.
TooTy did a lot and wanted to do more but Streety would give her a hard time for asking for rights when she wanted to service players asking for guild houses to be updated or to fix other level issues.
Streety didn't do "tons of work". He recycled content sz made for holidays.

Did I mention how Luca wanted to develop a few things but needed a custom tileset for it? Guess which graphics maker said he'd help him but didn't..

Edit: Crono, I know you're hurt that your friend that let you sit on the FAQ team and BD Donuts for ages while you gave little to no care to it is fired, but please.. take your assumptions elsewhere.

As far as FAQ applicants are concerned, that would have been my decision to reject the candidates you are talking about. I rejected them for one of 2 reasons.

1. They were recent staff reapplying for a job they figured would give them rights without responsibility.

or

2. They simply were not good enough.

We had a total of 25 applications over the last 3 FAQ hirings. That isn't anyone's fault, it is a fact.

Funny, I was thinking the same thing when I read this:
Are you ****ing kidding me? We have an awesome ET team! They do weekly tournaments, and are active everyday. We don't have a FAQ team because it isn't needed. I'm almost 100% sure that Allona and other team admins don't need Streety's permission to hire cadets.

Yay, a piss poor attempt to be clever.
The ET team is mediocre. Sure, two of them host a lot but none of them really pay attention in events, which leads to people cheating a LOT. Pretty lame considering other candidates that weren't hired because Streety doesn't like them.

I remember Allona posted a message on the UN forums that suggested she wasn't very thrilled with her choices of ETs but she had to make due with the people who don't pay attention in events because there were very little applications for it. Whenever the ETA implies something like this, there is a problem ^_^

Still waiting for you to list off Streety's accomplishments as Manager..

List our recent Managers and their "Accomplishments".

I listed them in a previous post. :)

Could you please tell me which two ETs host a lot?

First of all, when Allona said this it's because there just weren't a lot of players that applied, PERIOD. Why would you? ET is one of the most-scrutinized and least-enjoyable staff jobs. I can assure you that if anyone personally vetoed someone from a PR job like ET, it would be me, not Streety.

Streety
- Fishing system that no one uses
- Staying as Manager for over a year while doing next to nothing

sub-zero
- Made the Halloween and Christmas events that Streety recycled.

Malinko
- New mining that no one uses anymore because someone under Streety's management nerfed it
- New shops
- Made the server fun
- Giant PK war
(yes, Malinko was very, very corrupt, but he actually made UN fun)

Spryte
- Staying as Manager for awhile while doing nothing

No, it was actually Streety.

Can you please prove this? You seem very sure of yourself.

I think PWA made a bad decision and carried out their decision in a very unprofessional manner by just firing Streety like that. On the bright side though it is less stress and drama for him; being a manager isn't always that fun. Sorry to see you go Streety :( hopefully you'll stick around Graal for a bit longer.

No, not really Kay.
Globals seem to have a history of taking forever to fire bad Managers (Master Storm, Spryte x2). I'm glad they seem to not letting history repeat itself because I actually want to see UN become fun again.

Look, I'm not getting involved in the arguments. I try to stay as far away from these as I possibly can, but I just need to input a few things.

I don't know where you're getting all your information, but you are making a lot of invalid points.

I never once refuted, or undid anything he did. I like to think the two of us had a fairly mild relationship, and had no problems. I supported any changes he did, and was always enthusiastic about it.

The one thing I asked him to do, was stop testing all of his work in Town Center, or OSL. Lots of times things get left on accident, and I didn't want to subject players to unfinished work, or potentially harmful npcs. I did also request he informs me of what he changed, because I liked to be updated on what exactly is going through the server. That was my job, afterall.

I never once gave TooT a hard time for any rights she asked for, so long as she had a rational reason when asking for them. The two of us butted heads when I made her LAT Admin, because I felt like she was taking too much at a time, but that was a one time thing. The only Guild House problem the two of us had, was that she didn't get the rights to the hat folder to lay hats, because UN has a hat db that you have to run them through prior to placing a level NPC.

That is just absurd. Do you realize that the Winter prior to my promotion to "Manager" sz and I BOTH worked on the holiday? It was a joint thing, and was how he taught me the vines and branches of management. Anything other than that was completely original, and spawned from my imagination -- or brought back for nostalgic reasons (ie. Ski Slope (but recall the quests, which were all of my invention).

Every holiday since my management has been of my mind, and of my staff's hard labor. As Absolut_Crono said, do you expect the manager to develop everything on the server on his own? I am not a scripter. I am a graphics artist. I did my part, and gave credit where it was due. The only thing that wasn't sourced from me, was Rufus', Dusty's, Crono's, (etc) hard work on the Winter 2009 present system, which came out beautifully.

People hop aboard a staff job knowing that it's for the team, and not for themselves. Me and GK work together very closely on the achievement system, to the point where I had him updating me three times a week via my personal email (so I could read and reply on my phone, when I was out of the house) on what changes he made.

Yes, I told Luca I would try to get his graphics done. On the same note, however, I'm managing (managing, not creating) the other projects going on with the server; which include things like the TCPK updates for kill counters, and kill streaks, trying to get the fixes made to town spar, guild battle arenas for a suggested Guild Center TooT and I discussed amongst the team.


I don't mean to come off conceited, either. I wasn't God's gift to management. We worked together though, for the most part, and really made solid attempts to get things done. Perhaps I could have done more to assure promises such as the "pet system" would have been released, by making backups frequently of the files. I was still new to the trade, though, and these are mistakes one must make in order to learn. I would have never expected the scripter to quit the way he did, and leave the system in shambles.

When my promises went bad, I made sure that I tried to make it up in some way or another to server. Finding trustworthy staff members to make sure those promises will pull through is a difficult feat in today's day on Graal.

You also need to realize that there isn't a lot that I can sit down and add to UN. Things need to be thought through, and 90% of the ideas I come up with to add are thrown out. I couldn't follow past management's mistake of simply uploading content, over content, over content. I tried that approach early in my management by working on things like CS, Fishing, the Aquarium, Seaport updates in general (which fell through because of lack of script hands) with Joe. It doesn't work out. It results in clutter, mess, and unused releases on the server.

Things like the achievement system were an innovative approach to try and integrate new things into the server, as opposed to simply adding.

On a last note, remember that my early management was wasted cleaning up after Malinko, and other management/staff. You weren't involved internally, so you don't know the extent of garbage we had to sift through. I owe a lot of thanks to Rage, Luca, and the other developers for that help. We all made a solid attempt to change UN for the better, and not simply add fuel into the fire (in this case, the fire being a decaying server)... Because eventually, it would have burned up in our faces.



Edit: By the way, I went back and read the bit about recycling the Halloween events, which shows how much you've researched your argument. I came up with the prompt for the last 2 Halloweens when Crowfeather was Manager, and said he wasn't going to do anything for the holiday. I was GAT Admin, and put together the idea of the Halloween town (Evenvale), quests, etc. I utilized favored events like the hat contests to appeal to artists, and other types of contest for other interested people. The holidays were where I buckled down the hardest, to attempt and make up for lost time.

My post was just to display my opinion and not to start an argument. My opinion on the situation is my own just like yours is.

As a side note, congratulations to Backdraft on becoming Manager.

I googled good manager qualities, this is the result. I bolded the qualities that I think he demonstrated. The link is: http://www.projectsmart.co.uk/top-10...t-manager.html

Inspires a shared vision
Good Communicater
Integrity
Enthusiasm
Empathy
Competence
Ability to delegate tasks
Team-building skills
Problem solving skills

7/10? I think that's pretty good.

I would like to see what Bell has to say about the whole situation, and see the great reason the PWA had to remove Streety the way they did.

agreed

Recycling = using the same thing over again.. which you did. The only thing different this Halloween was the Wolf "quest" which IIRC required the player to just stand there in place slashing at the NPCs coming toward them. Then there was the Wolf fight which was pretty easy. Any 5 year old could do it.

By the way, I said something confusing earlier "I can't say the names of the FAQ applicants without permission, but since snoop said I could - yeah. He was ET Admin before".

I meant to say I couldn't list off any examples of FAQs rejected by you (they wouldn't want me) but I could give an example of an ET: snoop.

Edit: Anyway, Streety. I'm really sorry things had to play out the way they did. Whenever you were an Admin I thought you'd be a great choice when sz quit but you really just couldn't seem to get a handle on the whole thing. I know you really tried to get things done but you quickly began to become an unpopular Manage with how you handled players. This is why I agree with the PWA's decision: You took too long to get anything done so now it's someone else's turn to try to turn the server around. Good luck to you in whatever you choose to do and good luck to Backdraft.

Streety summed up exactly what I was typing out about those quests too. I remember when he and Sub worked on those Holidays, and was about to set the record straight on it. The Holiday events that took place were ONLY because Streety wanted them done and worked to make them happen. If you have any Holiday items it is because of Streety's work to make holidays more enjoyable.

On a side note, I watched as many developers came along and offered help on one system or another and then subsequently dropped that project. Do you think it doesn't bother Streety to see these projects get dropped? Most of the ideas for these come from Streety himself, and as a staff who worked with him I can tell you he was FAR more excited about the projects than the average player, and suffered a far greater blow when they didn't come to fruition than any other Manager I have ever known.

If you dont like him because your friend didnt get hired for a position because they were not qualified than that is your choice, but Streety was by far the most competent person to run this server right now. Even now on UN there are people complaining FAR more that he is gone than people who are glad. The PWA made a unilateral decision to remove him without consulting him, the players, or the rest of the Staff team, and were wrong for it.

Streety seems to care about the server, was he inactive or something? As someone who has been through a lot of management bull****, I just can't see the PWA removing him without a good reason.

Refurbished, would probably be a better term. I reused the concept of the Halloween town this year (that I created) from last year, and put more spins and twists on it. The only real reusing I did, was taking the cupid NPC I had made for Valentines day last year, and using it the way it was this year.

I never said "NO!! DO NOT HIRE THIS PERSON!!". There were people, that as manager, I strongly implored not to hire. I voiced my opinion about these people, and left it at that. As Vicious said, I assigned him to the task of handling hirings. If anyone told a team admin that they couldn't hire a specific person, it was him, and always for good reason.

There were several FAQs I strongly implored not to hire as well. They were the ones who had been hired before, and were fired for either inactivity, or malicious use of rights. I am a stickler for rehiring staff who were fired for inactivity. I always allowed administrators to weigh the scenario on their own, though.

We didn't even have a blacklist like there was when I was hired as GAT, under subzero, and Spryte's dual management.

I was not inactive, and was on every day lining up our projects. I'm trying to be as meek about asserting myself as I can here.

LOL Wow Crono you must be really upset.
I don't dislike him because he didn't hire my friend. It just adds onto the fact he's a bad Manager if he's going to allow crap to get hired over someone who would be good because of a personal grudge.

I'm not going to bother reading through the last few pages, I just wanted to say that Streety was an excellent Manager when I worked under him briefly. He represents everything I would look for in a Manager.

I'm not upset, I just don't understand your logic in saying that to be honest. I was the person hiring FAQs, and not once did he say "Don't hire this person. Pick someone else." In fact, he gave his opinion about Scipio and I still hired him. The fact remains that you are assuming he didnt hire someone over a grudge, when he isn't really involved in the hiring much at all, only needing to give RC and rights when necessary. The fact remains that the more likely case is that your friends were not qualified for the job to which they applied, or were former staff who did not perform well near the end of their last time as staff.

Should have listened to him.

You JUST said like three posts up that it wasn't right that Streety voiced his opinion on who not to hire because he has "personal grudges"

Wow you people seriously make me want to hit my head off a desk.
Where did I say anything about Streety having a grudge against Scipio?

not according to him. and why are you saying you two had no problems? i remember you forcing yourself into a skype call with me and a few other people and started talking **** about luca, saying how you are looking for a reason to fire him and he pisses you off.

wrong. and besides, she was the only LAT and she did a ton of work. why wouldn't you make her LAT admin? if you never had she would still be the only one.

think he said he waited 6 months for those graphics.

most of these items were ones people already had.

they are practically the same thing.

Kind of like how he harassed Sting2Dope every day looking for a reason to fire him?

I said we had a mild relationship. The only problem we had, I brought up, which was an ongoing debate between the two of us.

Wrong? Could you provide me with some examples of when I gave her a hard time? I had decided to make here LAT Admin several days after Vega001 emailed me his resignation. I didn't want to make it official until I knew she was going to be active. Old staff (which she is, having been hired multiple times) have a tendency to show up, and disappear within a month or two of being hired. As management, can you blame me for being cautious?

His tiles didn't come high on my priority list. Things come up, they get pushed down, and lost in the shuffle. I honestly don't know what to tell you. Management is a big plate to chew, and sitting down and doing a list of tiles is a time consuming process. Note the keyword try, bud!

It was my job to voice my opinion to the administration. Saying "No", and doing my job (voicing my opinion) are two entirely different things. You guys are running in circles with this, but I just can't help but think you don't have all the facts. Assumptions are turning this entire conversation into a deadly battle of slander. I really don't like my name being soiled, because I do my best to keep my nose clean.

Harassed? Sting2Dope was GP Chief, and if I recall correctly, went through some family issues. I was totally understanding, and give him a lot of time to get things sorted out.

If harassing him is asking him to get active after that allotted time, I really don't know how to do my job. Again, you guys don't have the facts. I can't think of an unbiased party who was present though, who would be able to attest for me.

Master Storm was never removed by globals. He agreed to step down when his job relocation was going to take up a majority of his time. That's the funny part. Classic has been the only case where I've seen globals forgo such management inactivity/non-direction.

You do realize several staff complaints were filed in with a huge complaint made by Staff, and players right?

I saw Streety's removal coming. Streety has already told us that Bell suggested him stepping down from Manager to Dev.. That would of been a sure hint he was lacking in management.

Believe me, I thought Streety was good at PRA issues. He was totally compliant with me when an arrogant member of Staff reset mine and several other players' ep who picked it up when a former asst eta mass dropped them in the etcenter.(I hd about 200-300 originally) Really, what kind of player wouldnt pick up ep lying on the ground? (And this arrogant person is still Staff to this day!). He always wanted to get more people playing UN, trying to become diplomatic with most of the playerbase, and did organize quite a few things such as possible observer mode removal to help the effort.

As a manager I thought he was lacking in development direction. He was pretty random in development direction and didn't focus on what needed the most attention on UN: Just exactly how do you play this tangled server?

Most of the pressing issues a player needs to first encounter weren't really hands-on by Streety. The Noob Course is currently a mess (worse than what it was originally imo), and has been made public by Staff that they were going to redo it. I dont think Streety has been hands on about that really.

Weeks ago I suggested the idea to backdraft of redoing the player quests to make them better linked to each other/non crappy so players could understand them and go through them better. Toot wanted to go ahead with it, but Streety didn't want to place priority on it, which is incredibly baffling and frustrating. Especially when Iphone players check out this game in spite of curiosity.


The achievement system should be a great success, but my gut feeling tells me that with barely anything to do outside of events now, it won't become overly successful. I can't really dispute anything about it as we will just have to wait to see how it goes.

He and Cron removed the FAQ Team, which I thought was incredibly absurd, and used the excuse of a non staff members site for the faq team. It's okay to have a site explaining what to do on UN, but it should only serve as a supplement, and really doesn't explain everything on UN.

All staff were then instructed to act as help to players, which is understandable, but a lot of staff are busy with other issues. He placed Cron on the PRA division, which I honestly don't find much useful right now. Theres only 2 non staff-related divisons as of now and Backdraft, before he came manager, had been handling PR issues quite well.

Lastly, the pet system wasn't really something Streety should of placed high emphasis on. UN is a classic server, not an RPG. It may be a fun side issue, but I can tell you several touching issues related to classic gameplay which should of been addressed. (And I really mean no offense to anyone who worked on it or is currently working on it, if current management decides to keep pursuing that system).

All in all, I think Streety's removal was pretty justified. I really hope you don't take major offense to this streety; I think youre a good person, just not the most ideal manager for UN at this time.

Streety can be beneficial if he chooses to come back as a GAT or something, but his management direction wasn't what I would consider ideal.

My two cents plainly put. It's an opinion, after all.

Sting had a completely different story than what you just told.
Just like TooTy, Luca, and everyone else.
I guess all these staff members must have randomly decided to spread lies about you..
Whenever enough people say the same thing about you (things like "streety's biased") then there is obviously a reason for it.

I don't understand why you're supporting Sting. He has to be one of the rudest players on UN..

Sting was an ******* and I didn't like him personally, but he did his job as GP Chief and if he said about Streety was true, then he definitely didn't deserve it.