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Soala 01-17-2010 12:52 PM

Yeah, so we can say it's probably something between 1455,20 and 2297 € (2092,43 and 3303 USD)

Stephen 01-17-2010 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by fowlplay4 (Post 1550854)
Fun fact: Zodiac has made 145520 gralats in sales since the release of the EXP and Character Slot shop items, which only took 30 minutes to script into the game.

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Originally Posted by fowlplay4 (Post 1550869)
Should be enough to get Zodiac's Observer Mode dropped for in-game Trial Restrictions though.

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Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 1550702)
Improving your server will help you influence the Graal Online community.

Hopefully it works out for you. It could be the first step of many needed to improve the general quality of Graal Online. :)

maximus_asinus 01-17-2010 03:51 PM

Next time you charge someone with having poor grammar, you might want to double check the images you create to mock them.

And FYI, I am the only thing greater than sliced bread.

Door 01-17-2010 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by maximus_asinus (Post 1550911)
Next time you charge someone with having poor grammar, you might want to double check the images you create to mock them.

And FYI, I am the only thing greater than sliced bread.

If you compare them, it was a direct rip tbh. I made the conscious decision (it was a hard one, but in the end I felt it was the better one) to either go for a near-carbon copy with a few changes or completely improve it. I thought the latter might push the impression of my bitter smugness a little too far! In lieu of that, this post shall do.

Liberated 01-17-2010 05:44 PM

Stephen, you should work for expertvillage!.

fowlplay4 01-17-2010 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Liberated (Post 1550891)
PS: How long has that system been up and running? If it's only been like a couple of months, it earns them quite alot of money.

Since early-mid December.

Liberated 01-17-2010 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by fowlplay4 (Post 1550929)
Since early-mid December.

sick, that much in only a month.

Crono 01-18-2010 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Imperialistic (Post 1550856)
Does that go to the server of Zodiac, or GraalOnline?

Since when did gralats go anywhere to begin with? Most of these are most likely leftovers from people upgrading their accounts and whatnot.

Stephen 01-18-2010 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Crono (Post 1550984)
Since when did gralats go anywhere to begin with? Most of these are most likely leftovers from people upgrading their accounts and whatnot.

Yea, it's true. Most people are spending their left over. Our friendly french friends need to provide some low-volume gelat packages. :cool: I would suppose it would be a good first step in establishing an effective micropayment economy on Graal.

Door 01-18-2010 01:08 AM

They already do offer that?

Immolate 01-18-2010 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 1550989)
Yea, it's true. Most people are spending their left over. Our friendly french friends need to provide some low-volume gelat packages. :cool: I would suppose it would be a good first step in establishing an effective micropayment economy on Graal.

That can already be done using mobile phones, either by call or text message. Though, it might be interesting to see other payment methods for buying small amounts.

Stephen 01-18-2010 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Immolate (Post 1550992)
That can already be done using mobile phones, either by call or text message. Though, it might be interesting to see other payment methods for buying small amounts.

I thought the SMS method was broken for a while - almost since it was created?

Immolate 01-18-2010 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 1550993)
I thought the SMS method was broken for a while - almost since it was created?

I used them to upgrade this month using text messages but it might have worked for me because I live in the UK.

fowlplay4 01-18-2010 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 1550989)
Yea, it's true. Most people are spending their left over. Our friendly french friends need to provide some low-volume gelat packages. :cool: I would suppose it would be a good first step in establishing an effective micropayment economy on Graal.

There's SMS payments, which get you a smaller pack. Zodiac's Item prices are based on the USD service. (1 SMS Usage for EXP Potions, 3 SMS Usages for Character Slot)

Anyway, more stats from the sales.

Purchases: 885
Graal# Account Purchase %: 56.04519774%

There's still quite a portion of classic accounts that are making the purchases as well.

Stephen 01-18-2010 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Immolate (Post 1550995)
I used them to upgrade this month using text messages but it might have worked for me because I live in the UK.

Perhaps fixed recently? I recall it being down ~9 weeks ago, or there abouts.
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Originally Posted by fowlplay4 (Post 1550996)
Purchases: 885
Graal# Account Purchase %: 56.04519774%

There's still quite a portion of classic accounts that are making the purchases as well.

Man, those stats are great. :D It's nice to see that you're observing that stuff. Mind filling me in on your full scope sometime?

LoneAngelIbesu 01-18-2010 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by fowlplay4 (Post 1550869)
Should be enough to get Zodiac's Observer Mode dropped for in-game Trial Restrictions though.

So you can pay for observer mode to be disabled on a server? Sucks that Valikorlia is a roleplaying server, otherwise I would implement this microtransaction stuff.

FuManchu 01-18-2010 12:53 PM

This topic in summary: Stephen wants to contribute something and Door mindlessly gives him a hard time about it.

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Originally Posted by fowlplay4 (Post 1550869)
Should be enough to get Zodiac's Observer Mode dropped for in-game Trial Restrictions though.

Trial - observer mode =... classic/gold account?

Stephen 01-18-2010 03:05 PM

I've created a revised document which should introduce users to Market Segmentation, practical reporting, and Purchase Funnels.

You can view the blog entry here.

maximus_asinus 01-18-2010 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Door (Post 1550924)
If you compare them, it was a direct rip tbh. I made the conscious decision (it was a hard one, but in the end I felt it was the better one) to either go for a near-carbon copy with a few changes or completely improve it. I thought the latter might push the impression of my bitter smugness a little too far! In lieu of that, this post shall do.

I never scrolled down far enough to see his image. Spot on, I chuckled.

Crono 01-18-2010 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by fowlplay4 (Post 1550869)
Should be enough to get Zodiac's Observer Mode dropped for in-game Trial Restrictions though.

Dunno how I missed this, but nice.

DustyPorViva 01-18-2010 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by FuManchu (Post 1551051)
This topic in summary: Stephen wants to contribute something and Door mindlessly gives him a hard time about it.



Trial - observer mode =... classic/gold account?

Try out GK if you want a good example of how a set-up like this works. Observer and trial modes are pretty much gone, and they implement either in-game limitations or a hefty amount of cash-shop(grelat) items to compensate.

This is not only way better for the players(observer mode SUCKS, especially since you get it on login), but for scripters that means they don't have to worry about scripting the many different little things to try to catch when players go into observer in events, spars, yada yada... So many things.

Liberated 01-18-2010 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DustyPorViva (Post 1551080)
yada yada

that's what my english teacher always says, is it like a normal "etc." meaning in some cultures?

DustyPorViva 01-18-2010 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Liberated (Post 1551089)
that's what my english teacher always says, is it like a normal "etc." meaning in some cultures?

I suppose so, ya :P

It's a lot less formal, though.

LoneAngelIbesu 01-19-2010 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by FuManchu (Post 1551051)
Trial - observer mode =... classic/gold account?

I don't believe so. I'm assuming the trade-off is additional Zodiac-specific trial limitations.

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Originally Posted by DustyPorViva (Post 1551080)
This is not only way better for the players(observer mode SUCKS, especially since you get it on login), but for scripters that means they don't have to worry about scripting the many different little things to try to catch when players go into observer in events, spars, yada yada... So many things.

Observer Mode is a huge bane on Valikorlia. I'm wondering if disabling observer mode requires a set amount of revenue generated via microtransactions per month. I.e., if you don't make X amount of transactions, would observer mode and other trial restrictions be reactivated?

Probably belongs in a different topic, though.

Imperialistic 01-20-2010 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Crono (Post 1550984)
Since when did gralats go anywhere to begin with? Most of these are most likely leftovers from people upgrading their accounts and whatnot.

Didn't really know where it went, and if it went to the server I'm sure they could do rare contests and use it as a prize.

Lord Sephiroth 01-21-2010 12:46 AM

I only read the first two pages of this thread because Door was starting to bother me.

I don't understand what Doors problem with Stephen is. In my allbeit limited history with Stephen he's never been anything but professional and kind, though up-front and sometimes rather blunt, he's usually right about a lot of things.

Seems rather childish that the fact that he added an "about-the-author" section to his writings is what's setting Door off. And even more childish that you're so petulant that you had to go and mock him by adding it to your signature.

I won't be so cliche as to tell you to grow up, but grow the **** up.

Door 01-21-2010 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Lord Sephiroth (Post 1551471)
I only read the first two pages of this thread because Door was starting to bother me.

I don't understand what Doors problem with Stephen is. In my allbeit limited history with Stephen he's never been anything but professional and kind, though up-front and sometimes rather blunt, he's usually right about a lot of things.

Seems rather childish that the fact that he added an "about-the-author" section to his writings is what's setting Door off. And even more childish that you're so petulant that you had to go and mock him by adding it to your signature.

I won't be so cliche as to tell you to grow up, but grow the **** up.

yo, it wasn't just his self-inflated attitude, posting this article everywhere and acting like it would save servers (nevermind the about-the-author bit, oh God why), it was the fact that he was doing all of that while the article itself was a load of nonsense. My judgment of people is based on many observations--I don't just look at intention and think that every single thing that person does is worthwhile (or the opposite) just because they originally intended to achieve good things. When even the most respectable people pump out crap, they should get crap for it.

Maybe you don't agree with me, that's fine. But this is how improvements happen. Stephen sure as hell won't be posting anything quite as bad as this anytime soon. Well... actually nm scratch that, I don't think he really cares about the quality or usefulness of anything he does, it seems way more about stamping his name on it. But who knows, maybe he's got good intentions! And somehow, that is supposed to make his crap both acceptable and impressive!

Stephen 01-21-2010 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Door (Post 1551472)
yo, it wasn't just his self-inflated attitude, posting this article everywhere and acting like it would save servers (nevermind the about-the-author bit, oh God why), it was the fact that he was doing all of that while the article itself was a load of nonsense.

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Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 1550807)
The document is intended as primer; to give playerworld managers an idea of how to effectively break up customer groups and why breaking them up would be important in the first place. I wrote it for the benefit of server managers, and as such, I went to popular servers and advertised it openly as "A message for Graal Online Server Managers".

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Originally Posted by Door (Post 1551472)
Stephen sure as hell won't be posting anything quite as bad as this anytime soon. Well... actually nm scratch that, I don't think he really cares about the quality or usefulness of anything he does, it seems way more about stamping his name on it.

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Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 1551058)
I've created a revised document which should introduce users to Market Segmentation, practical reporting, and Purchase Funnels.

You can view the blog entry here.

Just a reminder - if others haven't seen the updated first post; I created a revision a day after posting the first. Hopefully the new document is more helpful and cohesive. :)


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