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HiryuuX 06-26-2001 09:00 PM

Wow, this thread went horribly off-topic :p, it's funny how a topic about tiles can turn into this.

manton 06-26-2001 09:28 PM

Well,I was going to say something after spending 30 minutes reading this... But I think it's over.

T-Squad 06-26-2001 10:47 PM

i was gonna say something...but im the cause it was going so long :D

JungleKid 06-26-2001 11:28 PM

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Originally posted by FatherDante
G_yoshi is an adult and of everyone here he deserves our consideration the most.

Well, first off, more than 50% percent of the world are either Jewish, Catholic, Protestant, or Muslim, which means the majority of the world does worship God. Get your facts straight, Alphaflame.

TrueHeaT, I'm sorry you think marriage means nothing. Believe me, to believe as much is to believe that no relationship means anything.

As for evolution, it's scientific theory. Almost as good as fact. I believe it wholeheartedly.


Dante, TrueHeaT isn't saying marriage means nothing. He's simply stating in mathematical terms that marriage != love
you can have loveless marriages, and you can certainly have love for someone without being married. Premarital sex does not make you a sinner or anything, it's simply two people showing their care for one another. Why do you need to have a legal document issued by the government? It's not like it's even issued by the church. It's completely and utterly worthless.

On the topic of organized religion. Religion is and always has been a method to keep the populus under control. Look back to Roman times. If the emperor said that the god of harvest was angry, the people would go out and tend to their crops and make offerings to the temple. Or in Egypt, where the Pharoah was recognized as coming from the heavens. The Bible is simply propaganda designed to control people. It's meant to influence their beliefs, whether you like it or not. I believe in God, because somehow the universe got here, by one way or another.

As for evolution, I doubt you can disprove it, G_Yoshi. It's been shown so many times to be true. Trying to prove it false would be like trying to prove that spontaneous generation is true. Even the first organisms on the Earth had to be constructed by nucleic acids forming proteins and DNA/RNA strands.

If you choose to believe in the Bible, then I see nothing wrong with that. If you are, however, eluding yourselves, and there is no life after death, then I will feel sorry that you have wasted your time here on Earth.

Tybalt 06-27-2001 12:20 AM

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Originally posted by FatherDante
G_yoshi is an adult and of everyone here he deserves our consideration the most.

Well, first off, more than 50% percent of the world are either Jewish, Catholic, Protestant, or Muslim, which means the majority of the world does worship God. Get your facts straight, Alphaflame.

TrueHeaT, I'm sorry you think marriage means nothing. Believe me, to believe as much is to believe that no relationship means anything.

As for evolution, it's scientific theory. Almost as good as fact. I believe it wholeheartedly.


I don't believe marriage is nothing, I just believe that sex before marriage is not wrong.

RawPower 06-27-2001 12:21 AM

Wowsers! I sleep one night and wake up and see that this thread went from 15 posts to over 200 posts! SHEESH

Huggles 06-27-2001 12:29 AM

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Originally posted by Tybalt
Sorry but you don't need marriage for love, guy!
I'd really like to see this 'evidence', seriously.


You can get aids for 1, and many various diseases having sex with everying one..... Before marriage was the thing to go and still is according to the bible, Its adolescents in this world who is trying to change this like you.

JungleKid 06-27-2001 12:31 AM

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Originally posted by Huggles



You can get aids for 1, and many various diseases having sex with everying one..... Before marriage was the thing to go and still is according to the bible, Its adolescents in this world who is trying to change this like you.

If you follow the Bible blindly then you are deceiving yourself.

Huggles 06-27-2001 12:34 AM

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Originally posted by JungleKid


If you follow the Bible blindly then you are deceiving yourself.

Japanese follow the honorable way of marriage, so do the chinese...

Marriage is the honorable and right way to go, if your just going to live with them and have sex and move on, I can tell you right now life wont be all glorious it will probaly be hell.

Also about the abortion thing, Those people made the choice to have sex with out protection they need to take some damn responsibilitys in there life, A child is a wonderful thing, Think of the child growing up learning new things, that child could help the world also! You just dont cut its life off theres better ways, you can give it to adoption.

Tybalt 06-27-2001 12:35 AM

You don't have any right to judge someone for having sex before marriage. They aren't hurting anyone, assuming they use 'protection'.

JungleKid 06-27-2001 12:37 AM

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Originally posted by Huggles


Japanese follow the honorable way of marriage, so do the chinese...

Marriage is the honorable and right way to go, if your just going to live with them and have sex and move on, I can tell you right now life wont be all glorious it will probaly be hell.

Also about the abortion thing, Those people made the choice to have sex with out protection they need to take some damn responsibilitys in there life, A child is a wonderful thing, Think of the child growing up learning new things, that child could help the world also! You just dont cut its life off theres better ways, you can give it to adoption.

Captain, I thought you were more intelligent than to think this way. The only way you should EVER marry someone is if you truly love them and would devote your life to them. What about people getting divorces? Isn't that the same thing that's going on with abortions? It's ending a commitment that was supposed to be lifelong.

Huggles 06-27-2001 12:38 AM

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Originally posted by Tybalt
You don't have any right to judge someone for having sex before marriage. They aren't hurting anyone, assuming they use 'protection'.
Problem is when they dont use protection and they do have a baby, Having that baby is there responsibility they should of thought of that before they had sex without protection... Dont you see? They had a choice, and they can still do better things then abortion such as giving it up for adoption.

Tybalt 06-27-2001 12:40 AM

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Originally posted by Huggles


Problem is when they dont use protection and they do have a baby, Having that baby is there responsibility they should of thought of that before they had sex without protection... Dont you see? They had a choice, and they can still do better things then abortion such as giving it up for adoption.

But in the case that they do get pregnant, they have the choice of abortion or not. Of course you believe that none of them will use protection because they are 'evil sinners'.

JungleKid 06-27-2001 12:41 AM

And what about all these christian fanatics blowing up abortion clinics? What gives them the right to do that? Do they think they're on some holy mission? They're the biggest idiots involved in the abortion debate.

Huggles 06-27-2001 12:42 AM

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Originally posted by Tybalt


But in the case that they do get pregnant, they have the choice of abortion or not. Of course you believe that none of them will use protection because they are 'evil sinners'.

They can give it up for adoption, and I dont believe in evil sinners, I dont believe in hell ethier I believe the devil owns the earth and its his world right now, I believe jehovah is gods name.


Tybalt 06-27-2001 12:46 AM

What if they don't even want to put a child up for adoption? I've seen lots of kids who've gone through foster care, none of them have turned out alright! It's their choice! I don't think food from Denny's is alright, but it's not my choice to say no one can eat there.

JungleKid 06-27-2001 12:46 AM

Oh, and to prove the Bible wrong on a point:

They said God created man in his own image.
Too bad that it's been scientifically proven that we evolved from apes. And the fact that chimpanzees are 99% genetically similar to us.

Huggles 06-27-2001 12:47 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by JungleKid
Oh, and to prove the Bible wrong on a point:

They said God created man in his own image.
Too bad that it's been scientifically proven that we evolved from apes. And the fact that chimpanzees are 99% genetically similar to us.


I dont believe we evolved from apes =/

RawPower 06-27-2001 01:32 AM

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Originally posted by JungleKid
Oh, and to prove the Bible wrong on a point:

They said God created man in his own image.
Too bad that it's been scientifically proven that we evolved from apes. And the fact that chimpanzees are 99% genetically similar to us.

You can prove the bible wrong from a 1% similarity in genes. I remember this guy who was a astrologists and he was out to prove the bible wrong and find out how the earth really did start, he tried for years and when he finally came to his conclusion that he couldnt prove it wrong he became a popular priest. I sure as hell know we werent apes millions of years ago...maybe we looked like them but never were "apes" before.

Kaimetsu 06-27-2001 01:37 AM

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Originally posted by RawPower

You can prove the bible wrong from a 1% similarity in genes. I remember this guy who was a astrologists and he was out to prove the bible wrong and find out how the earth really did start, he tried for years and when he finally came to his conclusion that he couldnt prove it wrong he became a popular priest. I sure as hell know we werent apes millions of years ago...maybe we looked like them but never were "apes" before.

You can't prove religion is wrong, simply because it's so stupidly secretive. "Hey, there's a supreme being but... uh... you can't see him or touch him or anything like that..." Imaginary friends, anyone?

Anyway, "we" weren't apes but our ancestors were. Your instincts do nothing to disprove this.

RawPower 06-27-2001 02:59 AM

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Originally posted by Kaimetsu


You can't prove religion is wrong, simply because it's so stupidly secretive. "Hey, there's a supreme being but... uh... you can't see him or touch him or anything like that..." Imaginary friends, anyone?

Anyway, "we" weren't apes but our ancestors were. Your instincts do nothing to disprove this.

You cant prove that either...just by a simple similarity in DNA doesnt mean jack....

FatherDante 06-27-2001 03:21 AM

Unfortunately, I can't give anyone understanding by typing them to you. Faith is faith, I will never defend religion because it cannot be defended. All I will ever offer is solid facts; I'm no fan of apologetics but the facts oftentimes validate the faith, but when they don't, I trust the facts.

I'll have to think. Firstly, non-marital intercourse is bad. So called "protection" does not offer adequate protection to curtail the numerous negative side effects of sex. Untilo it does, no matter how much "protection" is used, intercourse will remain an irresponsible decision.

Genetics is more evidence for evolution, not against christianity. The most minsunderstood fact is that Science and Religion never conflict with each other. God created science, science is objective, religion is subjective. To say otherwise is, as philosophers and mathematicians alike say, a "categorical error."

What I ask of each of you is that you simply recognize that no matter how passionate your feelings, subjective argument goes nowhere but to your own soul. If you want to influence people, or to make a respectible case, you have to provide factual evidence. The only exception is universally accepted ethical standards like "stealing is selfish." "selfishness is bad." "Honesty is good," etc.

Tybalt 06-27-2001 03:43 AM

You can't prove religon wrong or right because it only exists in books and peoples minds =\

JungleKid 06-27-2001 03:49 AM

I wasn't proving religion wrong, I'm stating specific examples that the bible was incorrect about. And the part about the Earth being 5000 years old. I doubt any of us will dispute that that's incorrect.

RawPower 06-27-2001 07:41 AM

Most Anticipated Server
 
Which is the server you want most to come be released final version?

MoonAngel 06-27-2001 07:44 AM

OMEGA FAHERIA ^_^x

i wish there was a damn Symbol FONT for the forumz so that i could type the OMEGA Letter =\

Fai 06-27-2001 07:47 AM

UMM I THINK YOU LEFT OUT GRALLSSJ3342001

MoonAngel 06-27-2001 07:53 AM

right.. so he forgot Bowling alleys 2001 too =\

Tybalt 06-27-2001 07:54 AM

Faheria or Providence
Musurameuasamura makes me angry and so does ToT

habek 06-27-2001 08:05 AM

I think Murasamune wll kick ass

SSmutz 06-27-2001 08:22 AM

Eclipse, I know a lot of people haven't hardly heard of it, but it's turning out really nice.

Huggles 06-27-2001 09:10 AM

Nothar is currently planning on submitting so we can go up as under construction and work things out... But it will take awhile before people will notice it :D

G_yoshi 06-27-2001 09:16 AM

*sad* :(

No one cares about my PW? I am sad now...

RawPower 06-27-2001 09:23 AM

1 Attachment(s)
well here is another preview of Omega Faheria's pics1 being made. enjoy :D

G_yoshi 06-27-2001 09:25 AM

Looks nice :D

Huggles 06-27-2001 09:26 AM

1 Attachment(s)
A sample of whats to come


If you dont know what it is by now its a cyclops and will be a player race for our world, We have other races in work such as elfs, some flying guys, bugs and so on...

G_yoshi 06-27-2001 09:28 AM

That looks good too :D

Huggles 06-27-2001 09:31 AM

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Originally posted by G_yoshi
That looks good too :D
The template will be big enough to make fat ones to be ogres or make a troll, when we release it the head will be detached and made as a different template.....

I chose cyclops because do you see any other game letting you play as a cyclops? No :D

LordAzeroth 06-27-2001 10:30 AM

This poll isn't fair. I haven't released that much info on Providence,
you don't know half the stuff on it, same with other players.

I've restarted the overworld because the shape of the other one was
too small, and it was enclosed land, and I couldn't make beaches.
(TIP: Never start a playerworld on the first generated map you've ever made)

Rekad 06-27-2001 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by LordAzeroth
This poll isn't fair. I haven't released that much info on Providence,
you don't know half the stuff on it, same with other players.

I've restarted the overworld because the shape of the other one was
too small, and it was enclosed land, and I couldn't make beaches.
(TIP: Never start a playerworld on the first generated map you've ever made)

Providence = 1337 ^U^


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