where do you think i live? texas? ive lived in California, the bay area, the most liberal, pro abortion, pro choice, pro homo state in the United States all my life...im currently living in Idaho, which is FAR from any "redneck" area, and is far from the murderers and evil which lay in california...

first of all, why are we argung about this???
this is a matter for society to decide not graal

it's called debating

step down valder

Hm, maybe laboratory tests on fetuses during development has shown that pain nerves don't develop until after 3 months of being in the womb.

i know, but this isn't a thread about Abortion
can we please argue about this outside of graal, maybe in the non related forums or something

hello? did anyone read this?

So you're calling homosexuality evil too?

and obviously the woman got PUNISHED for her murder, unlike the hundreds of thousands who murder legally because of people like clinton and gore

no.

I'm sorry, but Gore did not receive more than 50% of the popular vote, and neither did Clinton. I didn't say he lost the popular vote, I said he didn't get it.

i was thinking the same thing

maybe so... but put your self in that stage... you may have some wut conciousness... and then all of a sudden, your dead... doesn't that just kinda freak you out?

Hers was a real murder, not just the stopping of the development of a being unable to be aware, unable to think. "I think, therefor I am." A baby that is aborted is not, it's unable to be.

Clinton and Gore didn't invent abortion, they didn't make it legal either. They believe that if it works, let it be. Why screw up woman's right to choose? Would you like to speak for every woman in America? I think not. I'm going to sleep.

in statistics woman that have an abortion and then become pregnent are against abortion after they have done it the first time, because they have to live with the pain of killing their child

That doesn't matter, it's still their choice.

yes, homosexuality is evil, it's stated in the Bible (help me out dante). And no matter wut you think, it's wrong. here are a few of my reasons, some simple, some deep, most very true.

1) Two men/women can't make a baby, so they've gotta be doing something wrong, right?
2) it says so in the Bible (like I said)
3) No matter how you look at it, they're sinning. They sleep around with other ***gots like crazy, spreading STD's and crap everywhere. It's a very sinful lifestyle, no matter how you look at it.
4) I now pronounce you man and... man? wtf?

everybody has a choice, to do right or wrong. women can chose to live with their sin and try to correct it, or commit annother sin and murder a human, and live with it for the rest of her life.

I'm sorry... I don't agree. :\

yes i know, but they support it...and would never do anything about it

ALRIGHT!
that pissed me off W
it is not evil
it may be stated in the bible, BUT the bible contradict's itself in SO many ways
it's says that 2 men being ogether is sin, but sais nothing about 2 woman being together as sin
it is the way they are
you cannot change that

Oh god, so ignorant...
It's wrong to not make children!? That's a horrible thing to say. If EVERYONE made children, you know how much trouble we'd be in?
It says so in the bible. The bible is FICTION. It's just a book. So this book tells us what is right and wrong? This book controls our lives? This book written thousands of years ago contains all that is good and evil? No. It's a book, wake up. That's incredibley ignorant. Saying all homosexuals are deviants that live unhealthy lifestyles is awful. Everyone's a human, man. You might as well say "humans sleep around like crazy, spreading STDs and crap everywhere." STDs are spread by everyone. Sinful? What does sin matter, it's **** written in a book of lies.

love the sinner, hate the sin, but wasn't a city destroyed PARTLY because of homosexuality? (not the main reason)

Dante may speak the word of god, but he is not an ignorant man, he is a learned man and a wise man.

and you don't know that it was originally written in the bible
the bible has been changed and added to MANY times during the many years it has been around
the homosexality part was probably written by a crazy man that thought all of his opinions were correct

That crazy man (or crazy men) could have, and most likely been the original author(s)

all i got to say is you will all see when you die...thats it...im not posting any more posts on this subject

This is exactly why I told you to step down.

*****, it is evil. MAN is the HUMAN RACE! WE ARE MAN, THEY DIDN'T SAY ONE GIANT LEAP FOR MAN AND WOMEN KIND DID THEY? No my friend, todays beliefs contadict the Bible, todays modern culture teaches against the Bible, the people in charge know it's right, so they fear it, and question it. that is why their are athiest, they're just countering the Bible in hopes of finding out the truths to it. sadly, many people today claim their religion as Christianity, or something Prodestin, but they're not. They just go to church

I don't think you should insult him like that either, TrueHeaT. The Bible is important to some people, and you should be sensitive to them.

actually the original authors didn't even speak the word of "God"
Jesus was supposedly the son of "God" and if he really truely loved all of god's children, why would he say that Homosexuality was wrong?

yeah, it's rediculess, no more post on this subject

Argh.
How can you be so sure of what happens to you, when you 'die', and things like that.
Have you ever died?
Is there anything to suggest christian beliefs are what happens when you die?
Any logic in it?
I really don't know what will happen when I die and I don't see how you possibly can.

Jesus was a jew ;P

i'm sorry to say, but just because you are athiest dosn't mean that you are against "God", it means that you do not agree with the teachings of "God"

your an athiest aren't you?

that is entirly true
and he was black ;P

I'm just sick of these ****ing people acting like they know everything and they're 'englightened' because they believe a book written before record by unknown people with no truth.
I'm sick of these ****ing people acting like they know the secrets to life and death, because they don't. No one does. If anyone does they're smart enough to shut up about it.

:D
jesus being black is a happy thought

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