isn't it funny how everything we post about our server goes way off the topic and ends with an arguement? I mean, now we're talking about politics and human rights...

uh oh, soul is gonna post something big, I can feel it

I like debating politics and stuff.

I'm not heartless. Women have a choice in what to do with their lives, whether you like it or not. If you take away choice, then you're going back to the civil rights movement in the 1900s. You can't put a price on life, but you also can't tell people what to do with theirs. Women have the right to CHOICE. They don't need to abort babies, but you're acting like some crazy televangelist freak.

you think you can just play God and decide who lives or dies? what makes babies that are only partially developed, then babies that are fully? are you to stupid to comprehend this? life is life no matter what stage of developement its in...do you think people at like 80 years old arent developing? they are gaining knowledge, they are STILL developing...even when they are born, and like 6 years old...they are STILL developing...should parents have the right to kill their child because they are still developing, because they are a pain to take care of? should people kill people without punishment because they are still developing, and are a pain?

I do now, this is kinda funny... you know wut I like about canada?

they've got trees and mooses and sled dogs,
lots of lumber and lumber jacks, some logs.
we all think that it's kind of a drag that you have to go there to get milk in a bag.
they say "eh?" instead of "what?" or "duh!" that's the mighty power of canada!

I want to be, where lemmings run into the see! where the royal marmosetts can, attack me!
Lets go to Canada!
Let's leave today!
Canada oh Canada!
I S'il Vouse Plaite!

Uh, that's LEARNING, not developing. He means developing like, they're not aware of anything. And it's not like anyone is deciding the fate of a baby that isn't theirs.

I'm not saying I would personally decide who gets an abortion. I'm saying women deserve to choose.

good point... but no matter wut, abortion is wrong

so in other words, they have the right to murder someone...is that what you saying? you saying its alright to MURDER a HUMAN being? no thats not right...in fact thats VERY wrong

that's your opinion. Women still have the right to decide.

I'm not saying what's right or wrong. Women have the right to decide what they want to do. Their conscience can decide if it's right or not. What gives a redneck like you the right to decide what happens?

OK
this isn't an opinion for men to decide
it's the women's choice
i am not for or against it
if they feel it is right that's ok, but then they have to live with what they have done, so in time they will realize that what they have done is wrong

by legalizing abortion (people like Clinton and Gore) they enabled the right to murder...if they made it illegal it wouldnt happen...but yes it is the women's fault that they murder, but isnt murder against the law? if it was illegal, the women would pay for murder, just like anyone who kills another human being would

do you think they don't have douts in their minds about abortion? only some one with a heart as cold as ice and as hard as stone would take pleasure in abortion. even the doctors in charge problebly have to live with guilt in the backs of their minds. "Oh my gosh... I've killed a human being."

wut makes it worse, the child has not sinned, so it has no reason to die... it's dying on behalf of the parents sins, wether it be adultry, or just the choice to stop a beating heart.

it is written
somewhere in the book of Romans, "The wages of sin is death."

this is an arguement that goes nowhere, just like the death penalty and OJ simpson

Untrue... neither of them received a majority of the vote.

step down valder

let's debate a moment. That woman in New Jersey who had a baby then put it inside a dumpster and killed it. Her parents wouldn't give permission for an abortion. Look what happened. In that case, the baby FELT his lungs collapse because of asphyxiation(sp?). During abortion in the first trimester, the pain nerves of the fetus haven't developed yet. They don't feel pain.

YAY, dante's here!

Gore won by the popular vote, and by a long shot. Stupid electoral college.

Well, Beowulf just completely proved his point, I don't see how that's argueable.

how the heck do you know? did the poke you with a small stick when you where a fetus and ask you if it hurt?

where do you think i live? texas? ive lived in California, the bay area, the most liberal, pro abortion, pro choice, pro homo state in the United States all my life...im currently living in Idaho, which is FAR from any "redneck" area, and is far from the murderers and evil which lay in california...

first of all, why are we argung about this???
this is a matter for society to decide not graal

it's called debating

step down valder

Hm, maybe laboratory tests on fetuses during development has shown that pain nerves don't develop until after 3 months of being in the womb.

i know, but this isn't a thread about Abortion
can we please argue about this outside of graal, maybe in the non related forums or something

hello? did anyone read this?

So you're calling homosexuality evil too?

and obviously the woman got PUNISHED for her murder, unlike the hundreds of thousands who murder legally because of people like clinton and gore

no.

I'm sorry, but Gore did not receive more than 50% of the popular vote, and neither did Clinton. I didn't say he lost the popular vote, I said he didn't get it.

i was thinking the same thing

maybe so... but put your self in that stage... you may have some wut conciousness... and then all of a sudden, your dead... doesn't that just kinda freak you out?

Hers was a real murder, not just the stopping of the development of a being unable to be aware, unable to think. "I think, therefor I am." A baby that is aborted is not, it's unable to be.

Clinton and Gore didn't invent abortion, they didn't make it legal either. They believe that if it works, let it be. Why screw up woman's right to choose? Would you like to speak for every woman in America? I think not. I'm going to sleep.

in statistics woman that have an abortion and then become pregnent are against abortion after they have done it the first time, because they have to live with the pain of killing their child

That doesn't matter, it's still their choice.

yes, homosexuality is evil, it's stated in the Bible (help me out dante). And no matter wut you think, it's wrong. here are a few of my reasons, some simple, some deep, most very true.

1) Two men/women can't make a baby, so they've gotta be doing something wrong, right?
2) it says so in the Bible (like I said)
3) No matter how you look at it, they're sinning. They sleep around with other ***gots like crazy, spreading STD's and crap everywhere. It's a very sinful lifestyle, no matter how you look at it.
4) I now pronounce you man and... man? wtf?