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DuBsTeRmAn
05-23-2009, 06:35 PM
Hello Graalians!

I really think that the Old Trial system should come back, The most trial's won't like it but it is better..
In the old times you could play, and when you logged off you lost everything you did. Right now you can just log on and play the game while you don't lose anything, you can play every game. You just miss some features which ain't very important and the observer mode.

I am sure that Graal made alot more money with the old system, If i was a trial right now i would never buy Gold.. Why should i spend IRL Money on a game while you can just play it for free?

I think the old Trial system should come back.. This would be better for all of us, Graal would make more money.. And if we are lucky they can make the prices of gold lower because they make more and more money.

Comments?

Pelikano
05-23-2009, 06:47 PM
This System is far superior, from my sight and Graal earns way more.
If you just get a reset after logging off, you won't get to test 5% of all the stuff that Graal offers, making you probably think it sucks, probably making you quit before you get addicted to it.
Btw. why don't you stop subscribing :]?

Example:

You get your brand new M4 on Era after 3 weeks of Mining and are going to use it to kill all those BH newbs at their base. You join BB, because you've always liked to be a Bandit. And there it comes! It's your chance to show everyone your cool M4, the raid begins and you invade BH. Now BH enters to defend their base, Wil Soul runs in and shoots Concussion Grenades all over the place! How lame! You swear that you'll kill that guy and pull out your M4, ready to shoot... you aim at him and... OBSERVER MODE

Oh and I think this is in the wrong Forum anyway, it's more your opinion than a Feature Request.

DuBsTeRmAn
05-23-2009, 06:53 PM
Well maybe, They could still add a feature like you have 24 Hours free playtime and then you get reset everytime you log off so you can first test the servers out..

cbk1994
05-23-2009, 07:42 PM
I totally agree. I got addicted on the old system. The resets were annoying, yes, but I continually logged on and kept playing. Others probably feel the same.

Observer mode is just a nuisance, and it would certainly make me not want to play the game anymore.

fowlplay4
05-23-2009, 07:47 PM
It'd be nicer to see the Ghost mode returned instead of the Observer.

But a server that provides enough limitations for trials, should be able to get observer mode disabled so long as it's approved.

cbk1994
05-23-2009, 07:53 PM
Ghost mode was stupid, it didn't even let players try out the game; it just let them see the game. There's no way you're going to get addicted to a game by floating around, looking at crappy images, and watching players kill eachother.

fowlplay4
05-23-2009, 07:55 PM
I meant instead of going into Observer mode where you have next to no control.

cbk1994
05-23-2009, 07:56 PM
I meant instead of going into Observer mode where you have next to no control.

I don't really like the idea of players being kicked off the server and being allowed to watch us ... perhaps if chat was not shown or something. I don't like being spied on.

fowlplay4
05-23-2009, 07:58 PM
Ignoring the Ghost part.. I was mainly trying to get across the following:

A server that provides enough limitations for trials, should be able to get observer mode disabled so long as it's approved.

Crono
05-23-2009, 09:26 PM
It'd be nice to give trials a real reason to upgrade instead.

DuBsTeRmAn
05-23-2009, 09:29 PM
Well it used to be a real reason, If you don't you would never get rich or a good rank or whatever o.o

Crono
05-23-2009, 09:43 PM
Well it used to be a real reason, If you don't you would never get rich or a good rank or whatever o.o

I mean rather than further limiting them and trying to annoy them into upgrading, you could give them a reason to by providing more quality servers. They pulled it off for G2k1, GK was quite popular for a little while, but today there's nothing.

I'd say that if the Classic servers were of better quality then we could use the old trial system. However now, you can't really pull it off.

Vima
05-23-2009, 10:11 PM
Trials need to experience Graal.
This "new system" is pretty awful.
I mean really, most of us are oldbies. When I started playing Graal, there was nop2p.
We got to think outside the box, trials get disconnected every single 15minutes. It's pretty annyoing, I don't think many newbies would upgrade their account. They don't get to experience the game. Graal is not good enough to pay for.

My idea is;
Let them in!
Get rid of the gold/p2p thing.
This would bring a lot of people back to Graal, oldbies AND a lot more new players.
Where would Stefan get his money? From people starting their own server!
Think of it! The more players Graal have, more people will start their own server/make new content.
I really think that they wont lose or gain more money than they do now.
This whole game depend on players creating the content.

I don't know how much % money Graal gets from people upgrading their p2p, but if it's a lot.
I still think that it's worth the cost.
We can't keep doing like this, we need to start care for the new players.
Litteraly 100 players disappeared on Unholy Nation when the new p2p/gold system started. I remember before, there were lots, LOTS of trials on UN. Nowadays, they're pretty much rare.
Graal is losing players, we cannot deny it! We got to start doing something!

Unkownsoldier
05-23-2009, 10:46 PM
That sounds great, however I would love to see the graal#### and pcid numbers gone, back in the old days when you just made an account and got to choose your name was way better.

Vima
05-23-2009, 11:26 PM
That sounds great, however I would love to see the graal#### and pcid numbers gone, back in the old days when you just made an account and got to choose your name was way better.

Yeah, or they could make it so that people can "upgrade their accountname"
Pay like 3$ and then the player would get to choose his/her name.

BlueMelon
05-24-2009, 03:03 AM
If i had trial i would just look at the forum for the time im in obs...
Actually i already do that while playing graal xP

Pelikano
05-24-2009, 11:17 AM
Stefan needs to replace Unixmad.
He's a total idiot.

Just use freaking ads, ffs!
Ads in PM Bubbles as example..

BlueMelon
05-24-2009, 03:03 PM
Yeah, or they could make it so that people can "upgrade their accountname"
Pay like 3$ and then the player would get to choose his/her name.
That idea i like Alot.
And maybe add more buyable features on different servers...


Just use freaking ads, ffs!
Ads in PM Bubbles as example..
Maybe adds on other sites to? That would bring the pc up..

DuBsTeRmAn
05-24-2009, 03:07 PM
I like your name idea Vima.. But they also should allow 4 Charatchers or howver i write that.. Cuz i can't make Name :P

Crono
05-24-2009, 04:20 PM
Just use freaking ads, ffs!
Ads in PM Bubbles as example..

How about no. They tried this in the past and Googi said it didn't have any significant impact. Again, stop trying to annoy users into upgrading. Give them a real reason instead, i.e a quality server.

Pelikano
05-24-2009, 06:33 PM
How about no. They tried this in the past and Googi said it didn't have any significant impact. Again, stop trying to annoy users into upgrading. Give them a real reason instead, i.e a quality server.

I wasn't talking about Ads for the Trials.
Everybody should have Ads, then Graal would earn enough to disable the Trials and give everyone P2P.

Why the hell do you think Runescape got so many players? It's free!

Nelm
05-24-2009, 06:49 PM
Classic needs to be free for all players. Trials, Classic Subs, P2P, everyone. Across the board. This has to happen.

Frankie
05-25-2009, 01:43 AM
Era had such an awesome system for trials back in the day. you logged on and were able to choose between an uzi, handgun, shotgun, or a crowbar. it was incredibly fun. I was able to log on and get right into the game. I pked, made a fake gang, and raided random buildings.

my incentive to upgrade was I wanted more than just the 3 simple starter guns. I also wanted to be able to save of course so I could make money to purchase other weapons and items. gangs never recruited trials back then so that was another reason why I wanted to upgrade.

now trials operate the same as p2ps except you're stuck with observer mode every so often.

there was a lot more incentive to upgrade in the past than there is right now.

Pelikano
05-28-2009, 06:03 PM
Oh and I hate the idea about buyable items on Servers, would quit Graal right away.

Tigairius
05-28-2009, 07:58 PM
I think this thread is pretty obvious proof that we can't make everyone happy. Everyone is contradicting each others ideas, and even if the trial system did change, there would still be people who don't like it.
Now, I agree, observer mode probably isn't that great, especially because it causes so many problems for scripters, but if it worked as well as it was intended to work, it could have been a good system.

Pelikano
05-28-2009, 08:15 PM
I think this thread is pretty obvious proof that we can't make everyone happy. Everyone is contradicting each others ideas, and even if the trial system did change, there would still be people who don't like it.
Now, I agree, observer mode probably isn't that great, especially because it causes so many problems for scripters, but if it worked as well as it was intended to work, it could have been a good system.

How was it intended to work?

ViperZakuto
05-29-2009, 05:35 AM
I agree with whoever posted before about limitations. Playerworlds should try and work with whoever they need to, to set some limitations. Level caps, member's only areas. Kind of like GK did. Then we would more than likey be able to rid of this horrible observer mode. =/

GK did this and It is a great concept. I enjoyed playing for free... but it is better for gk as it is now. It will def give people a good taste of the game... but not all of it.

sssssssssss
10-22-2009, 02:01 AM
.... but if it worked as well as it was intended to work, it could have been a good system.

It didn't work as well as it was intended to, so why is it still here? No point in commenting on what it could have been, after it already isn't.

Graal had around ~500 players all the time during the day, almost every single day, when I started. It was one server, and it was free. Everything was dandy.

Then they made servers. Ok, cool. More possibilities. Then ALOT of people started making servers. Then it was p2p.

If the game is still on all the same servers, or even relatively close to the same price (which it should be, if its not that's because of stupid moves), and people are paying for ALL these UC servers, which are roughly $70 usd a piece, then all the gold accounts to work on it, WHY ISNT GRAAL FREE?

Seriously, you don't make money on probably over half of us anyways, and the other half or so you make a decent amount (multiply $70 times how many UC servers there are, and how many will renew? Not counting gold for developers)

Make it where if you want a server, you pay. If graal was free, there would probably be even more people willing to pay for gold just to work on a UC server too. Seriously stefan, unixmad? This is out to you.

The game will die soon enough. I dont want it to. I feel weird to say graal has been my off time for like 10 years. But holy crap. Apparently now that there is rarely 200 players on at once (yeah, a few times there will be close to 350), obviously a mistake has constantly been made.

racycle
10-22-2009, 07:40 AM
I'm all for the old trial system again , i would play on un , classic , mal , zenkou for hours , hell even for a hole 24hours stright just enjoing the game not having to worry about waiting times. I didnt mind restarting the next day eather becouse i knew it was the price for being a trial. I dont play any of the classic servers anymore and now i dont enjoy loging on checking up on uc servers becouse of the obs mode and the lack of quality in servers(i agree crono).

oo_jazz_oo
10-22-2009, 09:24 AM
Since this thread was bumped, i'll throw in my opinions. :P

The current system...sucks. Plain and simple. Since I ran out of Gold, I don't log on any UC servers. (Thank god for lifetime classic)
Its just not worth it...I log in, observer mode. And I don't feel like waiting, so I log out.

They should give us incentive to pay for an account...rather than, "If you don't pay, you will keep having this annoying thing happen! Muahaha!"

Observer mode makes me feel awkward every time it pops up.

So, instead of holding accounts hostage in 5-10 minute intervals, why not give us reasons to pay other than the annoying observer mode going away.
Because if "No observer mode" is the best reason they can give us to pay for our accounts...