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Aachen
02-07-2007, 05:04 AM
Ok, this really is as simple as it sounds. I want to see how everyone feels about harassment as something for Zone.

Here are a few choice excerpts from the "Rules of Conduct" that everyone has agreed to by creating an account and downloading graal:

Generally, it is up to the player to decide the name for his or her character while playing GraalOnline . However, some character names will be considered abusive behaviour: for example, names indicating other specific player characters, the players themselves, GraalOnline staff, or any real-life personal information will not be accepted. It is also unacceptable to use profanity, racially or sexually explicit words or generally threatening wording as a player's character name. "Kill_XXXX" is an example of an unacceptable name. Judgment of what is and is not disruptive is entirely at the discretion of GraalOnline.

Discussion through onscreen chat, GraalOnline chat, and discussion forums is a part of the game. GraalOnline must not be used, however, to promote competing products or services. Individuals who actively promote other competing products or services within GraalOnline, may be locked out.

Another abuse of chat and forum privileges is when players use abusive language (cursing or threatening language), racial attacks or comments, or sexually explicit comments, either general or specific, when communicating to individual players, in the content of mass messages via the GraalOnline chat system, or via the discussion boards.

The GraalOnline Communications Forum (Message Boards) is used to discuss GraalOnline related content, gameplay, ideas, experiences. Constructive complaints and other healthy criticism that points out ways the game can be improved are welcome. Flame wars, personal attacks on players, and any unfounded criticisms will be removed. Abuses such as these will lead to players being banned from the Communications Forum. GraalOnline staff may lock out such abusive players.

Players may not promote anything sexually explicit, implications of racism, or vulgar online. This includes, but is not limited to, sharing URLs with others to websites that contain profanity, nudity, or anything else that violates the GraalOnline Rules of Conduct

The attatched screen shot shows just how few people understand this.

Look, repeated harassment of myself or other players will get you locked. It's as simple as that. I'll warn you a few times, kick you once, and then lock you upon your next offense.

If you want to complain, don't complain to me. You're the one who agreed to these rules.

Thank you. Please try not ruin this thread.

jkool666
02-07-2007, 05:28 AM
In a PvP game there will be language, but players need to understand these 2 things:
i) No personal insults/cussing!
ii) If an ET warns/kicks you, don't make the situation worse by swearing at them, and if they do lock you, don't make it even worse.
So many times I've assumed a player has been hacking based on their actions, they will claim its lag but after when they swear at me and insult me when I just kick them, thats when I ignore their chance to give me an explanation about what their doing and just report them to Mr.Gambet.

Aachen
02-07-2007, 06:16 AM
Perhaps I should clarify: First offense should be Very Harsh, any following offenses should be Extremely Harsh.

dude2020
02-07-2007, 06:37 AM
Like jesse said there will be somesort of Harassment on any Multiplayer game. There's no avoiding this. So i really just said Moderately harsh

Crono
02-07-2007, 01:05 PM
I say "sort of harsh". Harassment is everywhere and if you can't handle even a touch of it, you shouldn't be playing Graal. However there is naturally a limit.

bahamutstevetff
02-07-2007, 01:53 PM
that attatchment made me laugh xD, tench is a funny guy xD!

Tenchry_P2P
02-07-2007, 03:05 PM
haha funny enough i got 1 warning locked, kicked various times and unstuck ***** funny as hell XD!

pooper200000
02-07-2007, 03:36 PM
In a PvP game there will be language, but players need to understand these 2 things:
i) No personal insults/cussing!
ii) If an ET warns/kicks you, don't make the situation worse by swearing at them, and if they do lock you, don't make it even worse.
So many times I've assumed a player has been hacking based on their actions, they will claim its lag but after when they swear at me and insult me when I just kick them, thats when I ignore their chance to give me an explanation about what their doing and just report them to Mr.Gambet.
Heres my view. I cuss quite frequently but I do not do it at players and if I do it is at myself. John is the only exception the that rule for me Ill just say it. If I am mad at another player I just say words like penguin brocoli and chicken other random words and let them wonder what I think the meaning is and see what they accede on from the context clues given. :D The people last night we being outright rude to you cor and they all deserved what they had coming. Cor handled the situation expertly and unfornuately some of the players still made fun of him for that. Cor warned them all through globals and they still persisted. Poizike was bashing cor repeatedly and cor took it. He deserved his 3 days of lock he got.
haha funny enough i got 1 warning locked, kicked various times and unstuck ***** funny as hell XD! thats because you insulted him repeatedly you deserved it.

I chose very harsh because if you recieve one warning that should be enough you shouldn't need a second warning in some cases it boils down to the ET's descretion and the severity of the insults

Tenchry_P2P
02-07-2007, 08:26 PM
yeah pooper you know what im like if this is harassing what i've done i harass everyone you can't change me

Davidd
02-07-2007, 11:08 PM
I just chose littled harsh cause everone is harrasing ppl on different lvl. Example: ET Calling me Noobs, choobs*cough jesse*cough* but hey i dont care. BUT it it is still considered as harrasement.
BUT some ppl should be kicked for being raciste, threats, etc.
As for swearing... it is just a word, like Dude.. people dont use it well, cause its actualy an insult O_o. its like noob or choob -_- people just ignore them. and i bet everyone from the appriote age to play graal and up now all the beatiful words so its basicly pointless -_-

MisterMastermind
02-08-2007, 12:44 AM
The problem is that locking is 100% useless against harassers. Locking it meant for glitchers and hackers. Locking a harasser does NOTHING aside from anger them more and give them more time just to harass you. A mute command would be nice, so their nick is set to their account name, they can't team speak and if they swear the entire sentence is blocked and not even shown.

Glefistus
02-08-2007, 01:02 AM
I just chose littled harsh cause everone is harrasing ppl on different lvl. Example: ET Calling me Noobs, choobs*cough jesse*cough* but hey i dont care. BUT it it is still considered as harrasement.
BUT some ppl should be kicked for being raciste, threats, etc.
As for swearing... it is just a word, like Dude.. people dont use it well, cause its actualy an insult O_o. its like noob or choob -_- people just ignore them. and i bet everyone from the appriote age to play graal and up now all the beatiful words so its basicly pointless -_-

exactly stop punishing harrasers (and if u do thats WAY to harsh punishment) and focus on the HACKERS

pooper200000
02-08-2007, 01:20 AM
I just chose littled harsh cause everone is harrasing ppl on different lvl. Example: ET Calling me Noobs, choobs*cough jesse*cough* but hey i dont care. BUT it it is still considered as harrasement.
BUT some ppl should be kicked for being raciste, threats, etc.
As for swearing... it is just a word, like Dude.. people dont use it well, cause its actualy an insult O_o. its like noob or choob -_- people just ignore them. and i bet everyone from the appriote age to play graal and up now all the beatiful words so its basicly pointless -_-

thats soooo *** im gonna quit zone if thas actually ur system of punishment harrasment is part of the graal community *gives the finger*

exactly stop punishing harrasers (and if u do thats WAY to harsh punishment) and focus on the HACKERS
your right they should be kicked for that. Honestly its nto that bad and if you can't stop being stupid you deserve it. I honestly start rolling on the floor I laugh so hard when the ET's kick and unstick me. Its just funny. THe locking is because your being a pain and its their way of saying stop I don't want to deal with it. If you are being stupid stop or get locked its as easy as that.

Tenchry_P2P
02-08-2007, 01:30 AM
pretty much what im saying is i can 'harass' at the dropship like thats where i 'harassed' cor. so locking mean has no effect since people can still harass at dropship

uhh how is the poll right it says 1 kick then lock? yet after i was locked cor kicked me so many times i lost count just letting you lot know the fact of that.

pooper200000
02-08-2007, 01:34 AM
pretty much what im saying is i can 'harass' at the dropship like thats where i 'harassed' cor. so locking mean has no effect since people can still harass at dropship

its supposed to get the point acrsos to you to leave them alone.

xAzerothx
02-08-2007, 01:47 AM
Annoying - To harass or disturb by repeated attacks.
Harrassing - To irritate or torment persistently.
They sound the same to me but don't lock these people. It'll just get worse and then they'll harass you more. :o So..I say NO to locking unless its a glitcher/hacker.

Leoxx
02-08-2007, 02:00 AM
lol my cusing is gona get me locked in jail xD near everytime i see cor at base1 on the other team im always like "D*MN U COR! D*MN YOU!!". and this always counts for noobs that door lame me, i say pawdy words after those events too...

killer_dog10
02-08-2007, 02:07 AM
Ok, this really is as simple as it sounds. I want to see how everyone feels about harassment as something for Zone.

Here are a few choice excerpts from the "Rules of Conduct" that everyone has agreed to by creating an account and downloading graal:





The attatched screen shot shows just how few people understand this.

Look, repeated harassment of myself or other players will get you locked. It's as simple as that. I'll warn you a few times, kick you once, and then lock you upon your next offense.

If you want to complain, don't complain to me. You're the one who agreed to these rules.

Thank you. Please try not ruin this thread.

I don't really care if someone harass me because most of them can't back up there words and that I'm to lazy to talk or to change my nick.

xAzerothx
02-08-2007, 02:28 AM
I don't really care if someone harass me because most of them can't back up there words and that I'm to lazy to talk or to change my nick.

That's because before they can talk you lame them before they can finish XD. There was somebody being racist today on Iricia. That's what you could lock for I guess.

Tracker180
02-08-2007, 02:37 AM
I don't mind harrasment because mos everything i read goes in one eye and out my arse anyway i think the punishment shouldn't be too harsh cause its on every game, as for the tench thing....he has an awesome signatureyes, I want sum more halo guns

Aachen
02-08-2007, 02:51 AM
Here.

If I lock you for harassment, it's because I've given you planety of warning. For instance (I've unlocked poizike by the way, he's shown that he can be mature when accepting his punishment), Poizike started saying "Az is a Jew over and over again. First, that's being racist; Second, it's harassment. I warned him, he said "Ok", and then set his nick to "az is a jew" with his guild tag on. So I warned him again, then he changed his nick to "Az is a waste of a (Soul)". I kicked him. Then he started calling me, not Az, a "*** Jew", and told me to go **** myself. So I locked him, said I would unlock in 15 minutes. He kept harassing me, I warned him that I would increase the time, and he persisted. So I told him it would stay for an hour. Repeat, one day. Repeat, 3 days, he logged off. However, yesterday, he proved that he was mature enough to make it work, so I ended his lock a day early.

This story with tench is a tad different. I log on later at night, the same day I was made ET, and he notices that my tag is on. He immediately starts insulting me, asking random people why I was made ET instead of him, spewing crap about how he's more active and how he's played longer than me (Which, Tench, you should note, that neither one of those things has much impact on whether you're chosen for a staff position or not). So, we get into an arguement, he tells me to go look up my mother. Granted, I might've been overly sensitive about that comment, but I gave him a warning. He continued to attack me, telling me how I was a dumb piece of ****, etc. So I kicked him, and he starts going "lol abuse much?" to just about everyone. We argue more, and he eventually told me I should go **** my mother so I can stay on. Naturally, I locked him. I unlocked him that same night, but apparantley that didn't solve the problem.

The next day rolls around, Typhoon and tench try to lame me while I have a moderately high bounty, maybe around 330. tench starts talking to me, then tries to "type-lame" me, but I get away, heal, and kill him. Typhoon had tried to hit me with a pipebomb right before I killed Tench, but he came running up with a flamethrower, saying "FOR ALLAH!". I'd healed right after getting Tench killed, so when I saw that typhoon was trying to stay right on top of me, I realized he was trying to explode on me. I had a breather, and healed bagain to about 80~90 hp, then he came running up shouting "FOR ALLAH!", so I tagged up and told him not to be racist about stuff like that (NOTE: As a personal experience, I'd made the same joke around others before, though I later found out that one of the guys there had a dad who'd been killed in the war, so... 2 reasons, really, for warning). You could probably guess where this is going: Tench and Typhoon both accuse me of abusing my powers, I argue the point with Typhoon, sort of to a stale mate. I know that looked bad, but I stand by my reasons.

Day 3! I come home from school, log on, and surprise surprise, tench is on. I warp into Iricia, he follows on the same team, just calling me a silly noob. No big deal. We go different ways, but we started having an arguement over team chat about who knows what anymore, and he started calling me a "dumb**** noob" a bunch, I warned him verbally. He then brings up the topic of his previous lock, quotes himself on that "mother" quote, and then pretty much tells me I should've done that. Kick. I go to the dropship to discuss it there, he continues to harass me. I lock him. His friend Edmind comes up to me, and starts calling everyone around him a "Nigga" every other sentence. I warn him, he turns on me and starts harassing me. I lock him with the intention of unlocking him shortly, but he just makes the situation worse.
Jesse: Ever notice that most people get in a lot of trouble only for making things worse when in a little trouble?
Extremely true here. Things continue, Jesse logs on, tries to deal with them, they start messing with him. Basically, things keep going like that, Tench logs on his other account, Jese and I lock it for lock evasion.

Anyway, you can see this is out of control. I can understand saying something once to a guy passing by, but if you constantly bother someone, insulting them, follow them everywhere, and continue to do so after being warned, that will warrant punishment.

NOTE: If you continue to harass someone after you have been locked, I reserve my right to unstick you or kick you whenever you get too out of hand. A prime example would be Tench's nick last night,, viewed in the screenie. I told him to change it, he refused, so I kicked him a few times, waited a bit, and did it again later.

Aachen
02-08-2007, 02:58 AM
exactly stop punishing harrasers (and if u do thats WAY to harsh punishment) and focus on the HACKERS

I haven't had a problem with hackers since I've become ET, and if you disagree with punishing people who harass others, then you should actually read the quoted parts of my first post.

pooper200000
02-08-2007, 03:04 AM
Typhoon had tried to hit me with a pipebomb right before I killed Tench, but he came running up with a flamethrower, saying "FOR ALLAH!". I'd healed right after getting Tench killed, so when I saw that typhoon was trying to stay right on top of me, I realized he was trying to explode on me. I had a breather, and healed bagain to about 80~90 hp, then he came running up shouting "FOR ALLAH!", so I tagged up and told him not to be racist about stuff like that

Extremely true here. Things continue, Jesse logs on, tries to deal with them, they start messing with him. Basically, things keep going like that, Tench logs on his other account, Jese and I lock it for lock evasion.
Uhh the for allah thing you should have waited until he killed you or have gotten out a jetpack and killing him. Thats the only thing. If you had you should have done it immediatly the first time don't take a breather and heal 2 times that doesn't help it makes it look like you were trying to protect your bounty. Maybe also think what would be the boiling point for huwa or jesse? Im not sure.

Huwajux
02-08-2007, 12:08 PM
This thread is only going to end up in arguements and flaming. Please read the rules I have set in place and take note on them. If you have any queries on the rules feel free to contact me via forum PM.

Closed.