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jake13jake
11-07-2006, 07:56 PM
Vulgar chat is now recorded.
I would instruct the GP to only use it if there are complaints about someone being harassed. I have no intention of it being used to jail players for cursing in private conversation, etc. However, I don't control how it will be used, so talk to Stryker if you don't like it. Frankly I'm not shocked at how large the file is after one day.

Also, I'm not making an effort to make it not record certain words that conflict with spellings of words that are not vulgar, simply because the purpose is not to isolate vulgar language.

Darlene159
11-07-2006, 08:34 PM
Cool...I might start playing classic again :)

xAndrewx
11-07-2006, 09:06 PM
Cool...I might start playing classic again :)

You didn't play due to vulgar messages? =O
Cool addition :cool:

KuJi
11-07-2006, 09:24 PM
function onActionServerSide(action)
{
switch (action)
{
case "chat":
{
savelog2("chat.txt", format("%s: %s", player.account, params[1]));

break;
}
}
}

//#CLIENTSIDE
function ChatBar.onAction()
{
triggerserver("gui", this.name, "chat", ChatBar.text);
}

Darlene159
11-07-2006, 09:33 PM
You didn't play due to vulgar messages? =O
Cool addition :cool:
Correct, and harrassment. Seems the staff is commited to solving the problem though. :)

KuJi
11-07-2006, 09:52 PM
Why do you insist on posting scripts in these threads? The thread's purpose is to inform you that the system already exists.

Boredom =(.

I think it's a stupid idea to log every single person's chat and send it to the server to log it.

but it can't be worse then the guy who did a 0.05 timeout triggering the server to just get the current chat and save it.. I felt bad for the 150 mb file in an hour =(

xAndrewx
11-07-2006, 10:02 PM
stuff


Wrong, that records all. This one just records the Vulgar messages :P

KuJi
11-07-2006, 10:23 PM
Wrong, that records all. This one just records the Vulgar messages :P

o pff.

this.chatrecord = {{"words", "here"}};

if (ChatBar.text.contains(this.chatrecord))
{
// SEND
}

xAndrewx
11-07-2006, 10:35 PM
o pff.

this.chatrecord = {{"words", "here"}};

if (contains(ChatBar.text, this.chatrecord))
{
// SEND
}

Re-check :(
lol

KuJi
11-07-2006, 10:40 PM
Re-check :(
lol

Either one works.. or suppost to?

maximus_asinus
11-07-2006, 11:00 PM
I'm hoping this cannot log vulgar messages sent in toguilds...

This is starting to borderline invasion of privacy me thinks.

Darlene159
11-07-2006, 11:14 PM
I'm hoping this cannot log vulgar messages sent in toguilds...

This is starting to borderline invasion of privacy me thinks.It should only be used to check on a message that was reported. I'm sure that is the purpose of it (or I hope so)

nikomi946
11-08-2006, 12:17 AM
Yes, thats its purpose. To be able to prove whether a complaint is manufactured chat to get someone in trouble or actual chat. I for one don't want to read through hundreds of MB's of logs just to pick on someone. Its only for claim substantiation.

zim5354
11-08-2006, 01:26 AM
Correct, and harrassment. Seems the staff is commited to solving the problem though. :)

I wonder why you were harassed x_x

Minoc
11-08-2006, 01:37 AM
I wonder why you were harassed x_x
Because many players are too childish to confront her by other means?

-Ching
11-08-2006, 02:22 AM
Because many players are too childish to confront her by other means?

whats a more mature way? hatemail?

Twinny
11-08-2006, 04:12 AM
I made a chat recorder thing on N-Pulse but it wasn't always on. High member GP's had to authorise it and it recorded everything until taken off.

KuJi
11-08-2006, 04:58 AM
I made a chat recorder thing on N-Pulse but it wasn't always on. High member GP's had to authorise it and it recorded everything until taken off.

Done on Era already (infact I am logged.. how cool) - and is on GX as well.

Rufus
11-08-2006, 05:43 AM
This would be pretty easy to evade wouldn't it?

KuJi
11-08-2006, 05:50 AM
This would be pretty easy to evade wouldn't it?

sure @$$ Hole Migger DITCH KOCK SUCKER (example of avoiding it)

lol, but yeah.. will be easily - above is an example.

btw, I can bet I get an infraction for this =1

Twinny
11-08-2006, 06:26 AM
Kuji - your probably on high infracture alert. You better believe the mods are taking extra care to check your every post ^^.

I don't think constant monitoring is wise. I do prefer having the ability to monitor someone who haasrepeatedly done bad stuff but monitoring from go seems...invasive. Next there will be a room which has NPC's cloning each player showing their actions and speech ^^.

1984 / Big Brother anyone?

maximus_asinus
11-08-2006, 06:33 AM
Ultimately I don't mind these additions, aslong as they are being used for what they were designed for. I don't want to see a couple months down the road (but probably will), GPs handing out warnings/jailings for profanity said in playerchat, or a toguilds if it wasn't reported as harassment/used in general conversation with another player.

Twinny
11-08-2006, 06:39 AM
I hope GP's don't use logs as evidence 2+ weeks on. These logs should automatically be deleted after a certain amount of time..


It would suck to be jailed by a GP based on swear word count over 6 months ^^.

jake13jake
11-08-2006, 06:52 AM
sure @$$ Hole Migger DITCH KOCK SUCKER (example of avoiding it)

lol, but yeah.. will be easily - above is an example.

btw, I can bet I get an infraction for this =1

uhh... that would actually be picked up just for the fact that it's very lenient in what it records.

Seems the staff is commited to solving the problem though. :)
I wouldn't say that statement is quite right. Staff... committed? So why I resigned as LAT Admin is a lie? Yet, I'm still doing a lot of the work, and meanwhile PR is threatening to remove my RC, though I don't believe he has a right to.

_Z3phyr_
11-08-2006, 09:57 AM
Why do you insist on posting scripts in these threads? The thread's purpose is to inform you that the system already exists.



Actually I appreciate the display so that I know it is simple, it works, and in this particular instance I learned how to make things happen when the player hits Enter in the Chat box text.

didn't know that. call me a noob.

smirt362
11-08-2006, 12:51 PM
You could probably easily set up a warning/auto-jail system that gives you so many warnings and then sends you to jail/silences you for a certain amount of time. I think we have something like that on the mass system on Maloria.

Rufus
11-08-2006, 03:34 PM
uhh... that would actually be picked up just for the fact that it's very lenient in what it records.

What if I cursed in French?

..meanwhile PR is threatening to remove my RC, though I don't believe he has a right to.

It should be the other way round in my opinion.

Tyhm
11-09-2006, 12:00 AM
I think it should default to Off, and be activated by players. Thus, if someone's being harassed, they can turn on the recorder and Viola, evidence. Since players tend not to have access to serverside strings, relatively hacksafe...

jake13jake
11-09-2006, 08:00 PM
I think it should default to Off, and be activated by players. Thus, if someone's being harassed, they can turn on the recorder and Viola, evidence. Since players tend not to have access to serverside strings, relatively hacksafe...
Yea, but if there are a lot of them turned on it has the potential to lag the server to death.

Crono
11-09-2006, 08:58 PM
i quit classic then :(

Tyhm
11-10-2006, 03:38 AM
Yea, but if there are a lot of them turned on it has the potential to lag the server to death.

...as opposed to them all, always being on? I think you've confused me-
Me: It should be something players have to turn on - you activate it recording incoming vulgarity to be used as evidence in a formal complaint, the rest of the time it's off.
You: But then if everyone turned it on at the same time, the server would lag to death.
Me: ...isn't that what it's doing now, Everyone has it turned on?

Maybe if it recorded multiple instances of the same people - all 20 people in level 14 turning it on and recording 20 instances each of the 19 other people each swearing - that could be a problem...

jake13jake
11-10-2006, 04:35 AM
...as opposed to them all, always being on? I think you've confused me-
Me: It should be something players have to turn on - you activate it recording incoming vulgarity to be used as evidence in a formal complaint, the rest of the time it's off.
You: But then if everyone turned it on at the same time, the server would lag to death.
Me: ...isn't that what it's doing now, Everyone has it turned on?

Maybe if it recorded multiple instances of the same people - all 20 people in level 14 turning it on and recording 20 instances each of the 19 other people each swearing - that could be a problem...

I thought you meant recording all chat.
Anyways, it's much much much simpler just to have it on all the time, and shouldn't lag the server at all.

KuJi
11-11-2006, 01:17 AM
recording all chat is death to the npc server x.x

Glefistus
02-02-2007, 02:24 AM
wtf, classic used to be the only cool server swearing wise cuz they didnt care much. this sux, I am considering quitting classic 0.o

killerogue
02-02-2007, 02:29 AM
wtf, classic used to be the only cool server swearing wise cuz they didnt care much. this sux, I am considering quitting classic 0.o

This is what the Graal community has come to. :mad:

Polo
02-02-2007, 05:22 PM
I should probably clarify this.

Personally, I don't care if you swear in messages to other player as long as your both happy for that to happen. The reason this was introduced was that before we would get a complaint about swearing, but have no evidence to go with it. Because of this, lot of people were reporting fellow players just to get them in trouble, often when they had not sworn at all. With things recorded, we can easily verify any claims, which just helps us from wrongly warning people. We are not going to troll through the history just to catch everyone who ever swore, it's only there as an aid for when its required. Anyway, in most cases players are not getting jailed for swearing unless it's very severe and persistent. In that case they are fully aware of what they are doing and will have had warnings (both informal and formal) before hand.

I should probably also point out that theres been quite an increase in vulgar mass messages over the last year or two, something that is preventing a lot of people from enjoying mass messages. I just wish people would have a little more thought about what they are massing at times, as Graal is a game for all ages.

Hope that clears thing up. You are welcome to ask me more about it in-game if you wish.

Devil
02-02-2007, 05:55 PM
Considering at the end of the day, they are just words, words that people have been told that they are "bad".

I can't believe people actually cry over such little things. I would hate to see what they would be like in person.

Darlene159
02-02-2007, 06:46 PM
I should probably also point out that theres been quite an increase in vulgar mass messages over the last year or two, something that is preventing a lot of people from enjoying mass messages. I just wish people would have a little more thought about what they are massing at times, as Graal is a game for all ages.
The mass messages is why I was glad to see this implimented. I agree with you in saying it doesn't matter what people say in private PM's, as long as the other person doesn't mind, but like you, I wish people would show a little restraint in public/mass messages. Not everyone wants to read that stuff.

Devil
02-02-2007, 06:56 PM
Don't get me twisted, I really hate going on classic (when I used too) and every man and his dog would be massiving absolute CRAP.

Tyhm
02-02-2007, 08:59 PM
Thought:
There should be a seperate category for Persistent Messages. Instead of getting the same mass several times because that one guy wants to make sure everyone hears him asking where he get ying-yang in box, send a Persistent message and it's "stickied".
Also makes it easier for the GPs to figure out who's sending them, since it'll be there for a while if they're abusing it.

WHIPENIE4
05-22-2007, 09:18 AM
damn i thought the Ignore list was made for issues like this. i can understand staff, but anyone else can ignore :p

Darlene159
05-22-2007, 02:12 PM
damn i thought the Ignore list was made for issues like this. i can understand staff, but anyone else can ignore :pPeople who don't want to see abusive language should not have to put people on ignore just so they don't see it. There should be a filter built into the client or something, so that it is used on all of Graal, and not just playerworlds who chose to use it.

Crono
05-22-2007, 03:44 PM
I know this is old but you must have a huge record on my account. :P

WHIPENIE4
05-22-2007, 04:19 PM
People who don't want to see abusive language should not have to put people on ignore just so they don't see it. There should be a filter built into the client or something, so that it is used on all of Graal, and not just playerworlds who chose to use it.

they used to have a filter a long long time ago in a galaxy far far away/when there was only like 3 servers. I remember because when i used to cuss all the time it used to say (YOU CAN NOT CURSE ON YADA YADA) something like that it'd block out the whooole message. I know they did, even on the text just in toalls n stuff. BUT ignoring isnt that bad of an idea :) when i wasnt staff it came in handy, now that im not staff again, it damn sure comes in handy.

Crono
05-22-2007, 05:24 PM
People who don't want to see abusive language should not have to put people on ignore just so they don't see it. There should be a filter built into the client or something, so that it is used on all of Graal, and not just playerworlds who chose to use it.

No.

zokemon
05-22-2007, 05:42 PM
People who don't want to see abusive language should not have to put people on ignore just so they don't see it. There should be a filter built into the client or something, so that it is used on all of Graal, and not just playerworlds who chose to use it.

Only if it had an option to turn it on and off!

Darlene159
05-22-2007, 07:30 PM
Only if it had an option to turn it on and off!Only if Graal is going to target an older age group, and not young children whos parents might not want their kids to see the things I have seen in game. There is more to think of besides what some of us want. If Graal is going to target a younger playerbase, then they need to make it pleasing towards the parents/caregivers also, or they are not going to pay for it even if they do have the money to do so.

I don't agree that there should be an option to turn it off. I believe it should be implemented, and used by everyone.

Tyhm
05-22-2007, 10:05 PM
Maybe there should be a Chat AP. And by default, people below 10 Chat-AP are ignored. Gotta have daddy edit the parental control settings before you can read the racist crap coming out of Devil's PM-Box. (For example. We all know Devil never says anything offensive. ;) )

Mykel
05-22-2007, 11:03 PM
Only if Graal is going to target an older age group, and not young children whos parents might not want their kids to see the things I have seen in game. There is more to think of besides what some of us want. If Graal is going to target a younger playerbase, then they need to make it pleasing towards the parents/caregivers also, or they are not going to pay for it even if they do have the money to do so.

I don't agree that there should be an option to turn it off. I believe it should be implemented, and used by everyone.Have you been to the internet recently? I can get videos of porn with a few clicks. I can hear horrible language by going to youtube. I can use profanity to someone over AIM.

Quit acting like we are in the golden age of the 50's. Should we allow it? No. But can we prevent it? Absolutely not. Have you played any other games? If the players aren't old enough, they shouldn't play. You aren't going to be able to dull-down the system enough to make it completely appropriate for younger players without completely alienating a large portion of your general user-base. Just because you aren't one of those members doesn't mean you can't see how obvious this is.

Darlene159
05-22-2007, 11:44 PM
Have you been to the internet recently? I can get videos of porn with a few clicks. I can hear horrible language by going to youtube. I can use profanity to someone over AIM.

Quit acting like we are in the golden age of the 50's. Should we allow it? No. But can we prevent it? Absolutely not. Have you played any other games? If the players aren't old enough, they shouldn't play. You aren't going to be able to dull-down the system enough to make it completely appropriate for younger players without completely alienating a large portion of your general user-base. Just because you aren't one of those members doesn't mean you can't see how obvious this is.No, I haven't been on the internet lately. :rolleyes:
So let's all just stop trying to make things better just because we know we can't.
I don't agree with that at all. Just because you can find horrible crap all over the internet, doesn't mean the administration of Graal shouldn't do what they can to minimize it on their game.

Ignoring it is not the answer.

Oh, and if older people are going to say "OMG, if I can't use horrible language, and talk to people who just might be kids the way I want, I am not going to play!"
Then maybe they should find something else to do with their time.

oinknessx
05-22-2007, 11:52 PM
Only if Graal is going to target an older age group, and not young children whos parents might not want their kids to see the things I have seen in game. There is more to think of besides what some of us want. If Graal is going to target a younger playerbase, then they need to make it pleasing towards the parents/caregivers also, or they are not going to pay for it even if they do have the money to do so.

I don't agree that there should be an option to turn it off. I believe it should be implemented, and used by everyone.
It's a hard thing to implement because although Graal is intended for youngsters, the majority of people who develop and script or do whatever are older players, and they may get pissed and head to a more age-friendly game if everything gets dumbed down for children at some point.

If I was a parent, I probably wouldn't let my kid play Graal, or I would play at the same time and only go on playerworlds with nice people. Not like Era or NPulse, but maybe GK. You can spend hours killing beach crabs to level up a newb on there without seeing anyone. :)

Mykel
05-22-2007, 11:58 PM
No, I haven't been on the internet lately. :rolleyes:
So let's all just stop trying to make things better just because we know we can't.
I don't agree with that at all. Just because you can find horrible crap all over the internet, doesn't mean the administration of Graal shouldn't do what they can to minimize it on their game.

Ignoring it is not the answer.

Oh, and if older people are going to say "OMG, if I can't use horrible language, and talk to people who just might be kids the way I want, I am not going to play!"
Then maybe they should find something else to do with their time.Did you read my post at all? I said that we shouldn't just allow it, because I knew you were going to take this off-point response as your defense, yet, you still did. Congrats.

Anyway, the point is that if someone is in-game and they're talking to another friend, it becomes annoying when some words are blocked, or restrictions are made that seem a little bit harsh. It's unattractive. Especially when you already have people that are supposed to enforce rules. What exactly is their job if you already have systems built in to control any negative feedback?

Over-protective swear filters are a huge turnoff, and have turned me away from a few servers.

Maybe if you didn't have you "what's wrong with kids today" attitude (and don't try to deny it) you would have a little different outlook.

kia345
05-23-2007, 12:26 AM
This game promotes killing, violence, and gangs, and we got 4 pages discussing cussing?

Darlene159
05-23-2007, 12:34 AM
Did you read my post at all? I said that we shouldn't just allow it, because I knew you were going to take this off-point response as your defense, yet, you still did. Congrats.
So then I wont bother. I don't feel like wasting my time that can be spent doing something that matters, other than arguing with people who want to cuss on a game. I said all I wanted to say anyway. :)

This game promotes killing, violence, and gangs, and we got 4 pages discussing cussing?So does quite a few video games, popular ones too, but you don't see the vulgar speach in them. It doesn't take away from the fun factor either. :)

Crono
05-23-2007, 12:55 AM
Moon Goddess Graal Online has already put in a good amount of effort to keep naughty words and harassment away. But it's not right to go to the point of complete censorship just because the kid's parents can't keep their children away from bad content. If someone curses on Graal, Graal Online has already put in an effort to say that it's bad and players shouldn't do it...its the parent's job to protect their children from such content.

People get jailed and sometimes banned from profanity, anything else is the job of the parents not Graal Online. :/

That's just my 2.53 cents.

Darlene159
05-23-2007, 01:28 AM
Moon Goddess Graal Online has already put in a good amount of effort to keep naughty words and harassment away. But it's not right to go to the point of complete censorship just because the kid's parents can't keep their children away from bad content. If someone curses on Graal, Graal Online has already put in an effort to say that it's bad and players shouldn't do it...its the parent's job to protect their children from such content.

People get jailed and sometimes banned from profanity, anything else is the job of the parents not Graal Online. :/

That's just my 2.53 cents.Yea, it is the parents job to say their children cannot play Graal or other games because of vulgar chat, you are right...nuff said there.

Yes, Graalonline has done alot to safeguard members from certain things, but Graal is player run, and mostly by children....nuff said there too.

In the end, the administration will decide what age group they mostly want to appeal to, and adjust securities to match it, I suppose. *shrugs*

Crono
05-23-2007, 01:31 AM
Yes, Graalonline has done alot to safeguard members from certain things, but Graal is player run, and mostly by children....nuff said there too.


Teenagers aren't children...O_o

oinknessx
05-23-2007, 05:30 AM
It's true other games have violence, killing, and gangs, but they're rated T for teen which suggests an older age level than 13, maybe just a little. In my own opinion, Graal should be rated M unless they can get a faster working profanity blocker that doesn't have a second or two of lag. That means it would have to be built in.

DustyPorViva
05-23-2007, 05:34 AM
There might not be a need to censor things, but I always find logging things=good.
One of the games I played logged every single action, so in case anything like harassment happened, there were logs for proof, instead of relying on he say she say crap. There's nothing wrong with having some logs in case anything ever happened, I know when I worked on stuff I always logged things. And it's not like it takes a huge chunk out of an NAT's time.
As for censoring, waste of time.

kia345
05-23-2007, 05:44 AM
:rolleyes:

DarkCloud_PK
05-23-2007, 08:24 AM
simple idea:
clientside chat replacement thats toggleable on the client on or off, search chat through a pool of naughty words and select a random non-offensive word from the bank for that specific word(like the F-bomb would be replaced by like, fudge or something dumb like that) so you ultimately have the option to see people swearing or see the "toned down" version of what people say.

making the game completely censored will alienate a large portion of the players and keep the older community away

Unpredlctable
05-23-2007, 03:23 PM
What the **** is so bad about cuss words anyway? ****.

DustyPorViva
05-23-2007, 03:53 PM
Well that's a mature way to make a point.

BlueFireX
05-24-2007, 05:04 AM
I honestly thought Graal was for 13 and olders? I read someone post on runescape about this subject. As my memory serve he was saying "I can't stand curse words, I stand at the bus stop and hear it, it make me sick -blah blah-" yet again another 13+ game. And if you havent heard every curse word there is in the English language than you are Amish. -_-

Darlene159
05-24-2007, 01:47 PM
I honestly thought Graal was for 13 and olders? I read someone post on runescape about this subject. As my memory serve he was saying "I can't stand curse words, I stand at the bus stop and hear it, it make me sick -blah blah-" yet again another 13+ game. And if you havent heard every curse word there is in the English language than you are Amish. -_-On the website, it says 12+. In any case, the point is not whether you have or have not heard cussing, or whether it bothers you or not. Cussing doesn't have to be allowed in a game for the game to be enjoyable. I just don't see what the big deal is for it not to be allowed.

Cloven
05-24-2007, 02:27 PM
Cussing doesn't have to be allowed in a game for the game to be enjoyable. I just don't see what the big deal is for it not to be allowed.

I'm personally indifferent unless cussing is excessive.

On the other hand, though, I do believe that everybody could manage to find something more intelligent to say rather than F&*$ all the time. Ultimately, those who do nothing but swear tend to be weak-minded, resentfully classless individuals ... and that's just sad for a variety of reasons. Some people think the "F" word is the standard for communication, and, when these same people are serving my children fast food later in their lives, they better not have the audacity to wonder why. :D

Crono
05-24-2007, 04:08 PM
Ultimately, those who do nothing but swear tend to be weak-minded, resentfully classless individuals

:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

zokemon
05-24-2007, 04:13 PM
On the website, it says 12+. In any case, the point is not whether you have or have not heard cussing, or whether it bothers you or not. Cussing doesn't have to be allowed in a game for the game to be enjoyable. I just don't see what the big deal is for it not to be allowed.

No but it annoys me when swear filters are so excusive that you can't even say a perfectly sencible sentance without getting the whole thing covered in *'s.

I once played this game where it was so bad that if you just said the word "dog" alone, it would filter it.

Darlene159
05-24-2007, 06:35 PM
No but it annoys me when swear filters are so excusive that you can't even say a perfectly sencible sentance without getting the whole thing covered in *'s.

I once played this game where it was so bad that if you just said the word "dog" alone, it would filter it.Yes, I agree.

Tyhm
05-24-2007, 06:59 PM
I actually kinda like the swear filters that are clever about it, and replace text with text. So "F - - -" becomes "Frell", making "Frelling" and "Mother Freller" still sensible in context, but only if you're old enough to know what the original word was. It COULD make things more Graal-flavored, if Graal had its own (Firefly/Serenity)/Transformers/etc. variations on the language...I still like "Slag" as a multi-use swear word. Or "Monkey" as a "I just dropped a hammer on my foot" interjection, though that's taken on racist connotations when applied to people of certain ethnicities...

DutchGuy
06-16-2007, 02:27 PM
This could be a great update, but i think graal will be dead by the time it gets here.
as 90% of classics community is only 13 or 14 years old, the half of them is staff. they all swear like it's normal. if you use such a filter they have no reason to log back on to classic anymore.

good side is that half of staff positions will be open for recruiting again.
wow.

Darklux
06-20-2007, 11:58 AM
Filtering is no option to educating people why they shouldnt curse.

People will know to verbally hurt people even if bad words are censored out.

nO1
06-30-2007, 01:05 AM
This is starting to borderline invasion of privacy me thinks.

Agreed. I don't really feel comfortable with the fact that people like Stryker can read my PMs freely now.

This and the setnick logging system seem completely unnecessary. Swearing and harrassment through nicknames (this never happens) aren't really problems on classic anymore, and I'm confident that GPs can deal with the occasional offenders effectively without this big brother nonsense being implemented.

EDIT: It is interesting that the majority of people in support of this don't even play Classic though! Nanny nation. :\

Inspiration
06-30-2007, 02:03 AM
Hardcode Graal to automatically filter swear words from any account registered to a user under 13 years of age.

If you're over 13 you're hearing every single swear word in the book 500 times a day at school and with your friends, so Graal is hardly going to be anything worse.

Over 13 there could simply be an on/off function like many games already have. Simple.

Bell
06-30-2007, 04:48 AM
Agreed. I don't really feel comfortable with the fact that people like Stryker can read my PMs freely now.

This and the setnick logging system seem completely unnecessary. Swearing and harrassment through nicknames (this never happens) aren't really problems on classic anymore, and I'm confident that GPs can deal with the occasional offenders effectively without this big brother nonsense being implemented.

EDIT: It is interesting that the majority of people in support of this don't even play Classic though! Nanny nation. :\

Its not recording chat in pm's that I'm aware of, only masses, toalls, onscreen and toguilds. As for nicks the only time those are useful is if someone complains about being harrassed via pm's. It makes it easier to prove or disprove. Or if someone is using a nick to give out inappropriate links.

Infernix
07-01-2007, 07:15 AM
People are only hurt by curse words and etc because they were brought up to understand them as something bad. When in fact, they are just words.

Tigairius
07-01-2007, 10:23 PM
Considering at the end of the day, they are just words, words that people have been told that they are "bad".

I can't believe people actually cry over such little things. I would hate to see what they would be like in person.

I love you.

syltburk
07-05-2007, 09:38 PM
Seems pretty retarded to me, but it's classic development!

papajchris
07-10-2007, 01:49 AM
on Zodiac, You cant say yen....

DutchGuy
07-11-2007, 01:03 AM
classic is becoming more of a jail detention center.

StrykerTFFD
07-12-2007, 03:48 PM
classic is becoming more of a jail detention center.

Considering jailing is at an all time low, this statement makes me giggle.

Mark Sir Link
07-13-2007, 02:28 AM
Only if Graal is going to target an older age group, and not young children whos parents might not want their kids to see the things I have seen in game. There is more to think of besides what some of us want. If Graal is going to target a younger playerbase, then they need to make it pleasing towards the parents/caregivers also, or they are not going to pay for it even if they do have the money to do so.

I don't agree that there should be an option to turn it off. I believe it should be implemented, and used by everyone.


How does this make any sense to you?

Right now there is no way of checking to see if an account was registered through use of COPPA, or any real checks of whether or not someone is old enough. I know there are plenty of Classic Players who have lied about being over 12 (so 13 or older) to accept COPPA agreements, and have freely admitted they're under 13. However, your suggestion is that Graal Online should cater to these liars that have already broken Graal's Code of Conduct?

I don't see how Graal Online's Code of Conduct can possibly stand to protect them if they've violated it. Once they've violated it, all protection should be out the window.

Instead of catering to younger kids who shouldn't be playing the game to begin with based on the COPPA Agreement(Honestly Unixmad and Stefan, how many COPPA Forms have you gotten from parents? 2? 3?) how about we weed these issues out first? Worry about protecting the legit younger crowd once we're sure they belong here.

Also, why not allow the censor to be enabled or disabled Moonie? No one is going to force you to disable yours. No one will force kids to disable theirs.

Mark Sir Link
07-13-2007, 02:45 AM
Perhaps I should slightly elaborate. No server staff members can check if an account was registered by use of a COPPA agreement and it cannot be checked in game.

maximus_asinus
07-13-2007, 05:21 AM
Considering jailing is at an all time low, this statement makes me giggle.I always get jailed. You're constantly going on about how Classic has eased the rules to allow for a little more foul language but nothing has changed. I think the last time I was jailed was by Bell, for 5 days. For profanity.

StrykerTFFD
07-15-2007, 05:49 PM
I always get jailed. You're constantly going on about how Classic has eased the rules to allow for a little more foul language but nothing has changed. I think the last time I was jailed was by Bell, for 5 days. For profanity.


Time: Fri Jun 22 06:06:13 2007
nikomi946 attempted to jail maximus_asinus for 120 hour(s) (cited reason "racial remarks")


You're complaining of a jailing nearly a month ago for a different reason than the one you provided? Max, I expected better.

maximus_asinus
07-16-2007, 05:59 AM
You're complaining of a jailing nearly a month ago for a different reason than the one you provided? Max, I expected better.I consider racial remarks and profanity as pretty much the same thing. I still think the whole 'rules are more relaxed' is a bunch of bull still.

StrykerTFFD
07-16-2007, 09:17 AM
I'd link to the post I made about that, but the whole relaxing of the rules thing was voted against by people on Classic awhile ago. Get with the times. And the difference between racism and profanity is the jail time which explains the lengthy one you got.

DutchGuy
07-16-2007, 03:14 PM
why are you guys focusing on relaxing rules, or living by the rules, while classic needs some development in both levels and a storyline.

StrykerTFFD
07-16-2007, 04:47 PM
why are you guys focusing on relaxing rules, or living by the rules, while classic needs some development in both levels and a storyline.

Because, Oh I don't know, GPs can't develop and aren't meant to? (And even on that point, Eillen uploads and Bell does various things.) You have my full support, though, to chew out Hell Raven and his crew of "workers".

MysticX2X
07-25-2007, 11:11 PM
Vulgar chat is now recorded.
I would instruct the GP to only use it if there are complaints about someone being harassed. I have no intention of it being used to jail players for cursing in private conversation, etc. However, I don't control how it will be used, so talk to Stryker if you don't like it. Frankly I'm not shocked at how large the file is after one day.
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Well surely stryker doesnt follow this.