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fuNkym0nky0
07-03-2006, 12:52 AM
Aye, the war with Zormite is over. Bosh has surrendered, Googi has had her power revoked, all is well. Except one thing. They now need a new leader. Currently I heard that the choices are Grirahan, Prince Steven, Calani, and I dont really remember the others. Im all in favor for each, theyre great. But lets look at the details. Grirahan does not really want the kingdom that much. Steven is already powerful, and has a good rank. Calani wiuld be nice, but lets look at one other person. John Aldroth, formerly known as John Kaldenis, and even more formerly known as John Sagesun, account Obs311. He is known by all, he is a great man, he has great leadership qualities, and best of all, he is neutral and non-bias. He is not against anyone, he has no enemies (that he or I know of), and is not a war and power hungry person. He also is not the type of man who will put all of his friends in power, with no regards to there abilities whatsoever. He will put a man he hates into power if he must, and he knows he will do good for the kingdom. He is the man for Zormite. I think it should go to him. So what do you all say? JOHN FOR ZORMITE!
~Crusty Deadbeard
EDIT: Oh yea, and, he has great RP skills. For example, in the war, he was killed, and then after that, he went peaceful mode and sat out, and he even changed his name. He died in battle, therefore his whole character died.

Mike_Zakuto
07-03-2006, 01:09 AM
Yay for John. He is definitely a good choice.

Deophite18
07-03-2006, 01:10 AM
Aye, the war with Zormite is over. Bosh has surrendered, Googi has had her power revoked, all is well. Except one thing. They now need a new leader. Currently I heard that the choices are Grirahan, Prince Steven, Calani, and I dont really remember the others. Im all in favor for each, theyre great. But lets look at the details. Grirahan does not really want the kingdom that much. Steven is already powerful, and has a good rank. Calani wiuld be nice, but lets look at one other person. John Aldroth, formerly known as John Kaldenis, and even more formerly known as John Sagesun, account Obs311. He is known by all, he is a great man, he has great leadership qualities, and best of all, he is neutral and non-bias. He is not against anyone, he has no enemies (that he or I know of), and is not a war and power hungry person. He also is not the type of man who will put all of his friends in power, with no regards to there abilities whatsoever. He will put a man he hates into power if he must, and he knows he will do good for the kingdom. He is the man for Zormite. I think it should go to him. So what do you all say? JOHN FOR ZORMITE!
~Crusty Deadbeard
EDIT: Oh yea, and, he has great RP skills. For example, in the war, he was killed, and then after that, he went peaceful mode and sat out, and he even changed his name. He died in battle, therefore his whole character died.



Big bullies

your time will come.

GryffonDurime
07-03-2006, 01:14 AM
Whoa, wait, how did war revoke the control of the kingdom?

ApothiX
07-03-2006, 01:24 AM
Whoa, wait, how did war revoke the control of the kingdom?
That's what I'm wondering too O_o

fuNkym0nky0
07-03-2006, 01:29 AM
Its like Etien. Im pretty sure Sam approved Googi's powers being revoked. Valanduil did it.

GryffonDurime
07-03-2006, 01:29 AM
Ah, apparently Alarico abused the rank bug, and the staff may have even approved!

Of course, this is all only secondhand information, but it's a start to the investigation.

ApothiX
07-03-2006, 01:44 AM
Its like Etien. Im pretty sure Sam approved Googi's powers being revoked. Valanduil did it.
I'm pretty sure Googi is not comparible to Etien.

Ah, apparently Alarico abused the rank bug, and the staff may have even approved!

Of course, this is all only secondhand information, but it's a start to the investigation.
That's what Googi told me when I asked him, too.

Sam
07-03-2006, 01:53 AM
Ah, apparently Alarico abused the rank bug, and the staff may have even approved!

Of course, this is all only secondhand information, but it's a start to the investigation.

I checked the logs:
Rank of member Googi changed to zormite.Citizen by AlaricoMontario

Rank of member lordbosh changed to zormite.Citizen by AlaricoMontario and so on.
If a leader give rights like:
T - Kingdom title
A - Add member
D - Delete member
G - Promotion
he must be sure that these members are very trustworthy.
They cannot blame staff if somebody does a revolution with their given rights!


The revolutionists of the Zormite Empire massed this earlier today:
The war has been declared over by the revolutionists of the Zormite Empire.

The battle today, which was agree'd upon by Forest, myself, and the Pirates,
will still commence today between the 'loyalists' and 'revolutionaries' to give as
much RP to this as possible.

Alarico told me whoever wins this upcoming event can have the Kingdom - Googi, or whoever wins.
Let's see what will happen next.

calani
07-03-2006, 01:56 AM
Gryffon - you do know that if there were no forceful removals from leadership, the only time kingdoms would change hands is when the ruler handed it to a friend.

When the kingdom loses against a huge army and has its rulers killed in battle, it would make sense to get a new leader. Otherwise we have Etien all over again - he makes a new character and changes the kingdom's name, and keeps the power for himself.

You're an advocate of RP - which would you prefer?

Zero Hour
07-03-2006, 01:59 AM
I wouldn't mind leading again.

Loriel
07-03-2006, 02:08 AM
Gryffon - you do know that if there were no forceful removals from leadership, the only time kingdoms would change hands is when the ruler handed it to a friend.
The initiative should come from the roleplaying community or perhaps an informed staff group, not from someone abusing flaws in the rights thing.

Loriel
07-03-2006, 02:10 AM
They cannot blame staff if somebody does a revolution with their given rights!

So, uh, if some GP disconnects Stefan over and over that is okay because he was given that right?

We could blame you for not making the rights system more sophisticated so it prevents obvious abuse as it happened here.

Zero Hour
07-03-2006, 02:13 AM
So, uh, if some GP disconnects Stefan over and over that is okay because he was given that right?

We could blame you for not making the rights system more sophisticated so it prevents obvious abuse as it happened here.
Such things as poor leadership choices within the kingdom isn't nearly as significant ;)

Waltz5
07-03-2006, 02:17 AM
I checked the logs:
Rank of member Googi changed to zormite.Citizen by AlaricoMontario

Rank of member lordbosh changed to zormite.Citizen by AlaricoMontario and so on.
If a leader give rights like:
T - Kingdom title
A - Add member
D - Delete member
G - Promotion
he must be sure that these members are very trustworthy.
They cannot blame staff if somebody does a revolution with their given rights!


If you really want to follow/hide behind this... then the kingdom system should be completely bug free. If ranks are put in a certain way they can affect everyone, even if they are above in the tree structure.

Loriel
07-03-2006, 02:19 AM
Such things as poor leadership choices within the kingdom isn't nearly as significant ;)
That is entirely irrelevant to my point. Stop trolling.

Zero Hour
07-03-2006, 02:26 AM
Stop trolling.
Spoken by the king ;)

I think you're making a mountain out of a mole hill.

Sam
07-03-2006, 02:37 AM
So, uh, if some GP disconnects Stefan over and over that is okay because he was given that right?

If.....
If my father would be Bill Gates, I would buy a Harley and a sailing ship.
There is no relevance to the problem here.

The only way to do a revolution is demote a king. Kingdoms should do RP. In case of kingdom things, we (staff) don't get in action as long as we are not in urgent need.
Nobody of you has talk with Alarico, so why you do such a storm in a tea-cup, instead waiting what will be happen?

lordbosh
07-03-2006, 02:58 AM
Because Alarico is missing as soon as I woke up and logged in. The whole point was that I was SLEEPING THROUGH ALL OF THIS AND THINGS WERE CHANGED WHEN I WAS SLEEPING. If I was there, I'd have removed his rights, made him pencil pusher, and pilloried him for 60 minutes for treason. He should be banned for abuse, and why are you supporting him anyway? Staff have never condoned this action EVER.

Damix2
07-03-2006, 03:09 AM
I checked the logs:
Rank of member Googi changed to zormite.Citizen by AlaricoMontario

Rank of member lordbosh changed to zormite.Citizen by AlaricoMontario and so on.
If a leader give rights like:
T - Kingdom title
A - Add member
D - Delete member
G - Promotion
he must be sure that these members are very trustworthy.
They cannot blame staff if somebody does a revolution with their given rights!


The revolutionists of the Zormite Empire massed this earlier today:
The war has been declared over by the revolutionists of the Zormite Empire.

The battle today, which was agree'd upon by Forest, myself, and the Pirates,
will still commence today between the 'loyalists' and 'revolutionaries' to give as
much RP to this as possible.

Alarico told me whoever wins this upcoming event can have the Kingdom - Googi, or whoever wins.
Let's see what will happen next.


Wait what? Are you acting like an idiot on purpose? They abused a bug, a bug that people have been banned for many times.

How about I go abuse a bug to take over Forest and give it Etien? If they give me the rights then that is fine?

Raziel
07-03-2006, 03:35 AM
I must say I don't agree with such methods. Sam, I'm not such a big fan of Bosh myself, but this is really unfair. Would you be as supportive if it was Alan of CP who had been deposed in the same way?

Obs311
07-03-2006, 03:55 AM
Wait what?

Jaquet
07-03-2006, 04:48 AM
Removing a rank of a leader of a kingdom IS bannable. Ive been told this by Draxx and other people around kingdoms.

Zero Hour
07-03-2006, 05:09 AM
Removing a rank of a leader of a kingdom IS bannable. Ive been told this by Draxx and other people around kingdoms.
Draxx is a kingdom leader whereas Sam is sort of an administrator, y'know?

If they used powers which they were given then this isn't a bug and they can't be banned, otherwise - it was a bug, and they can be banned.

Savvy?

Divided
07-03-2006, 05:24 AM
Wow you know if I did that I would have been banned. No questions asked z.z

-Cubes

Zero Hour
07-03-2006, 05:27 AM
Wow you know if I did that I would have been banned. No questions asked z.z

-Cubes
Your suggested favoritism does not humour me. Please try harder.


-Stephen

Raziel
07-03-2006, 05:35 AM
Hmm after having heard that there were RP backings for this...well, not directly connected...but Bosh surrendering to CP, I can see how this might be. What I don't see is why Valanduil would have the power. It should be Alan's ;)

Edit: And I keep getting new info from different places so I will stay out of this until I know more xD...lol

lordbosh
07-03-2006, 05:46 AM
Just because I surrendered doesnt mean I'm dead. I needed off that piece of dirt. And you let me go, thank you. I'll be back to take what is mine soon enough, with more undead legions.

Divided
07-03-2006, 06:47 AM
Your suggested favoritism does not humour me. Please try harder.


-Stephen
If that had happened to Alan do you think sam would have acted the same way?

MasterNuke
07-03-2006, 07:28 AM
You are not supposed to be able to change the rank of people with the K right or remove people with the K right from the kingdom. It isn't okay no matter what the circumstances. You are supposed to get the previous kingdom leader to contact Stefan to have it changed to the new leader. WE WENT OVER THIS IN THE PAST.

Sam
07-03-2006, 08:49 AM
As I stated before: at the moment nobody knows what happens next. Let's wait and see what Alarico will do.

You are not supposed to be able to change the rank of people with the K right or remove people with the K right from the kingdom. It isn't okay no matter what the circumstances. You are supposed to get the previous kingdom leader to contact Stefan to have it changed to the new leader. WE WENT OVER THIS IN THE PAST.

I see it different: this is the only way to do a revolution. At last we still have the Court of Chancery (Administration) to decide things. But for now: wait.

Divided
07-03-2006, 10:01 AM
Thats the stupidest thing I have ever heard z.z. Staff are here for reasons like this but I see how you wanted Googi and Bosh out of your hair ...

lordbosh
07-03-2006, 11:35 AM
As I stated before: at the moment nobody knows what happens next. Let's wait and see what Alarico will do.

I've been told by Forest and Dustari members that the kingdom will be given to someone of their choice, and bjorn agreed to this.



I see it different: this is the only way to do a revolution. At last we still have the Court of Chancery (Administration) to decide things. But for now: wait.

How about having a fight, a real fight. Make each side fight the other for dominance. And dont tell me this wont be done because im stronger, you know stronger usually = more time on the game. Over 3000 hours entitles me to a way more strongly heard opinion than someone with 200 hours.

And you know I am the perfect leader, militarily or politically. Dont fear me, support me. I am a player, and I have many friends who play here, and pay money to play.

How unfortunate if that stopped happening.

MasterNuke
07-03-2006, 11:57 AM
As I stated before: at the moment nobody knows what happens next. Let's wait and see what Alarico will do.



I see it different: this is the only way to do a revolution. At last we still have the Court of Chancery (Administration) to decide things. But for now: wait.

What Alarico will do? HE SHOULDN'T BE ABLE TO HAVE THIS MUCH CONTROL OVER WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE FIRST PLACE.

And revolution of what? Exactly how many members out of Zormite agreed to this? We're they all aware that what they did is considered illegal? All I see is Alarico and people OUTSIDE THE KINGDOM.

I think this whole thing is rather convinient for you, Sam? Perhaps the rumors are true and that you promote bug abuse whenever it benefits you greatly? I guess allowing Alarico to abuse the kingdom system was a quick and easy way to get people off your back, eh? Oh... don't you remember the leveling exploit that you announced as legal? But oh, coincidently when I noticed your experience wasn't going up for a long time, it suddenly becomes a priority to get rid of the exploit. But I won't jump to conclusions... I'll let someone else do that.

Edit: Oh... and please don't edit my post. I want to see a real response that doesn't involve your use of admin powers.

skyler87
07-03-2006, 12:19 PM
...Hm. Just want to point out afew potentially brilliant ideas here.

Sam:
Let's just cut the BS and go ahead and make a kingdom called (Misty Mug Tavern) and pillore the entire population of those who refuse to join for 1,000 hours and get it over with quicker. You had me convinced that you were legit staff, but eh, I should've known that you were no better than Jagen with your little Golden Edge that just happened to be doing massive fire damage to me. Oh yeah, find and internet GF and start making items for her, that'l help us get you fired faster, and maybe the next admin will stay uncorrupt for a little longer than you did.

Whoeverthehell is the deciding influence in the decision of what happens with Zormite:
Look at the situation, take it for what it is. How many Zormite members wanted Googi "overthrown" and whoever this newb Alarico is to take her place? I've never even heard of him, how is he fit to all at once be my new king..? I assure you that I am not the only one who sees the situation from this perspective.

Ed:
I don't think you could be any more on target with your post. It was indeed against the ORIGINAL rules that I've played by for the past three years for this to happen in the slightest manner (Well, I guess Sam coming along changed them?). It is reallly highly convenient for him, and bug abuse does seem to be a said field of specialization here. Sam is a super admin, always so busy making GK a better place, but he still found time to level three times as high as I have in my two thousand hours of online time. Is it actually an exploit now that he's finished with it?

I've put up with this garbage every since playing this server, but I've got to hand it to you Sam, I've never seen it peak like this. People running around with phys level 110, which is theoretically impossible to do legitimately without putting in an online time of approx. 13k hours (my math might be a bit off, try it for yourself on the assumption that the player has an unlimited amount of brutal maps (hmmmm)). A damn pub that's central well being takes precedence over that of the 5 major kingdoms. Has GK finally become marred beyond repair?

Divided
07-03-2006, 12:32 PM
I've put up with this garbage every since playing this server, but I've got to hand it to you Sam, I've never seen it peak like this. People running around with phys level 110, which is theoretically impossible to do legitimately without putting in an online time of approx. 13k hours (my math might be a bit off, try it for yourself on the assumption that the player has an unlimited amount of brutal maps (hmmmm)). A damn pub that's central well being takes precedence over that of the 5 major kingdoms. Has GK finally become marred beyond repair?
Its been there

Draenin
07-03-2006, 12:44 PM
Alarico illegally hijacked the ranks. It's the same thing xAndrewx did a while ago with Samurai.

Restore the leadership to the way it was or Zormite's in trouble.

Sam
07-03-2006, 03:58 PM
What Alarico will do? HE SHOULDN'T BE ABLE TO HAVE THIS MUCH CONTROL OVER WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE FIRST PLACE.
Tell it to those who gave him the rights, I didn't.


And revolution of what? Exactly how many members out of Zormite agreed to this? We're they all aware that what they did is considered illegal? All I see is Alarico and people OUTSIDE THE KINGDOM.
See what I've posted earlier in this thread (http://forums.graalonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1195864&postcount=9).



I think this whole thing is rather convinient for you, Sam? Perhaps the rumors are true and that you promote bug abuse whenever it benefits you greatly? I guess allowing Alarico to abuse the kingdom system was a quick and easy way to get people off your back, eh?

Who leads a kingdom is all the same to me, I have not to deal much with leaders. I am only a adviser for leaders, players and the main administration. The whole story of Zormite and the last war was never my business.
The leadership started a war to hit me personally, but they didn't get it I stated not to be active in CP nor in this war.


Oh... don't you remember the leveling exploit that you announced as legal? But oh, coincidently when I noticed your experience wasn't going up for a long time, it suddenly becomes a priority to get rid of the exploit. But I won't jump to conclusions... I'll let someone else do that.


At last I posted this: thread party bug (http://forums.graalonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1120834&postcount=48)
You see I didn't know that it was a king of bug.
At last if I really used this bug, do you think I wouldn't be lvl 107 in any skill? But I am still far away from that. And maybe you should ask the players that asked me the last 10-15 month, when I will finally be able to bless +9. My last jump being able to do +8 was the halloween fest in the halloween house, by killing bats and pumpkin lords.
But thats's not the topic here.


Edit: Oh... and please don't edit my post. I want to see a real response that doesn't involve your use of admin powers.


There is no reason for me to edit your post, I don't fear discussions.


...Whoeverthehell is the deciding influence in the decision of what happens with Zormite:
Look at the situation, take it for what it is. How many Zormite members wanted Googi "overthrown" and whoever this newb Alarico is to take her place? I've never even heard of him, how is he fit to all at once be my new king..? I assure you that I am not the only one who sees the situation from this perspective.


I don't want to jugde a book by it's cover, so I cannot say what the bigger part of members thinking about Googi and his leadership, nor I am able to estimate how active he was as leader.
For me he was a good choice because he seems always being active and have a good knowledge of RP and the past of GK and Zormite.

Loriel
07-03-2006, 04:12 PM
I think you're making a mountain out of a mole hill.
You are free to stop replying at any time.

AlaricoMontario
07-03-2006, 04:18 PM
My internet was down all of yesterday past around 1PM, when I got home from Church. Sam had agree'd to whoever won the battle to have the throne. As it stands, the allies won the battle.

Both Aranel Ka-Rhyanayalia and Governor Alan Steele support my leading of the Zormite EMpire. I hope everyone else will stand behind it too.

There are more ways to make activity on Graal Kingdoms than by shoving a sword down someone's throat for a bug that might not even exist.

Any who were loyal to the Zormite Republic may come to me and request amnesty. Zoogi, Bosh, Oasa, and Darklux may request similiar positions back, under new rules. All who served in the Republican Army may request to be placed in the Imperial Armed Forces.

Loriel
07-03-2006, 04:21 PM
If.....
If my father would be Bill Gates, I would buy a Harley and a sailing ship.
There is no relevance to the problem here.
The relevance is clear. Having the privileges on a authorisation level is not equivalent to being allowed to do something, and this is reflected multiple times in GraalOnline policies.

The only way to do a revolution is demote a king. Kingdoms should do RP.
This seems to conflict. The king can, out of character, play along with the revolution and step down when he is, in character, defeated. This is roleplaying.
Using a set of scripts to exclude the king from the kingdom's administrative functions is not roleplaying.

In case of kingdom things, we (staff) don't get in action as long as we are not in urgent need.
It is my personal opinion that your stance on this issue is flawed.

Nobody of you has talk with Alarico, so why you do such a storm in a tea-cup, instead waiting what will be happen?
I have sufficient understanding of the situation to come to conclusions about the staff's position on the situation. I am not personally interested in kingdoms politics and will not assume any position there. So insight into Alarico's intentions is not necessary.

Draenin
07-03-2006, 04:31 PM
Sam had agree'd to whoever won the battle to have the throne.You were a part of the kingdom, *****. You couldn't have 'won the battle.'
Both Aranel Ka-Rhyanayalia and Governor Alan Steele support my leading of the Zormite EMpire. I hope everyone else will stand behind it too.I don't. And if you don't return things to their proper order, I will drive Zormite back into the ground. Things were going fine until you decided to cheat your way into that position, traitor.
There are more ways to make activity on Graal Kingdoms than by shoving a sword down someone's throat for a bug that might not even exist.It DOES exist. I've known about it since I joined Dustari. The logs don't lie.
Any who were loyal to the Zormite Republic may come to me and request amnesty. Zoogi, Bosh, Oasa, and Darklux may request similiar positions back, under new rules. All who served in the Republican Army may request to be placed in the Imperial Armed Forces.Like hell they will. I am going to Bjorn about your immediate removal. I refuse to co-exist with such a conniving scoundrel such as yourself.

AlaricoMontario
07-03-2006, 04:41 PM
You don't have too.
You're not part of this KIngdom, you're part of Samurai.
THat is where your concern should be, not Zormite.

As a leader, you sh ould be more concerned with your own damned Kingdom than with the affairs of the other Kingdoms.

And its not a cheat. If the REPUBLIC had won, Zoogi would've been reinstated. As it stands, Bosh and Zoogi and the army lost horribly.

Its a coup, read up on it Draenin.

Draenin
07-03-2006, 05:20 PM
And its not a cheat.Yes, it is.
Its a coup, read up on it Draenin.No, it isn't. It's you abusing a bug with the G right. This is the reason why I don't hand out G rights in my kingdom.

AlaricoMontario
07-03-2006, 06:25 PM
I could say something right now, and it'd be true... but I'd rather be the mature one.

Also, I already spoke to Bjorn. We talked, and it went along the lines of "although it wasn't necessarily right, I don't care, because you were go ing to get the rights and title eventually anyways"

Draenin
07-03-2006, 06:31 PM
I could say something right now, and it'd be true... but I'd rather be the mature one.

Also, I already spoke to Bjorn. We talked, and it went along the lines of "although it wasn't necessarily right, I don't care, because you were go ing to get the rights and title eventually anyways"
Really? I had a talk with Bjorn too. Yesterday, as a matter of fact. He wasn't aware that you had even done it.

Deophite18
07-03-2006, 07:44 PM
My internet was down all of yesterday past around 1PM, when I got home from Church. Sam had agree'd to whoever won the battle to have the throne. As it stands, the allies won the battle.

Both Aranel Ka-Rhyanayalia and Governor Alan Steele support my leading of the Zormite EMpire. I hope everyone else will stand behind it too.

There are more ways to make activity on Graal Kingdoms than by shoving a sword down someone's throat for a bug that might not even exist.

Any who were loyal to the Zormite Republic may come to me and request amnesty. Zoogi, Bosh, Oasa, and Darklux may request similiar positions back, under new rules. All who served in the Republican Army may request to be placed in the Imperial Armed Forces.


It's easy to win a war when then majority of the kingdom you are invading isnt there not to mention the king.

skyler87
07-03-2006, 11:55 PM
You don't have too.
You're not part of this KIngdom, you're part of Samurai.
THat is where your concern should be, not Zormite.

As a leader, you sh ould be more concerned with your own damned Kingdom than with the affairs of the other Kingdoms.

And its not a cheat. If the REPUBLIC had won, Zoogi would've been reinstated. As it stands, Bosh and Zoogi and the army lost horribly.

Its a coup, read up on it Draenin.

I seem to recall pounding forest into the ground a week ago, both in RP and in "physical force". Guess I get to pick their new king now, huh? We attacked them on their lands, beat their stronghold into forfeit, and obtained an admitted surrender. TIME 4 NEW KING OF FOREST GUYS, WHO'S IT GONNA BE?

Zero Hour
07-04-2006, 12:02 AM
Its a coup, read up on it Draenin.
Revolutions and such have to be agreed upon by both RP sides, otherwise it becomes an action, not Role Playing.