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maximus_asinus
11-19-2005, 05:24 PM
We've (the general public) talked about it a great deal, and the majority of players would like to see the restriction of multiguilding (the number of guilds a person can join at a time). Creating / operating a guild used to mean something, but as it is, its a part of signing up for Graal. Since this happened, guilds have lost there meaning. I propose that multiguilding should be limited to a few guilds (when I say a few, I would be thinking around three at most). Granted, you'll tell me that if a guild doesn't want multiguilding, they'll make it a rule of joining, but I think this restriction should apply to all guilds. We might see the return of guild rivals, and guild wars, which I am sure would attract more players.

Feedback, but I'd like to see the Guild Admin's response.

Minoc
11-19-2005, 06:02 PM
I disagree, I believe the best solution is cutting the amount of guilds significantly.
It could be easily done, by setting a requirement of 10 active guild members in one month.

Currently, 310 guilds are inactive (with 0 activity percents) and at least 200 have 1-9 active members.
Those guilds should be erased, reducing the number of active guilds to 120 (out of 630).

VulcanP2P
11-20-2005, 07:57 AM
I don't see why you would want to limit the ammount of guilds a person can be in. I personally think that if a guild leader wishes to not have multiguilders then they should instate a rule for their members.

As for the ammount of inactive guilds, I agree. Something will need to be done about all the guilds where no one has worn a tag for a year >.> I'll take time to talk with Stefan about these guilds and probably start erasing extremely inactive ones.

Minoc
12-17-2005, 10:37 AM
Hm..

MKxTortoise
12-18-2005, 06:08 AM
stuff like this is the responsibility of the guildleader. Just because most guildleaders can't enforce it doesn't mean a rule should be created to make them suck less.

Ultimately such a rule would kill their guilds anyway, as all of the flavor of the month guilds would never get off the ground..

Lance
12-18-2005, 06:44 AM
I am in several guilds. No.

Deophite18
12-18-2005, 07:06 AM
People should be allowed to be in how ever many guilds they want. It is the guild leaders responsibility to monitor multiguilding if he has issues with it.

Flares
12-18-2005, 07:56 AM
There is no reason to enforce multiguilding. Personally, I am only in a couple of guilds, but if people want to join any guild that tickles their fancy, that seems fine with me. In my experience, the days of guild rivalry took the firmest grip when there were not a lot of servers, and there were very few guilds on one particular server. With the way things are now, even if global guilds are cut back to try and produce fewer guilds with more activity, it will not stop individual server guilds from springing back up in number. The days of guild rivalry were fun, but, they've been outdated by global guilds.

protagonist
12-18-2005, 08:00 AM
Make it easier for leaders to find out if there are multi-guilders in their guild.

Also, there should be incentives for guilds if they do well. Maybe the guilds with the top 10 activity could have free webspace?

jake13jake
01-02-2006, 03:50 AM
You can't bring back the old guilding atmosphere unless multiguilding is prohibited. That way, a player will join the guild that they think offers the most potential to them. A better shopping market. Guilds should also be separated into family guilds and nation guilds. Family guilds would have a cap of maybe 8-12 members, nation guilds would have a cap of 45-60. A player can only join one family guild and one nation guild, but perhaps they can wear their family guild and their nation guild tags at the same time. Lower restrictions for family guilds and heighten restrictions for nation guilds.

If people want to join any guild that enters their fancy, it destroys the atmosphere of guilding on Graal. Recently I readded the MoD Fort to Classic, and when I massed asking for ideas of how I should script who owns the fort, I received a severe lack of interest. Because almost everyone is multi-guilding, there is no sense of rivalry/alliance between guilds. Unless the modern global guild system can make some changes, the only way to regain the environment of the old guild system would be to make guilds local to server, but in doing that, it would discourage players coming to a server with only local guilds, or discourage competition between servers when people wouldn't want to leave their guild on the initial server.

Any other system is flawed because not many people would care about "free webspace" or things you can do globally, only advantages within the game, and with a global guild system, and with so many guilds, that would be impossible to accomplish. However, where the server that the guild plays on is listed, you could possibly give servers the option of giving the highest active guilds special NPCs. Other than that, no, I wouldn't care. Nobody cares and that's the problem.

With apathy all about, you can't stop it, but you can enforce against it.

You can't say prohibiting multi-guilding would be negative on the guild system, but without it, it would probably leave the most serious guilds that have higher standards of recruiting, so newbies would always be looking to start their own guild and join a guild. A new guild would have lower admission requirements as is expected, and etc.

jake13jake
01-07-2006, 05:36 AM
It would be also neat if you could have guild mergers too, like... MyNick (Guild Name) (Guild Alliance Name), for allied guilds or families that align themselves with an alliance.

HarDKoRe1234
01-08-2006, 08:51 AM
The top 10 guilds having free webspace idea wouldn't work because they change so frequently.

I, myself, like the idea of restriction of guilds but I'm all about being in one guild. BTK uses the "no multiguild" rule. If I see a member in another guild, I remove them. :P

gozen
01-08-2006, 09:17 PM
who is btk?

Minoc
02-03-2006, 01:58 PM
As for the ammount of inactive guilds, I agree. Something will need to be done about all the guilds where no one has worn a tag for a year >.> I'll take time to talk with Stefan about these guilds and probably start erasing extremely inactive ones.
Well?

maximus_asinus
02-03-2006, 06:06 PM
Well?
He hasn't done anything about the copyrighted guilds I sent him a month ago either.

Seriously, who cares about guilds with trademarked names? They shouldn't be illegal.
Well then I bring up my old point. If they don't remove old copyright infringing guilds, then they should start accepting them. I want my guild Microsoft, thank you.

Minoc
02-03-2006, 06:20 PM
He hasn't done anything about the copyrighted guilds I sent him a month ago either.
Seriously, who cares about guilds with trademarked names? They shouldn't be illegal.

Corp1
02-05-2006, 04:32 AM
Seriously, who cares about guilds with trademarked names? They shouldn't be illegal.

Seriously if graalonline gets a letter telling them to cease and desist with using a certain name...then they should do it....otherwise it shouldnt hurt anyone unless we had Zelda guilds and RPG guilds which should still be illegal.

Minoc
02-08-2006, 07:05 PM
Filtering new guilds better would also be helpful, there are too many.
http://graalonline.com/guilds/viewguild.php?gid=5390&full=0&view=info

adam
02-25-2006, 03:39 PM
As for multiguilders.

Give them the option of showing anything after thier name with ( ) and they will be happy. All they care about is having lot's of tags.

As for true guilders.

They only care about one. Guilds aren't a status symbal. Thier a community.

And right now with multiguilding thier broken communities with members who are worthless trying to serve so many guilds.

Most game's only allow one guild. Actually most games put a high high value on guild creation.

Minoc
03-09-2006, 11:34 PM
Good job.

KaasharuHunter
03-19-2006, 05:17 PM
I believe no multiguilding it's a rule a leader shall enforce if he/she feels the need to, it shouldn't be obligated by the system. Regaurding the inactive guilds, there is a big number of useless guilds.

- Kaasharu

Minoc
05-30-2006, 11:11 PM
6 months, no progress..

jake13jake
05-31-2006, 01:45 AM
6 months, no progress..
We can't even make a system that takes data from the guild db, that's all I'd want.

EDIT: http://forums.graalonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66341
Something like this would be the best way to go. That way scripters could create their own downfalls to multiguilding, but rather than placing the problem on the player that's multiguilding, place it on the guild that has a multiguilder.

It would also be nice if there were a guild type variable in the guild db (family/common)

Ant Digger
06-24-2006, 10:36 PM
New Guild Administrator Please.

Thank You.


The End.

Minoc
06-28-2006, 06:58 AM
Seriously, do SOMETHING.

LOA--Paul
06-28-2006, 07:15 PM
I don't really partake in much multiguilding myself as a leader. However, I am a member and old contributor to some allies. For example- Vigilant Knights where I am a senior knight.

I use both tags, LOA majority of the time.

Another example: some members of LOA are also members of US, done intentionally to strengthen the alliance. Depending on who's in need at the time the tags will switch.

It's the same army pretty much under different leadership structures. I guess you could say it's similar to an officer exchange program.

But yes you're right. People who are in 15 guilds are ridiculous. My account is probably in 5 or so- but I don't use them. Just haven't bothered to remove myself from them.

p2p_Sir_Link
06-28-2006, 07:53 PM
let's become super best friends to really strengthen the alliance.

adam
06-28-2006, 08:47 PM
Yeah, this is still a problem.

matt5892
07-14-2006, 05:57 AM
It would be also neat if you could have guild mergers too, like... MyNick (Guild Name) (Guild Alliance Name), for allied guilds or families that align themselves with an alliance.
:cool: this caught my eye and I'm running with it we should make it like setnick nick setguild guild , guild , guild ...... which will appear as

nick(guild (guild (guild)

Minoc
07-25-2006, 11:32 PM
:[

Triptheballer
07-28-2006, 02:55 AM
hmm from a player that multi-guilds more than most people id have to say id actually like a limit on muti-guilding. Being in a guild used to mean something, but now theres NO guild wars anywhere. Multi-guilding reduces the tention between guilds and players just stop caring.

Inactive guilds need to be deleted, and i even think its wrong that im in 30+ guilds XD

Minoc
08-14-2006, 06:08 PM
Nearly 9 months..

hampy
08-15-2006, 01:00 PM
hmm from a player that multi-guilds more than most people id have to say id actually like a limit on muti-guilding. Being in a guild used to mean something, but now theres NO guild wars anywhere. Multi-guilding reduces the tention between guilds and players just stop caring.

Inactive guilds need to be deleted, and i even think its wrong that im in 30+ guilds XD

Yea, I dont bother with guilds for this exact reason x_x

Rufus
08-26-2006, 09:40 AM
Nearly 9 months..

Does anyone actually care for the guilds anymore? Seriously?

Why hasn't anything been updated or changed within the 9 months?

Emily_Cruddas
08-26-2006, 11:27 AM
I am in several guilds. No.


So? It seems as if it's only you that cares about being in many guilds at once, perhaps instead of bluntly refusing to accept the idea so quickly, give some ideas on how this could affect graal in a negative way, and ask yourself, "what would people just downloading graal for their first time think about being limited to one or two guilds? Would they worry about it for very long? Would it be just part of the game?"

You were able to accept many things with graal when you first started right? How certain systems worked, how you did the quests, it all seems great at the time but it wasn't perfect, that's why graal is moving forward, constantly making things much better than before, so why is fixing how the guild system works going to hurt you in the long run?


Certain people don't seem to want a change even if it has the possibility to help graal have more customers, i always find that strange, the better the idea given then the more some people try to shoot that good idea down.

Rufus
08-26-2006, 12:07 PM
Certain people don't seem to want a change even if it has the possibility to help graal have more customers, i always find that strange, the better the idea given then the more some people try to shoot that good idea down.

Exactly.

Minoc
08-26-2006, 04:22 PM
Removing multiguilding would upset too many old players.

What I don't understand is why new useless guilds such as i R Turtle, Awsome-O-Saurus, and Soda are still approved.

XsteveXcoreX
08-29-2006, 02:03 PM
I think multiguilding should be kept. It is up to the players and their sole decision whether to stay with 1 guild or join multiple guilds.

jake13jake
08-30-2006, 10:14 PM
Multi-guilding isn't so much a problem. The problem is that there's not much incentive to be in a guild. If a lot of people want to be in a guild, then the guild leader will have the ability to shape the guild as they please. However, guilds aren't incorporated into the system as players are. You can set a player's flags, but you can't set a guild's flags. You can view a player's variables, but the only thing that's accessible is guild name. When you use requesttext, you can get a rank # and guildnick, not much else.

On Classic I built a system that can save flags for guilds. The current problem with this system is that it's difficult to remove guild info for inactive guilds. However, guild life seems to be improved on Classic in a sense that it hasn't been very active since WillieJamal and Gorthaur left.

Minoc
09-26-2006, 11:28 PM
390 inactive guilds out of 680, perfect.

Minoc
10-31-2006, 01:30 AM
It's hopeless. :|

jacob_bald6225
10-31-2006, 01:37 AM
More attention to guilds would be nice...

Rufus
10-31-2006, 01:39 AM
More attention to guilds would be nice...

I very much agree.

Vulcan
10-31-2006, 01:40 AM
I very much agree.

As do I.

MisterMastermind
10-31-2006, 02:05 AM
Multi-guilding ruins the competition between guilds.

zim5354
10-31-2006, 02:12 AM
Multi-guilding ruins the competition between guilds.

Yep problem is why should they not multi guild? i mean there isnt any real reward for stating true to one guild.

Tyhm
10-31-2006, 03:39 AM
I'm with Mass - the big problem with Guild Loyalty is that you can take off your tag and suddenly you're not affiliated with that guild anymore - no cooldown, no easy way to look it up. 's why I like what he's done on Classic, where you can't just conquer a fort with one guild, then change tags and conquer it again - every exploit you remove, you make guild warfare that much more meaningful.

Minoc
10-31-2006, 10:09 AM
As do I.
...
Who are you trying to accuse?

Vulcan
10-31-2006, 01:37 PM
...
Who are you trying to accuse?
It wasn't an accusation.

Minoc
10-31-2006, 01:49 PM
It wasn't an accusation.
Then you admit you've been neglecting the guilds?

Vulcan
10-31-2006, 09:45 PM
Then you admit you've been neglecting the guilds?

Unintentionally...yes. I have not been able to administrate them as well as I would like to. I mentioned to Ibonic that I may not have time for guilds due to the program I am entering in school this year a while back. I have also recently mentioned to him that some people feel that guilds are being neglected and that it might be a good idea to get someone to help.

Minoc
10-31-2006, 10:50 PM
Why don't you just step down?

pooper200000
10-31-2006, 11:44 PM
Why don't you just step down?

because he does a good job when hes around.:rolleyes: Maybe they should hire a global guild assitant admin or something? I always think that vulcan works pretty hard when hes around.

Minoc
10-31-2006, 11:53 PM
because he does a good job when hes around.:rolleyes: Maybe they should hire a global guild assitant admin or something? I always think that vulcan works pretty hard when hes around.
Are you kidding?
Look at this thread, nothing has been done for nearly a year.

pooper200000
10-31-2006, 11:55 PM
Are you kidding?
Look at this thread, nothing has been done for nearly a year.

Ive seen many guilds that are new approved. Its jsut he only logs on maybe once a week at max. I really not kidding and if you have a problem with it tell me why.

Minoc
10-31-2006, 11:59 PM
Ive seen many guilds that are new approved. Its jsut he only logs on maybe once a week at max. I really not kidding and if you have a problem with it tell me why.
I'm pretty sure approving new guilds isn't the guild administrator's only duty.

pooper200000
11-01-2006, 12:09 AM
what are they? List every single one

Minoc
11-01-2006, 12:40 AM
I don't think that's necessary.

maximus_asinus
11-01-2006, 12:45 AM
He doesn't want to step down because that would mean that he has to relinquish his power. Far easier for him to ask for an assistant, except this assistant would be doing most of the work.

Rufus
11-03-2006, 04:28 PM
He doesn't want to step down because that would mean that he has to relinquish his power. Far easier for him to ask for an assistant, except this assistant would be doing most of the work.

Minoc seems very active in guild activity, I believe he'd be perfect as an assistant, or even administrator but that doesn't seem to be an option >_<

Minoc
11-03-2006, 07:44 PM
Minoc seems very active in guild activity, I believe he'd be perfect as an assistant, or even administrator but that doesn't seem to be an option >_<
As I've stated before, I have no intention of becoming the assistant guilds administrator.

Minoc
12-08-2006, 11:14 PM
It has been over a year since
As for the ammount of inactive guilds, I agree. Something will need to be done about all the guilds where no one has worn a tag for a year >.> I'll take time to talk with Stefan about these guilds and probably start erasing extremely inactive ones.

Glefistus
02-03-2007, 01:43 AM
limit it to 7 i think

Minoc
02-03-2007, 09:48 AM
Why 7?