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LogicBot
01-06-2005, 09:55 PM
wewt! ^^

About time you guys got one.

Nappa
01-06-2005, 10:18 PM
Have we suffered a new ice age ? Dear god man!

Eagle
01-06-2005, 10:19 PM
How long have you guys been waiting for one now? Had to be a couple years.. >_<

ETD
01-06-2005, 10:23 PM
I think I saw a pig fly by my window
o.o

TESTRETIS
01-06-2005, 10:29 PM
Boo, now I can't use artmoney anymore ;P

Eagle
01-06-2005, 11:06 PM
I think I saw a pig fly by my window
o.o

I could of sworn I saw some too..

WanDaMan
01-06-2005, 11:21 PM
:eek: Congrats ;)

Malinko
01-06-2005, 11:40 PM
Yay, now Classic can develop more!

Nappa
01-06-2005, 11:41 PM
Actually, Classic just added in a very very crappy fighting system. I am dissapointed.

Unpredlctable
01-07-2005, 12:18 AM
Yah, it was a bit of a let down... it'll probably take some getting used to with this new pk'ing system. Or maybe, change it back? But who knows? *hint hint*

Sky
01-07-2005, 12:48 AM
thats cool... ^^

Skyld
01-07-2005, 01:04 AM
Apparently, it does not live up to what one would think. I do not know yet myself.

superb
01-07-2005, 01:14 AM
It's like bugged to all hell mwahaha

oh well

Curt1zzle
01-07-2005, 01:16 AM
It seems the entire world would basically have to be rescripted, wouldn't it?

(Quests, getting weapons, etc...)

Seems like a lot of work was needed. :o

Unpredlctable
01-07-2005, 01:39 AM
Yeah, Master Storm got the levels which are up now rescripted to coordinate with the NPC Server and all.
Classic is not completely done. Though, I wish, they would've still kept Graal the Adventure so we can go there till it's all done.
But in the end it's kind of silly to release Classic dev now when it's not even done, ya know.

LogicBot
01-07-2005, 02:25 AM
you'd think that they would have done this in debug before hand.

At least they have a server now though. ^^

Galdor
01-07-2005, 02:43 AM
new classic rocks! it feel more like the old... old classic. =)))))
and finaly we got the name back... graal the adventure?...pfft no ty.

Polo
01-07-2005, 02:45 AM
On monday old server support gets disable. so i either released or classic goes hidden for 2 months... take your pick?

bugs will slowly be ironed out

Crono
01-07-2005, 02:48 AM
good god finally. the server will still suck though :(

LogicBot
01-07-2005, 03:29 AM
good god finally. the server will still suck though :(
dhsadhasgdjs?

Classic 0wns...and I didn't know they took down debug. Shame. :\

Goboom
01-07-2005, 04:36 AM
wewt! ^^

About time you guys got one.
The devil just called and told me that HELL FROZE OVER! :)
Now we have to wait for the Detroit Lions to win the Super Bowl...-_-

Crono
01-07-2005, 04:49 AM
dhsadhasgdjs?

Classic 0wns...and I didn't know they took down debug. Shame. :\

It's been dead for 2 years...or so I see it. Maybe others say it's been "asleep" for 2 years...

TESTRETIS
01-07-2005, 05:56 AM
Mmm....*waits anxiously for everything to be fixed*

When I worked at ClassicDev when Kat was around, it was a big mess.

Emily_Cruddas
01-07-2005, 04:53 PM
I'll use classic more once again, i got hooked when it was free at the time, only MoD fort and Sylphia fort were up (babord/destiny/kulls/and floydian forts were not made) and i think the new PK rating system is much less confusing anyway, as for any bugs a few sounds are not re-added yet such as the sound of scattered bush leaves after being tossed, it's just sad reading folks moan and groan this fast, the server was just reset for gosh sake, i think this is the very first time for classic.



As for most other servers out there, i wish folks would not try to make them, sure you may have skills and being a manager to your own PW would help build on those skills, but if your playerworld is failing just have it deleted, just finding a new manager gets even harder because folks don't want to lose that playerworld, just try to work on ONE PW and make different sections that can be developed by the MANY skilled workers floating here and there!

GoZelda
01-07-2005, 11:27 PM
Ugh this sucks. I can't cut 5/6 of all bushes x_x

Polo
01-08-2005, 02:21 PM
The simple fact is, Classic was no longer classic, and somthing had to be done. Some stuff is slightly different, such as the hit detection, but it doesn't take long to get used to, and there was no other way I could do it. Thanks emily for pointing out the missing sound btw, i'll fix that when I get back to my halls.

HoudiniMan
01-08-2005, 10:30 PM
I have to admit the idea of Classic using a "non default" system for fighting warps my memories of it... It seems like Classic should be a tribute to the past, but I haven't experienced it first hand so I'll have to give it a chance.

Polo
01-09-2005, 01:53 AM
I have to admit the idea of Classic using a "non default" system for fighting warps my memories of it... It seems like Classic should be a tribute to the past, but I haven't experienced it first hand so I'll have to give it a chance.

Its exactly the same but using serverside hit detection.

syltburk
01-09-2005, 04:11 PM
I guess the ventrue newbs won =/

Crono
01-09-2005, 04:46 PM
They need a true classic server, one that uses the old tile set and such. That way we can all remember how graal has evolved.

Shaun
01-09-2005, 05:38 PM
A true classic server would be flirting with Nintendo's legal team.

Minoc
01-10-2005, 06:37 PM
They need a true classic server, one that uses the old tile set and such. That way we can all remember how graal has evolved.
I've had plans, but a massive team is required to convert the old scripts.

MasterNuke
01-28-2005, 09:57 AM
I disagree with all of you.
I don't know about all you crazy people, but Classic is now beyond horrible. As an oldbie, Classic is now unplayable to me and will -never- be close to the Classic I played as long as you try to push this npc-server/serverside stuff. Movement is sluggish and jerky, doing simple things lags, animations and sounds are not the same. Arrows and bombs are awful. Etc etc.

Graal: The Adventure was just fine. In fact, it was better off. Why ruin something that was polished and smoothened? Why was it necessary to obliterate it all and try to create this? Is this really worth it to have an NPC-Server? If it wasn't "classic" enough... why didn't you just stop calling it "classic"?

Please explain.

Polo
01-28-2005, 01:06 PM
I disagree with all of you.
Each to thier own opinion then.

Classic is now beyond horrible.
Each to thier own opinion then (again).

As an oldbie, Classic is now unplayable to me and will -never- be close to the Classic I played as long as you try to push this npc-server/serverside stuff.
You probably played a different Classic to the one I was playing then.

Movement is sluggish and jerky
This is just plainly wrong. You must be experincing an isolated problem.

doing simple things lags
Again this is just simply not true. Infact, without all the weapons in your inventory and stuff, its actually less laggy than before.

animations and sounds are not the same
Well considering I used that gani set from GTA, and just renamed them all to have classic_ on the front, I'm surprised that they appear different. As for the sounds, well these were contained in the gani's already, so again, I have no idea how they would have changed. Please provide a specific example where my miraculous renaming of files caused them to change.

Arrows and bombs are awful.
Ummm.. They are like the same.. To be fair, bombs and arrows never were the most spectacular of tools.

Graal: The Adventure was just fine.
Quests and items which did not work is 'fine'?

In fact, it was better off.
Each to thier own opinion, yet again.

Why ruin something that was polished and smoothened?
It was about as smooth as sandpaper, and full of bugs. Clearly our interpretations of quality differ somewhat.

Why was it necessary to obliterate it all
Because Classic Server support was dropped by GServer with the most recent updates to the client. Therefore we had to create an NPC Server version of Classic. The bugs inherent in the existing GTA were such that to try and convert it all was simply impossible, hence we started afresh.

Is this really worth it to have an NPC-Server?
Unless you wanted Classic to just stop existing, we had to make it NPC Server ready.

If it wasn't "classic" enough... why didn't you just stop calling it "classic"?
Because that would defy the whole meaning of the server.




Does that explain it enough for you?
Please stop criticizing my work unless you have something constructive to say.

Doahh_p2p
01-28-2005, 05:28 PM
I disagree with all of you.
I don't know about all you crazy people, but Classic is now beyond horrible. As an oldbie, Classic is now unplayable to me and will -never- be close to the Classic I played as long as you try to push this npc-server/serverside stuff. Movement is sluggish and jerky, doing simple things lags, animations and sounds are not the same. Arrows and bombs are awful. Etc etc.

Graal: The Adventure was just fine. In fact, it was better off. Why ruin something that was polished and smoothened? Why was it necessary to obliterate it all and try to create this? Is this really worth it to have an NPC-Server? If it wasn't "classic" enough... why didn't you just stop calling it "classic"?

Please explain.

You said it for me =)

MasterNuke
01-28-2005, 08:22 PM
-All that individual sentence quoting stuff-
Sorry, I was in a nasty mood when I wrote that. Was not informed that they junked the support for it. Tis a shame... anyway... When you play Classic now... can you feel the difference? If you can, please fine tune the movement a bit.

-Bugs already found- (Yea... fine... I'll be constructive)
When you kill a player... the victim's AP is dropping instead of the killer.
Items(like arrows and bombs) fall too slowly and don't make a ding sound when you pick them up.
Arrows not being blocked by shields if that is intended... could be a major problem in doing quests. In fact... didn't they used to go through walls?

Not sure about this one... might just be my keyboard... but if you hold 'up' and 'down' and then hold down 'right' and then 'left' and let go of 'right' it makes you walk right....

Warp ring used to make 3 "clicks" before warping... right now it's only doing one.

If you press D when you're in the Q menu... it selects AND fires the weapon. Not sure if this is intended.

Can't stop rupees/arrows/bombs/hearts anymore :(

Can't pick up signs and throw them.

Used to be able to get through tight spaces with diagonal movement. Can't now :( Have to walk straight.

The "laying down bomb" sound when laying down bombs is absent.

When bomb explodes... a shadow is there for a brief moment. Intended?

The delay when laying down bombs... where did that come from?

Can't pick up bombs to throw them.

When other players cut bushes... it doesn't show up.

This should be fixed after the AP bug is fixed... 100ap players are taking damage from swords.

Cliff jumping is a bit too senstitive... same with pushing.

Can't cut grass.

On "ammo" items again... the time between it starts blinking and disappears is rather short. Kinda defeats the purpose of it blinking.

Gold and red rupees should -never- drop from bushes/grass...

Polo
01-28-2005, 09:37 PM
When you posted before it also put me in a foul mood, hence the Kai-esque post. This is much better, I can now answer about each of the things you have reported.

When you kill a player... the victim's AP is dropping instead of the killer.
Due to popular request, AP was removed, but as some people still wanted some kind of back name type thing, I made somthing called PK Rating. Its basically and estimation from 0 to 100 of how well you are currently performing at PK, and your nick changes colour to reflect this.

Items(like arrows and bombs) fall too slowly and don't make a ding sound when you pick them up.
I was not aware of this. I will time it against the offline mode tommorow to get it exactly right, and will add the ding as you request :). I also need to change the detection region slightly too ;).

Arrows not being blocked by shields if that is intended... could be a major problem in doing quests. In fact... didn't they used to go through walls?
We are using projectiles (shoot) for the arrows at the moment as they work the best on serverside. Unfortunately they do not work exactly the same as the old arrows, though I can probably add the blocking for when you are facing the arrow.

Not sure about this one... might just be my keyboard... but if you hold 'up' and 'down' and then hold down 'right' and then 'left' and let go of 'right' it makes you walk right....
I cant really check this one out, as if you hold all four cursor keys on my keyboard the computer beeps. I think it is probably your keyboard, but I will check the movement code tommorow.

Warp ring used to make 3 "clicks" before warping... right now it's only doing one.
I dont play with sound so I was unaware of this. I can change it tommorow.

If you press D when you're in the Q menu... it selects AND fires the weapon. Not sure if this is intended.
I had not noticed or even considered this, I will try and make a fix over the weekend.

Can't stop rupees/arrows/bombs/hearts anymore :(
I dont understand what you mean by this? Can you rephrase or somthing.

Can't pick up signs and throw them.
I was already aware of this, but reluctant to fix before. I'll do it over the weekend, but it may take a while to update all the levels.

Used to be able to get through tight spaces with diagonal movement. Can't now :( Have to walk straight.
The movement is a lot more accurate with wall checking now, and thats why this happens. Its not really viable to implement a fix, although I'm planning a major movement tweak sometime soon, which may fix this. Sorry :(.

The "laying down bomb" sound when laying down bombs is absent.
Again, I dont play with sound so I was unaware, I will fix this tommorow.

When bomb explodes... a shadow is there for a brief moment. Intended?
GrowlZ made the bombs and thier ganis, I will remove the sadow tommorow.

The delay when laying down bombs... where did that come from?
GrowlZ put it in when he made the bombs. I reduced the delay a lot this morning, although I'll probably remove it completely.

Can't pick up bombs to throw them.
This is awkward to code I think? I'll ask GrowlZ to see if he can add it.

When other players cut bushes... it doesn't show up.[/QOUTE]
Th bushes pots and rocks (and signs when I do them) are all clientside as this reduces the lag (a lot). I can possibly make it so that they dissapear for everyone, but I'm not sure, I'll see.

[QUOTE=MasterNuke]This should be fixed after the AP bug is fixed... 100ap players are taking damage from swords.
PK Ratings stuff... blaa blaa... see above. ;)

Cliff jumping is a bit too senstitive... same with pushing.
When I did the movement I intentionally made it low to make movement more fluid. I'll raise it a little bit, as its a very easy fix for me to do.

Can't cut grass.
The old sword gani was what makes grass get cut, but this also causes players to be hit by the old hit detection, which breaks thier movement and looks wierd. Sorry, but I dont think I can fix this :(.

On "ammo" items again... the time between it starts blinking and disappears is rather short. Kinda defeats the purpose of it blinking.
I'll sort this when I check all the timing stuff for them.

Gold and red rupees should -never- drop from bushes/grass...
Hehe, my mistake :(


When people point out the errors like this it makes my job easier. I think its fair to say that you cannot expect someone to be able to perfectly emulate everything first time round, and thats why we need people to report even minor things.

Kaimetsu
01-28-2005, 09:57 PM
When you posted before it also put me in a foul mood, hence the Kai-esque post

The what now?

Evil_Trunks
01-28-2005, 10:11 PM
I believe he is referring to your style of debating/arguing where you quote each individual sentence and say why it is wrong.

Kaimetsu
01-28-2005, 10:14 PM
I believe he is referring to your style of debating/arguing where you quote each individual sentence and say why it is wrong.

But that isn't linked to foulness of mood :(

leemanrulz
01-28-2005, 10:22 PM
I think he means DROP heats/Gelat/etc.

Also, the bomb sound WAS there last night, but now it isn't there.

Polo
01-29-2005, 03:36 AM
But that isn't linked to foulness of mood :(

Usually listing each individual sentence is too much effort for me, it was only that I was fed up of such posts flaming Classic that I replied in such a manner. By Kai-esque, I am indeed refering to your style of quoting every minor detail.

So, the foulness does not make it Kai-esque, it is just that the foulness promted me to do a Kai-esque, the 2 being exclusive things.

Anyway, thats getting off topic so :/

Pooka
01-29-2005, 06:19 AM
What benefits does an NPCServer bring?

Honestly, I used to play almost exclusively on Classic just because NPCServer lags for me. At least on Classic the only real lag had to do with your connection and other players, whereas now even on 256k DSL I'm lagging. I go to open a door and it takes upwards of 10 seconds for it to "open".

I find NPCServer to be nothing but horrible :(

EDIT - There is the bonus that Classic may be worked on now. If that's the case, can we expect a new overworld or will it be developed to be just as ugly as it used to be?

Polo
01-29-2005, 11:41 AM
I find NPCServer to be nothing but horrible :(
Unfortunately, your now in the minority. NPC Server brings a lot of benefits and on Classic were working hard to make sure there is as little lag as possible.

EDIT - There is the bonus that Classic may be worked on now. If that's the case, can we expect a new overworld or will it be developed to be just as ugly as it used to be?
The main city, Onnet, MOD and a few key places like that will be the same but with ever increasing touch ups to thier tiling, the rest will be new, but should follow the theme of that classic was like before...

syltburk
01-29-2005, 11:43 AM
master storm destroyed zols by bringing Lycia and Stom"ina" in there!!!!!!!! What are you thinking with? Damn...

StrykerTFFD
01-29-2005, 08:54 PM
master storm destroyed zols by bringing Lycia and Stom"ina" in there!!!!!!!! What are you thinking with? Damn...

Yes, two NPCs destroyed all of Zols. :rolleyes:

MasterNuke
01-29-2005, 09:33 PM
The "clicking" of the warp ring... I meant the animation of using the warp ring used to loop 3 times before it warps.

When hearts/arrows/bomb things pop out of stuff and you're not moving, it doesn't pick the item up. Have to move around the outside edges of the item to get it to detect that I'm there :(

syltburk
01-29-2005, 09:58 PM
Yes, two NPCs destroyed all of Zols. :rolleyes:
Yep it does..!!!!

StrykerTFFD
01-30-2005, 12:31 AM
When hearts/arrows/bomb things pop out of stuff and you're not moving, it doesn't pick the item up. Have to move around the outside edges of the item to get it to detect that I'm there :(

This was fixed today by GrowlZ. :cool:

Minoc
07-27-2013, 10:45 PM
Yay!

baseman101
07-27-2013, 11:23 PM
Yay!

no.

DustyPorViva
07-27-2013, 11:32 PM
I was about to complain about thread necroing but then I realized there's absolutely nothing else going on with these forums so *shrug*

Stephen
07-28-2013, 12:08 AM
I was about to complain about thread necroing but then I realized there's absolutely nothing else going on with these forums so *shrug*
Better yet, where the heck is GrowlZ?

Galdor
07-28-2013, 12:56 AM
.... yay.....