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Brad
09-21-2002, 09:46 AM
People people, must we always complain? I made an idea I guess.

It's alot like the old system with small modifications.

For account problems, Lyndzey is your woman. She will read her e-mails daily and spend time on either classic or the gold servers.

Nemesis and Alkaren will handle all GM issues such as corruption on playerworlds,accts when Lyndzey is not availiable, and whatever the hell else they did.

Konidias will be Unixmad's right hand man. All issues will goto him and out through Koni.

Every Wednesday and Sunday, a meeting is held on a private playerworld in which they are given access to. They speak about all issues and communicate. Also, if needed they all have a private e-mail where they can keep in touch for more private matters.

Dunno. wutever man

Googi
09-21-2002, 09:48 AM
Didn't Alkaren and Nemesis quit?

albus777
09-21-2002, 09:49 AM
And Lyndzey's powers were removed.

zell12
09-21-2002, 09:51 AM
Ibonic quit, Alk and Nem were fired.

Googi
09-21-2002, 09:52 AM
Originally posted by albus777
And Lyndzey's powers were removed.

What's the point of having an account admin who can't change accounts passwords and the like.

albus777
09-21-2002, 09:52 AM
Originally posted by Googi


What's the point of having an account admin who can't change accounts passwords and the like.
Unixmad removed the powers, so she's not really an admin anymore.

DragonX2
09-21-2002, 09:53 AM
Originally posted by albus777

Unixmad removed the powers, so she's not really an admin anymore.

he removed all level 4 RC's...she should get her rights back tomorrow....

Pith
09-21-2002, 09:54 AM
Brad missed alot of stuff that happened lel

Googi
09-21-2002, 09:55 AM
Why would Lyndzey need anything besides the ability to change account details and (possibly) warpto.

Brad
09-21-2002, 09:55 AM
oh

i wasnt here since last friday

Pith
09-21-2002, 09:56 AM
Originally posted by Brad
oh

i wasnt here since last friday
u promised me more logic.real crap bish

Torankusu
09-21-2002, 09:57 AM
Originally posted by Googi
Why would Lyndzey need anything besides the ability to change account details and (possibly) warpto. uh......
being able to edit accounts makes you able to change warpto, e-mail, ban info, etc. It's all in a right. (change staff accounts, change accounts.) It's what an ACCOUNT ADMIN does.

Googi
09-21-2002, 09:59 AM
Originally posted by Torankusu
uh......
being able to edit accounts makes you able to change warpto, e-mail, ban info, etc. It's all in a right. (change staff accounts, change accounts.) It's what an ACCOUNT ADMIN does.

Eh, there shouldn't be RC levels anyways, you should just be able to assign certain rights on an individual basis.

Torankusu
09-21-2002, 10:00 AM
Originally posted by Googi


Eh, there shouldn't be RC levels anyways, you should just be able to assign certain rights on an individual basis. I take it you're completely unaware of the RC rights.

Googi
09-21-2002, 10:01 AM
Originally posted by Torankusu
I take it you're completely unaware of the RC rights.

Well, considering I'm not an admin, that would make a lot of sense, no?

Valder
09-21-2002, 10:02 AM
Noone's idea's will probably be taken seriously. It's been that way forever and I don't think Unixmad seesany reason to change that.

Googi
09-21-2002, 10:03 AM
Originally posted by Valder
Noone's idea's will probably be taken seriously. It's been that way forever and I don't think Unixmad seesany reason to change that.

Yeah, but it's fun to talk about anyways.

Valder
09-21-2002, 10:09 AM
Originally posted by Googi


Yeah, but it's fun to talk about anyways.

I think it gets stupid. People all have thoughts on how graal can be made better, but they all go to waste. I don't even bother anymore. I have a great storyline for the Graal GBA game and some suggestion for 2k2, but they will never be taken seriously.

Torankusu
09-21-2002, 10:11 AM
Originally posted by Googi


Well, considering I'm not an admin, that would make a lot of sense, no? the attatchment should show you.

Googi
09-21-2002, 10:11 AM
Originally posted by Valder


I think it gets stupid. People all have thoughts on how graal can be made better, but they all go to waste. I don't even bother anymore. I have a great storyline for the Graal GBA game and some suggestion for 2k2, but they will never be taken seriously.

Yeah, but other players still like to hear them.

Pith
09-21-2002, 10:13 AM
Originally posted by Valder


I think it gets stupid. People all have thoughts on how graal can be made better, but they all go to waste. I don't even bother anymore. I have a great storyline for the Graal GBA game and some suggestion for 2k2, but they will never be taken seriously.
haha they say they're gonna make gba games and ps2 games.they'll never be able to do it.if even they did do it no one will buy it

Sir_Gareth
09-21-2002, 10:16 AM
Originally posted by Pith

haha they say they're gonna make gba games and ps2 games.they'll never be able to do it.if even they did do it no one will buy it

I know, they shouldnt waste there time.

Googi
09-21-2002, 10:18 AM
Well, Graal players might.

I might, if it's good.

_0AfTeRsHoCk0_
09-21-2002, 10:43 AM
Brad, though your ideas are good natured, Unixmad, as you can see, has an agenda of his own.

Even if they make ps2 Graal, it will not bedone for a very very long time, so don't hold your breath.

Googi
09-21-2002, 10:45 AM
Eh, I don't know if making Graal 3D is such a good idea...

We already saw what happened with Graal3D...

Lyndzey
09-21-2002, 10:50 AM
Main Staff System

Owner (Unixmad and Stefan)-The job of the owner is running the servers and scripting the game. They can fire or hire anyone without going to the council and or Head GM. They have overall power.

Head Game Manager (N/A)-The job of the HGM is assisting the owners in any problems including staff issues, player issues, forum issues, etc. The HGM cannot fire or hire anyone from the council, can hire people as a global staff position with an owner’s permission, and can hire people for local staff jobs.

Gold Manager (Konidias)-The job of the GM is assisting the HGM and handling the gold servers. The GM can hire or fire anyone with a local position with the HGM or owner’s permission. The GM also supports events, handles player issues, and supports gold accounts.

Classic Manager (N/A)-The job of the CM is assisting the HGM and handling classic servers. The GM can hire or fire anyone with a local position with the HGM or owner’s permission.

Website Manager (N/A)-The job of the WM is to handle the website and the forums. This manager has no power in the game and only handles forum/website issues. The WM must update the site daily, hire moderators, etc.

Council (N/A)-The council is made up of the following people:
Head Game Manager (N/A)
Gold Manager (Konidias)
Classic Manager (N/A)
Account Manager (Lyndzey and Agelaos[?])
This is the main council composed of the highest authorities in Graal. They work together to keep themselves active and to keep themselves working. They can choose some of the lower council and keep the lower council working together and active.

Lower Council (N/A)-The council will be made up of the following people:
Someone chosen by the players (N/A)
Someone chosen by the PW Managers (N/A)
Two people chosen by the owners (N/A)
This is the lower council all chosen by certain people. These people are here to make sure that the main council keeps active. They have no power (such as RC) in the game. They are here to make sure that the council is doing their work. They also have authority over the PWT (Playerworld Team) and make sure that the PWT does their job correctly. They also report any new ideas to the main council. This council should be composed of people with bright ideas who are here to help Graal.

Playerworld Team (N/A)-The PWT will be made up of the following people:
Playerworld Administrator (N/A)
Two Playerworld Inspectors (N/A)
Two Playerworld Reviewers (N/A)
This is the playerworld team, made up of the current PW reviewers and inspectors. The PWA will check and make sure that the team is always working and is active. The playerworld inspectors will inspect current playerworlds, and if they think one should go down, they send their review to the lower council, who send it to the council, and so on. The playerworld reviewers will review playerworlds trying to get up. If they are passed as a good PW, it will go to the PWA, who then sends it to the lower council. The PWT does not have any power in the game, including warpto.

Playerworld System

All playerworlds can choose their own system, or base it off of this:

Manager (Level 1)
Administrators (Level 2)
Captains (Level 3)
Player Supporters (Level 4)
Developers (Level 5)

The manager is the complete ruler of the playerworld.
The administrators assist the manager in any problems he/she has. The administrators include LAT Admin, NAT Admin, GAT Admin, GP Admin, and so on for however the staff system works.
The captains are people who control the player supporters (GPs) and developers (LAT).
The player supporters are GPs, FAQ, or anything else that helps out the current players.
The developers are the people producing levels/NPCs/graphics for the server. They have no real power.
If a level 4 has a problem too big for him/her to handle, he/she would report it to a level 3, and so on.

If a playerworld chooses not to operate this way, that is fine, but they must create a full proof staff system so managers can concentrate more on the playerworld rather than the staff system. If the PWT does not like the staff system, they will tell the lower council what is wrong with it and their way of fixing it. If the lower council agrees, it will be sent to the council who will be able to do something about it.

AlkarenHyralt
09-21-2002, 10:54 AM
Originally posted by Lyndzey
Lyndzey's plan



Brilliance.

_0AfTeRsHoCk0_
09-21-2002, 11:05 AM
Another theoretically flawless plan. This can easily be implemented, but I don't want to see Graal go too bureaucratic. I mean, if you can hit two birds with one stone, why not do that?

Firstly, I was always under the impression that this "upper" council always exsisted, and therefore it doesn't need to be officially recognized as a body. Stefan and Unixmad would have direct control over them anyways.

Secondly, if you're going to have two council chambers, then things will get messy. Acquiring information through a third party may cause trouble and also slow the process down (bureaucracy), which is the exact same problem we have today. Thw PWA has to go through the lowr council, who goes to the upper council, who goes to the owners. It sounds a bit too much like the Politburo to me. Have the PWA report directly to this lower council, who either get Stefan or Unixmad, take actions themselves, or to the "upper" inanimate council.

See, as you can see in my paragraph above, it's still too complicated! This whole council thing Unixmad wants to impose really slows the decision making process down, but it's the best we can hope for.

Lyndzey
09-21-2002, 11:05 AM
Originally posted by Googi
Why would Lyndzey need anything besides the ability to change account details and (possibly) warpto.

The way the RC system is setup, I can have the rights, but I cannot change an account unless my world is on "all" (which it is), and my level is at 4. I was told it was lowered, and it was, so for now I am useless. When you have level4, all rights are added, even if it doesn't show up in /openrights. For example, I have 2002 even though I don't have the right.

Torankusu
09-21-2002, 11:07 AM
Originally posted by Lyndzey
The PWT does not have any power in the game, including warpto.

Why not?

And by the PWT, you mean the team other than the "PWA" (playerworld admin guy/girl), right?

Lyndzey
09-21-2002, 11:09 AM
Originally posted by Torankusu

Why not?

And by the PWT, you mean the team other than the "PWA" (playerworld admin guy/girl), right?

I wrote this in the morning so I don't really remember what I was thinking about, and I don't think I was thinking that hard ;o

Aren't you and Aftershock the only ones with warpto? PW Inspectors and PW Admin should be the ones with warpto.

Torankusu
09-21-2002, 11:09 AM
Originally posted by _0AfTeRsHoCk0_
Another theoretically flawless plan. This can easily be implemented, but I don't want to see Graal go too bureaucratic. I mean, if you can hit two birds with one stone, why not do that?

Firstly, I was always under the impression that this "upper" council always exsisted, and therefore it doesn't need to be officially recognized as a body. Stefan and Unixmad would have direct control over them anyways.

Secondly, if you're going to have two council chambers, then things will get messy. Acquiring information through a third party may cause trouble and also slow the process down (bureaucracy), which is the exact same problem we have today. Thw PWA has to go through the lowr council, who goes to the upper council, who goes to the owners. It sounds a bit too much like the Politburo to me. Have the PWA report directly to this lower council, who either get Stefan or Unixmad, take actions themselves, or to the "upper" inanimate council.

See, as you can see in my paragraph above, it's still too complicated! This whole council thing Unixmad wants to impose really slows the decision making process down, but it's the best we can hope for. That's exactly the what I was talking to Alkaren about.

AlkarenHyralt
09-21-2002, 11:10 AM
No upper council has ever existed. Basicly we did whatever we felt was correct in a situation. :/

Torankusu
09-21-2002, 11:11 AM
Originally posted by Lyndzey


I wrote this in the morning so I don't really remember what I was thinking about, and I don't think I was thinking that hard ;o

Aren't you and Aftershock the only ones with warpto? PW Inspectors and PW Admin should be the ones with warpto. The way we have it set up now is:
Aftershock and I manage the team basically, nemesis does whatever the hell it is he does.
And, the Playerworld Reviewers are also Inspectors.

Torankusu
09-21-2002, 11:12 AM
Originally posted by AlkarenHyralt
No upper council has ever existed. Basicly we did whatever we felt was correct in a situation. :/ It was quicker, wasn't it?

_0AfTeRsHoCk0_
09-21-2002, 11:38 AM
As far as I know, Torankusu and I are the only ones on the team right now, and Vermain might do the odd review. Not sure who carries out our recommendations and reviews our reports anymore now that Nemesis is gone :(

I also don't know if we're understaffed or not. Right now with this council idea pending the role of the PWA is kind of undefined. We did deal with managment problems, staff problems (with the help of Nemesis), review offline and inspect online, which is basically what the councils role is in the first place...

Valder
09-21-2002, 11:42 AM
Originally posted by _0AfTeRsHoCk0_
As far as I know, Torankusu and I are the only ones on the team right now, and Vermain might do the odd review. Not sure who carries out our recommendations and reviews our reports anymore now that Nemesis is gone :(

I also don't know if we're understaffed or not. Right now with this council idea pending the role of the PWA is kind of undefined. We did deal with managment problems, staff problems (with the help of Nemesis), review offline and inspect online, which is basically what the councils role is in the first place...

Either you or Toran should take over. I would love to be on the PWT though. That is probably the ONLY job on Graal I would take now.

Torankusu
09-21-2002, 11:44 AM
Originally posted by _0AfTeRsHoCk0_
I also don't know if we're understaffed or not. Right now with this council idea pending the role of the PWA is kind of undefined. We did deal with managment problems, staff problems (with the help of Nemesis), review offline and inspect online, which is basically what the councils role is in the first place... We were thinking about hiring Malak if it called for it.

Valder
09-21-2002, 11:45 AM
Maybe to solve the problem with people complaining about warpto on player acounts we could give the PWT seperate account that they can use for the tasks that the PWT has.

Glory
09-21-2002, 01:01 PM
Originally posted by Googi
Why would Lyndzey need anything besides the ability to change account details and (possibly) warpto.

Because only level 4 RC's can do that =\ which I think is silly.

Lyndzey
09-21-2002, 07:21 PM
I still am the Accounts Manager.
I won't be getting my RC back to fix accounts until this is all worked out. Sorry if it seemed like I told everyone I was fired, because I was confused at the time.

konidias
09-21-2002, 09:14 PM
I think Lyndzeys plan looks okay but I don't see the need for the head GM. I mean, all the GM's talk to stefan/unixmad directly, plus who is this person going to be?

I'm already handling help with support center, site stuff, forums, and gold servers.

R0b1n-NPC
09-21-2002, 09:39 PM
the site manager looks like a good job, id rather be a site manager than a mangager on graal :P

Googi
09-21-2002, 09:44 PM
Stefan/Unix needs to find a replacement for Ibonic :-\

Lyndzey
09-21-2002, 09:46 PM
Originally posted by konidias
I think Lyndzeys plan looks okay but I don't see the need for the head GM. I mean, all the GM's talk to stefan/unixmad directly, plus who is this person going to be?

I'm already handling help with support center, site stuff, forums, and gold servers.

I made this like a week ago which is why it doesn't say anything about your job yet.

I think it would be good if Stefan/unixmad hired someone who works in their office with them that is on a lot and can do head GM things. That way if an NPC server shuts down, or servers are having problems, the head GM can fix it.

konidias
09-21-2002, 09:52 PM
Originally posted by Lyndzey


I made this like a week ago which is why it doesn't say anything about your job yet.

I think it would be good if Stefan/unixmad hired someone who works in their office with them that is on a lot and can do head GM things. That way if an NPC server shuts down, or servers are having problems, the head GM can fix it.

That would be good, in theory... except nobody they hire is going to know jack diddly about Graal. :( Sure they would be directly in the office with Stefan/Unix, but the person would probably have never played Graal in their life.

Lyndzey
09-21-2002, 09:55 PM
Originally posted by konidias


That would be good, in theory... except nobody they hire is going to know jack diddly about Graal. :( Sure they would be directly in the office with Stefan/Unix, but the person would probably have never played Graal in their life.

I thought they already had some people working in their office with them. I know nao does gameboy advance, and I know there is one other global guy that plays (don't know his name though). I also remember a while ago, unixmad said something about hiring scripters and such for Graal.

Falcor
09-21-2002, 10:10 PM
I just think there needs to be a group of people going through to Support Center, weeding out the non-fixable issues, and then sending the issues to the approperate people. There also needs to be someone(s) to do some jobs that otherwise, only Unixmad or Stefan could do, because lets face it, they do too much at once, it would be nice to have some way of speeding the process along. Instant gratification is a BIG step for good PR. Right now Graals PR is really in a slum =\

Lyndzey
09-21-2002, 10:15 PM
Originally posted by Falcor
I just think there needs to be a group of people going through to Support Center, weeding out the non-fixable issues, and then sending the issues to the approperate people. There also needs to be someone(s) to do some jobs that otherwise, only Unixmad or Stefan could do, because lets face it, they do too much at once, it would be nice to have some way of speeding the process along. Instant gratification is a BIG step for good PR. Right now Graals PR is really in a slum =\

I have support center access, but that's only to bugs and general. I have gone through those for the past 2 days, and I will go through accounts when I get that access.

konidias
09-21-2002, 10:16 PM
Originally posted by Falcor
I just think there needs to be a group of people going through to Support Center, weeding out the non-fixable issues, and then sending the issues to the approperate people. There also needs to be someone(s) to do some jobs that otherwise, only Unixmad or Stefan could do, because lets face it, they do too much at once, it would be nice to have some way of speeding the process along. Instant gratification is a BIG step for good PR. Right now Graals PR is really in a slum =\

I've been working daily at the support center answering questions... But you're right, there are some that I've directed to unix that have been sitting in there like 4 days. :(

Someone in their office would be good, but yet again, the people currently there, seem to have their hands full as well. Nao is doing GBA, and I don't see her playing on Graal a lot (I see her sometimes on 2k2 but that's it)

James
09-21-2002, 10:21 PM
Originally posted by Googi
Stefan/Unix needs to find a replacement for Ibonic :-\

I'm sure they will find him soon. :D

emortylone
09-22-2002, 12:13 AM
Dude wtf, when did you get level4 RC on 2k2? When did you get RC period, and did you just check stuff and take screenshot? Plus why are you using xp! x.x
---Shifter

konidias
09-22-2002, 12:17 AM
Originally posted by emortylone
Dude wtf, when did you get level4 RC on 2k2? When did you get RC period, and did you just check stuff and take screenshot? Plus why are you using xp! x.x
---Shifter

He has global RC with warpto because he is PWA. He doesn't have all those rights, he just checked them. =P

Milkdude99
09-22-2002, 12:18 AM
Originally posted by emortylone
Dude wtf, when did you get level4 RC on 2k2? When did you get RC period, and did you just check stuff and take screenshot? Plus why are you using xp! x.x
---Shifter Couldn't you just have PM'ed this?:confused:

gloop
09-22-2002, 12:28 AM
Originally posted by DragonX2


he removed all level 4 RC's...she should get her rights back tomorrow....

she told me she had been fired

konidias
09-22-2002, 12:32 AM
Originally posted by gloop


she told me she had been fired

She hadn't been fired, even Stefan said she wasn't fired. Just because you lose your rights doesn't automatically mean you lose your job. I think people (staff mainly) are confused with that.

Lyndzey
09-22-2002, 12:38 AM
Originally posted by gloop


she told me she had been fired

Someone told me my level 4 RC was gone, so I went on Graal, and quite a few people asked me why I was fired, so I came to the conclusion that I was fired.

But I'm not, I guess I'll be back to work when this whole thing gets sorted out.

konidias
09-22-2002, 12:40 AM
Originally posted by Lyndzey


Someone told me my level 4 RC was gone, so I went on Graal, and quite a few people asked me why I was fired, so I came to the conclusion that I was fired.

But I'm not, I guess I'll be back to work when this whole thing gets sorted out.

Lyndzey, if you got fired, I would leave as well. There is no way I'm doing account management stuff too. <3

Glory
09-22-2002, 04:45 AM
Originally posted by konidias


Lyndzey, if you got fired, I would leave as well. There is no way I'm doing account management stuff too. <3
Lazy snob ;)