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AlkarenHyralt
11-20-2001, 05:50 AM
Graalains, forum members, and guest, this is my State Of The Forums address. Now, mind you all this is merely my opinion over everything that happens on the forums. I see many different things happening on the forums, most of which are familiar to me. I have seen and done many things in all my years in the message board “business” you could say. I’ve run message boards, I’ve posted on many, I’ve had modship on a few, super mod, etc. This is not my resume though, so I’ll stop there.
For almost a week I’ve been thinking about posting a kind of “State Of The Forums” thread, though really all it is, is my complete opinion, and I’ll be explaining and commenting on my different opinions in this thread. I’ll bold the topic I’ll be discussing, and underneath I’ll give my opinion. After all of that, I’ll move on to people, because I have several people I believe I should mention; remember though all of this is my opinion. Now you may hate me after this, because I think I may overstep my bounds here…if you hate me though…so be it. My goal on message boards has never been to become popular; for some reason though, I keep becoming popular. Oh well, let us begin.


The Spamming On The Forums


I spend many hours on the forums themselves (if I only spent that much time on Graal also) I see many different replies to topics, different threads etc. But it annoys me to no end to see people go to a topic and just post “yeah” to everything someone says. Spamming is a very lame thing to do, I spam also, but most of the time it is in jest, and not meant to raise my “almighty” post count.
I’ll address people’s concerns with their post count later. Right now though I’m talking about spamming. Blade50 is a good example at the moment. He’s just spamming his little heart out to raise his post count by replying to every topic with some stupid post, if it can even be considered that. The kind of posts he makes he might as well reply with just a single letter rather then “words” if things like “thx” and such can be counted as words. Spamming gets you nothing besides a raise in post count, and then half the time you lose all of that because a mod deletes the thread. There goes all of those “meaningful” posts, oh no! “What shall happen since my post count has been lowered? I will call the mods corrupt because they deleted my thread!” Do you not see the idiocy there? The mods are doing there job and keeping spam off the forums, because spam can ruin the overall fun of a message board, therefore here are what I purpose should happen regarding spamming:


Create a forum where you can spam all you won't, but it doesn't raise your post count.
If you spam outside of the forum, you are given 5 warnings... but these must be pure spam topics, like replying with the spam smilie, or just go "yeah" several times for no reason.
After 5 warnings you get a 1-week ban.
If you continue to spam you get banned until an admin decides to unban you.


All The Corruption Threads On The Forums


These kinds of threads are some of the silliest kinds of threads on the forums. Barely a day can go by without me seeing someone who claims they were unjustly banned, or wrongfully jailed, etc. There is a very famous saying that goes “Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely.” It’s a very true statement; power tends to corrupt, but just because you have power doesn’t mean you will become corrupt. Because some people, do not become corrupt. Granted there have been some worthwhile threads where there actually is true corruption, but when someone is whining on and one about how they were unjustly banned from a PW, then it becomes stupid.
If you are banned, take it up with the person who banned you, because there is always a reason. If you somehow pissed them off, deal with it and wait the ban out. Calling them corrupt and insulting them and their player-world on the forums will NOT get you unbanned any quicker. Whining only shows you are immature, and no server owner wants an immature player on their server. So just privately take it up with them, and calmly see why you are banned don’t IM/PM saying “U SUX! U R CURRUPT! STEFAN SHULD TAKE DOWN UR PW!” This will never help your case.
Maturity, and respect is everything. Remember that well, or else you may be banned for a long time. If someone was saying I suck and I’m corrupt I wouldn’t lift a ban on them, would you?Therefore, here are my suggestions for what should happen:


Corruption threads should be banned, for forever.



The Flaming And Insults I See On the Forums


No message board is ever flame free, ever. It’s just not humanly possible. Remember that people young and old view the forums, and if they see it’s nothing but insults are they going to want to post there? No, they will not. They’ll go somewhere else where they don’t have to listen to constant bickering. They’ll go somewhere else were people won’t spam their topic to death, and then because of the spamming and people laughing at them saying they suck the whole topic is then lost.
How many people do you know want to come to a message board and be treated like absolute ****? Do you want to be treated like nothing but garbage whenever you try to give your views, or ideas? How about when you ask a question, do you want people to laugh at you call you a “n00b”, or an idiot, or both? No, no one wants that yet people continue to act like this. This is what causes newer members to claim they have been playing Graal for a long time. That’s something else I’ll address later in this thread.
Anyways, the mods try to keep the forums as flame free as possible people don’t seem to realize that. Here is an example: Today a new member to the forums asked a simple question, which was “Do you get a free hat if you make one?”. This is a common question and you think people would reply to it with a “no”. Instead, one member posts this instead as a reply

stop making these pointless threads today mustbe **** retarded thread day too

This is what I am talking about. Someone completely new to the forums is almost immediately treated like an idiot who does know anything at all. Do some of you find this enjoyable, is this the correct thing to do now on the forums, to insult anyone who doesn’t know something? Did the rules change to “If someone asks a question you deem is stupid, you may insult them to no end, laugh at them, call them a noob, and then ignore them because you are better then them because you know the answer, whereas they do not”?
If this is what has happened, then you all might as well consider me gone, because I will not stay where such folly is present. How many people must it take to leave Graal and the forums for you to awaken from this blindness? When will you realize it? Hopefully soon, because I would rather not have to leave right now because I would have no other place to visit. I insult people myself, but I try very hard to give reasons why I am insulting them. I guess in a sense I do “logical insulting”.
Suggested rules for the insults and flaming:


The flaming needs to stop, or at least try to stop. No one is here just to get their ass chewed out by someone who thinks they're better then them because they started earlier.
SHOW SOME RESPECT FOR PEOPLE!
Do not go off and insult/flame someone simply because they do not know the answer to a question.
The people who continuously flame others when asked to stop get a 1-week ban.
After the 1-week ban the person continues to flame they are banned until an admin decided to lift the ban.

AlkarenHyralt
11-20-2001, 05:51 AM
People’s Obsession Over How Many Posts they Have

Post count means nothing at all. Plain and simple, it doesn’t give you more power, it doesn’t gain you more respect. N-O-T-H-I-N-G is what post count means, yet people spam like crazy to raise this post count, why? For a silly little avatar or a custom title, is it that important to get either one of those? Those two things right there are the reason I believe there is so much spamming now. Because people are trying to out-do each other in posts and post-per-day. Yes, this magical post count is what you very existence is based upon. “Oh look! The Top 15 Posters! I must spam with my mad skillz to be in there with the high poster people! I’ll be kewl then!” This is what I think goes on in a spammer’s mind. I have a little over 3,000 posts, do I deserve more respect because of that? Am I better then newer posters or people who don’t post a lot? If that is the case, then I should command more respect then Stefan or Unixmad or Galen; see how silly that kind of thinking is? I’ll repeat again, post count means absolutely nothing. It gains you nothings, besides a small picture under your name and/or a small bit of text under your name. People’s obsession almost wants me to try and get a mass prune of most topics and then get someone to do Update Counters.

The Attitude To New Players/Members on the Forums

The general attitude to a new player of Graal is to laugh at them, and how confused they might be. Not everyone does this, but enough people do to become a stereotype. The general new member to the forums is usually treated the same way, only because they ask a question that is a commonly ask questioned. Let’s say someone new to Newmain asked how they mined, a general amount of people would laugh at them, rather then answer their question. People without upgraded account read the forums and see this sort of things, so when they upgrade one of the first things they do is claim that they have been playing Graal for a very long time, thinking that this will immediately get them the utmost respect and people will not laugh or make fun of them. “Respect is earned, not given.” That is the way I like to think, playing Graal for a long time does not earn you my respect. Still, people believe that
Playing Graal Longer Then Others = More Respect. Better and far more intelligent then the newer player. And other such egotistical things.

Well, I’ll just come right out and say this. I started in version 2.1. In that sense I am an utter “newbie”, does your opinion of me change now? Hopefully not, but if it does that does nothing but sadden me. If people are judged by the version number they started in then I see no reason to continue coming to the forums, that’s just about flat out…I’d say versionism, but such a word does not exist, but hopefully you understand what I mean. This manner of thinking needs to be changed, because with so many people claiming they’ve been playing since the beginning, or back when Graal was Zelda Online, there are almost no new members.

Now I’ll end this with a summary of my suggestions and my suggested rules. Some I covered some I did not.


My suggestions:


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I should be given access to the scripts, or Unixmad need sot go and fix the ModCP and the faulty PHP elsewhere in the scripts.
I should be given adminship on the forums
Vermain should be given adminship on the forums
Kamuii should be given super modship
A spam forums needs to be created, but post count doesn't rise when posting in it.
A help forums should be created to clear up some clutter of the General Graal Forum
The flaming needs to stop, or at least try to stop. No one is here just to get their ass chewed out by someone who thinks they're better then them because they started earlier.
Please people set an example, and show some respect for people. :(
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Suggested rules:


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Corruption Threads should be outlawed
If a person spams 5 times outside of the spam forum they are given a 1-week ban
If a person continues to spam after the ban they are banned until an admin decided to unban them.
Do not go off and insult/flame someone simply because they do not know the answer to a question.
The people who continuously flame others when asked to stop get a 1-week ban.
After the 1-week ban the person continues to flame they are banned until an admin decided to lift the ban.
If you post porn on the forums, or if you change an image you are hosting to porn then you will be banned forever from the forums. Actually, you'll be IP banned, forever.
Harassment of any kind will NOT be tolerated and will result in a ban.
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Jerom
11-20-2001, 05:52 AM
zZzZzZzZz... :asleep:
*wakes up* WHAT??!! The answer is A! oh... I mean... the answer is not of what you question it to be... yes, mm hmm, thats what it is. *looks around* *thinks to self* I'm not at school...

Torankusu_2002
11-20-2001, 05:53 AM
if (strcontains(#thread,corrupt) || strequals(#thread,stupid complaint)) {ban.user;}

Chrismas
11-20-2001, 05:53 AM
yes sir.
*walks off*

RamiAharonov
11-20-2001, 05:55 AM
im not reading all that

Metal-Slug
11-20-2001, 05:55 AM
wow, waaaaaaaaaaay too much time on your hands, if you want a mod job, just beg someone to quit and take their spot :)

Jerom
11-20-2001, 05:56 AM
Originally posted by Metal-Slug
wow, waaaaaaaaaaay too much time on your hands, if you want a mod job, just beg someone to quit and take their spot :)
Patience plays a good role in the world of waiting ;)

JinZero
11-20-2001, 05:56 AM
Too Long :(

Metal-Slug
11-20-2001, 05:57 AM
Originally posted by Jerom

Patience plays a good role in the world of waiting ;)

judging by the length of his post, he has no patience(sp?)

JinZero
11-20-2001, 05:57 AM
Originally posted by AlkarenHyralt
[b]A help forums should be created to clear up some clutter of the General Graal Forum
b]
I suggested that a long time ago, and Stefan said he would talk to Unixmad about adding it, but I guess he never got around to it :(

Jerom
11-20-2001, 05:58 AM
Originally posted by Metal-Slug


judging by the length of his post, he has no patience(sp?)
no, he's just very desprit, thats all.
He's wanting a voluntary job in which he will not be rewarded anything, and he will have to put up with people's bad attitudes whenever he is doing his job. THAT... is motivation.

AlkarenHyralt
11-20-2001, 06:00 AM
Originally posted by JinZero

I suggested that a long time ago, and Stefan said he would talk to Unixmad about adding it, but I guess he never got around to it :(

Yeah, I know it was suggested long ago, and I think it's a good idea. I'm just bringing it up again.

Faheria_LAT1
11-20-2001, 06:03 AM
Good ideas you have there, let's hope Unixmad or someone that can do something.. well. actually does something o_O

Jerom
11-20-2001, 06:03 AM
Help Forum + more specified forums = No Purpose for the Main Forum

Think about it... if there was a help forum, then yes... there would be less threads in the main forum. If there were a complaint forum, there would be even less threads in the main forum... Just those two topics, takes away more than half of what the Main forum is all about(dont say it isn't, because you know those threads you read every day are).
Main forum... the blended in version of FAQ and Opinion. *makes peace sign*

AlkarenHyralt
11-20-2001, 06:03 AM
Originally posted by Jerom

no, he's just very desprit, thats all.
He's wanting a voluntary job in which he will not be rewarded anything, and he will have to put up with people's bad attitudes whenever he is doing his job. THAT... is motivation.

I'm not desperate at all. I'm frustrated about how I have to sit back and watch the forums turn to ruin. I decided I would take some action and I hoped this thread would get people to see what is happening to the forums. I know it is long, but I had a lot to say. I'm sorry I had to put it into so many words, and two posts.

Torankusu_2002
11-20-2001, 06:06 AM
and unmask my Torankusu account

_0AfTeRsHoCk0_
11-20-2001, 06:10 AM
The Alkaren Manifesto ;)

AlkarenHyralt
11-20-2001, 06:12 AM
Originally posted by Torankusu_2002
and unmask my Torankusu account

Yes, sorry. I forgot. :(


Unmask Toran's Forum Account
Unban Icehawk's Account
Unban/unmask everyone else who's ban time is long over.

Faheria_LAT1
11-20-2001, 06:19 AM
Originally posted by AlkarenHyralt


Yes, sorry. I forgot. :(


Unmask Toran's Forum Account
Unban Icehawk's Account
Unban/unmask everyone else who's ban time is long over.


I don't even know how long i'm supposed to be banned for posting "teh likn"

AlkarenHyralt
11-20-2001, 06:59 AM
Originally posted by Faheria_LAT1


I don't even know how long i'm supposed to be banned for posting "teh likn"

A lot of people are still banned, when they shouldn't be. I can't believe I forgot to mention it. :(

Torankusu_2002
11-20-2001, 07:02 AM
SSj GOkuhan x 100SSJ (11/19/01 5:41:07 PM):
Do what?
screenshot (11/19/01 5:40:49 PM):
hmmm yes i should do it
SSj GOkuhan x 100SSJ (11/19/01 5:33:26 PM):
i will pay loads of gralats
to have my Torankusu
forum account unmasked. ;(
Or just a reason as to why
it was masked. ;((

omy. (BOTTOM 2 TOP)

Domini
11-20-2001, 07:05 AM
You make so much sense, it's scary.

oh, and unban mmmkay's account too, because Raven Chill's got unbanned and his did not.

Blade50
11-20-2001, 07:06 AM
okewl thx 4 making assumptionz u rely wood make a gud prezident of teh forumz since al good preisdents maek stupid asumptoins

Domini
11-20-2001, 07:08 AM
Originally posted by Blade50
okewl thx 4 making assumptionz u rely wood make a gud prezident of teh forumz since al good preisdents maek stupid asumptoins .....?

TrueHeaT
11-20-2001, 07:10 AM
umm i sign it. also unixmad fix the freaking mod control :|

AlkarenHyralt
11-20-2001, 07:12 AM
Originally posted by Domini
You make so much sense, it's scary.

oh, and unban mmmkay's account too, because Raven Chill's got unbanned and his did not.

I have no power to though. :(

AlkarenHyralt
11-20-2001, 07:14 AM
Originally posted by Blade50
okewl thx 4 making assumptionz u rely wood make a gud prezident of teh forumz since al good preisdents maek stupid asumptoins

I made 1 assumption on your part. No reason to get so offended.

Juron Pilo
11-20-2001, 07:36 AM
My only complaint is that your ideas are bland and uncreative. You can flesh alot of those out more and put in specific exceptions. I personnally think that sometimes staff members ignore any complaints against ithemselves and that is why we always need to post about it on the board... so everyone knows about the injustice since the admins are unwilling to check themselves(doesn't mention any names)

FatherDante
11-20-2001, 07:48 AM
It's nothing that hasn't been said before but not all at once. -.-

Including the "I should be admin and so-and-so should..."

Jerom
11-20-2001, 07:49 AM
Originally posted by AlkarenHyralt


Yes, sorry. I forgot. :(


Unmask Toran's Forum Account
Unban Icehawk's Account
Unban/unmask everyone else who's ban time is long over.


Ban Jerom's account if it already hasn't already expired.

Zulithe
11-20-2001, 09:24 AM
No. You want to introduce too many new rules and policies, and add a lot of new admins that are not needed. A help thread is not all that needed, people can post their questions in the GENERAL forum. You complain about Spam, yet you want to make this forums biggest spammer a super mod.

Your ideas, if put into play, would result in far more bans than are necessary. People want to express their thoughts about the admins and corruption, and they should be able to. They might even be right!

Blade50 is an isolated case (of spam). If the Mod options were working correctly, he would be warned and, if he didn't stop, later banned. That is pretty much how it has gone in the past, so that whole area of "new ideas" or whatever is pretty irrelevant.

As for the flames thing, it can get out of hand, but a lot of the people coming to this forum ARE children, and they will act as such. So, childish flaming will probably always be a big problem here, banning some of the worst flamers might help but only as a last resort. Flaming is probably our biggest problem.

Post counts, here is a simple way to help reduce the obsession over this. Remove the post count from being displayed on posts (but still viewable from the members area of the forum) We can see if that will help, which I think it will. If it's still very bad, we can think about another solution.

The version number "wars", isn't that bad anymore. I don't see people talking about this very much, how is it a problem? So what, if they want to lie, let them lie, nobody is going to believe them half the time anyway. And if you do, you shouldn't.

And your summary... all I have to say is, I'm glad you are not in a position of authority around here.

FatherDante
11-20-2001, 09:33 AM
I try to be nice about it but I thnk Zulithe is right on the bullseye.

Spyder5782
11-20-2001, 09:39 AM
Originally posted by AlkarenHyralt
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I remember when you were new and had no posts. you used to spam quite a bit. but i do agree with most of what you said. Except why bother making a spam forum, because i doubt it will be used. The banning idea seems good though.

haromaru
11-20-2001, 09:54 AM
Zulithe said this about Tron:
<snip>

You have a point.

It's kind of odd, without any rules, it seems to run fine, but with rules, it seems to go kind of all crazy loopy.

Therefore, I propose we just stick to the old general rules, delete spam, and close flame wars.

Does that sound good?

Ramirez_the_Silvite
11-20-2001, 10:06 AM
Corruption threads should be allowed, because sometimes it's needed, say guy1 is unfairly banned/jailed/whatever, and he forumpms guy2 (jailer/banner/whatever), guy1 gets no response, guy1 forumpms Stefan, gets no response, guy1's only choice is to post on the forums.
I think that all we need to do to fix spam is to make it where post count doesn't matter as to whether or not you can have an avatar and a title, everyone should automatically be able to have those. I know that because of post count saying whether you can/cannot have an avatar and title, I spam whenever I can, as long as it's not evident I'm spamming.
And...
wait..
I ran out of things to say;)

Providence_Admin2
11-20-2001, 10:09 AM
I like Alkaren's ideas. Especially him becoming an administrator, as we would finally have our millions of PHP flaws fixed, along with the modcp.

AlkarenHyralt
11-20-2001, 12:27 PM
Originally posted by Juron Pilo
My only complaint is that your ideas are bland and uncreative. You can flesh alot of those out more and put in specific exceptions. I personnally think that sometimes staff members ignore any complaints against ithemselves and that is why we always need to post about it on the board... so everyone knows about the injustice since the admins are unwilling to check themselves(doesn't mention any names)

I'll address several posts, just to count down on the number of posts in the topic:

I wanted to see how well the thread would go over before I went into detail over everything. These were just some ideas I had and wanted to put into words. Those ideas are not polished, nor tweaked nor anything else. They are simply a rough draft, you might say. I would gladly go back and polish all the things up nice and neatly and put in exceptions and such if you'd perfer me to.
The corruption threads are needed sometimes I agree, but they are slowly getting out of hand. Even with the threads being psoted, most of the time it makes no difference. Remember the whole Fire Peach thing? I don't recall it working, though granted it wasn't exactly about the same kind of thing some of the corruption threads are about.



Originally posted by FatherDante
It's nothing that hasn't been said before but not all at once. -.-

Including the "I should be admin and so-and-so should..."

The adminship on the forums is both wanted/needed for different reasons.

Reasons for wanting:

I want to have the power to try and fix the forums up. What I posted would not exactly be what I would do. As I said, the whole thing is basicly just a rough draft. Running a message board is not a sole, one-man job; you listen to the users of the message board, and you listen to your mods. Going off and doing everything the second it comes into your head will only make your message board fail, in the end.


Reasons for needing:

Adminship is needed to have access to the AdminCP, where changes and other things can be done so correct the errors of the PHP coding, and to make sure the ModCP works completely, among other things.

AlkarenHyralt
11-20-2001, 12:47 PM
Originally posted by Zulithe
No. You want to introduce too many new rules and policies, and add a lot of new admins that are not needed. A help thread is not all that needed, people can post their questions in the GENERAL forum. You complain about Spam, yet you want to make this forums biggest spammer a super mod.


As I said in my earlier post, it's a rough draft in terms of everything, and also as I said I'll be glad to fix and polish it up for you to make things more clear. Now that it's written I have a slight bit of ease and can read it and find mistakes and where there are bad ideas.

Kamuii does spam, yes, but look at all the non-spam posts he makes. They are very intelligent, very sensable (sp) posts. Sometimes the good out-weighs the bad.

Your ideas, if put into play, would result in far more bans than are necessary. People want to express their thoughts about the admins and corruption, and they should be able to. They might even be right!

People have a right to complain, yes, but does this right extend to the point of childish name calling and going and insulting them personally, (and if they own a server) attack their server? Since when is it their right to attack someone at all, simply because they feel something is corrupt?

Blade50 is an isolated case (of spam). If the Mod options were working correctly, he would be warned and, if he didn't stop, later banned. That is pretty much how it has gone in the past, so that whole area of "new ideas" or whatever is pretty irrelevant.

I can't argue you with it there, I just want to try and cut down on all the spam in the genral forums, hence my idea of a spam forum.

As for the flames thing, it can get out of hand, but a lot of the people coming to this forum ARE children, and they will act as such. So, childish flaming will probably always be a big problem here, banning some of the worst flamers might help but only as a last resort. Flaming is probably our biggest problem.

So being a child is an excuse for flaming and insulting someone? That just gives people an excuse to flame, and excuses will not help the flaming in any way. Since you claim the majority of people coming to the forums are children, and they will act like a child, I should treat every single new member to the forums as a child? Should my posts be ruled by your stereotype?

Post counts, here is a simple way to help reduce the obsession over this. Remove the post count from being displayed on posts (but still viewable from the members area of the forum) We can see if that will help, which I think it will. If it's still very bad, we can think about another solution.

I'm confused, are you saying post count matters or are you simply opening your comment with "Post counts, here is..." to clarifiy what you are talking about?

The version number "wars", isn't that bad anymore. I don't see people talking about this very much, how is it a problem? So what, if they want to lie, let them lie, nobody is going to believe them half the time anyway. And if you do, you shouldn't.

But if it wasn't for those version wars or whatever people would need to lie in the first place; the thought wouldn't cross their mind. I'm not saying really that's it's very bad now, but still over half the time, the new member of the forums will claim they have been playing Graal for a while.

And your summary... all I have to say is, I'm glad you are not in a position of authority around here.

As I said, it's a rough draft.

Providence_Admin3
11-20-2001, 01:22 PM
Originally posted by AlkarenHyralt
-alkaren's rant here-



Amen, Alkaren, Amen.

I know I haven't been the... *cough* friendliest person on the forums lately... no, scratch that, I haven't been the friendliest person PERIOD. I've been overly rude and obnoxious to people, and I really think I should change that. I'll try my hardest not to lash out at people from now on. Really.

However, this goes both ways. People like The Game think it's quite fun and amusing to insult everyone and everything. If I or anyone else (moreso I, considering he has some sort of premature grudge on me. I like to call it a "personal vendetta.") makes a thread apologizing to people for the actions prior to creating the topic, he immediately shoots it down and calls it "dumb," including the "word" gah at least once. If someone wants to tell people something, it should NOT be considered dumb. Believe it or not, it takes a lot of will power to realize when you're wrong and admit to it. When people do this, they should be commended, not shot down. And I am not just speaking for myself, I'm speaking for everyone who has ever done this.

Furthermore.

Now it has evolved into hypocracy. People (The Game is a prime example) feels the need to insult not just the apology threads, but every one a person makes (yes, I know I am talking about myself, but I HAVE seen others who have recieved this treatment). When other people make threads, people like this do not say anything about them. It is usually targeted at one specific person.

If people want to make the forums a better place, we need to start by putting an end to this utter idiocy. No one is forcing me to read these forums, I can agree to that, but if one or two, even three people are ruining it for everyone, it needs to STOP.

I know for a fact that The Game is going to reply to this post with something along the lines of "gah, you're dumb," "gah, you should be banned," "gah, no one cares," or "gah, you're a hypocrite." That's expected. I think he needs to learn that I could not care less about what he thinks, although I really do not appreciate being shot down with every post I make. I am not quite sure what went wrong between the two of us. Maybe he just woke up one morning and realized that I just wasn't smart enough to be his friend. Whatever the case may be, it is irrelevent now. What IS relevent is that Alkaren is right.

I think these forums are in a state of chaos, and this needs to CHANGE. If we all got our acts together, everything might be somewhat normal again.

Thanks.

FatherDante
11-20-2001, 09:46 PM
Childish insults are already against the rules. Flaming is already against the rules. This offers nothing new but unnecessary power- Stefan specifically said that he does not want this message board to have other administrators.

There is no chaos and little could be done to change the current state, even if a bunch of fancy rules were put in place. :o

Shorty2Dope
11-20-2001, 10:32 PM
Originally posted by AlkarenHyralt
everything he wrote

I agree with everything your saying. Also my suggestion to rid the spam and post count.. Let people have avatars and what not with out having a special amount of post. That reason alone gets people spamming more just to get a little picture and text. Most forums i see like that have very little spamming. If there is they delete it or throw it into a spam forum which nobody can post in, just read.

James
11-20-2001, 10:42 PM
I think Alkaren should have administrator access for obvious reasons.

Shorty2Dope
11-20-2001, 10:46 PM
Originally posted by James
I think Alkaren should have administrator access for obvious reasons.

I agree, I have been admin on many forums and different game servers.. (owned my own server also) I think he should be Mod for sure.. I like his attitude, except I'm a bit worse with people.. its a privledge to play on the servers and post on the forums.. people will learn to be nice and follow the rules or go else were..

Zulithe
11-20-2001, 11:36 PM
Unix will get around to fixing the forums eventually, what reason does he have to trust you to do it?

Shorty2Dope
11-21-2001, 12:13 AM
Originally posted by Zulithe
Unix will get around to fixing the forums eventually, what reason does he have to trust you to do it?

maybe because he is dedicated to helping the forums and is not as busy as unixmad? :eek:

Faheria_LAT3
11-21-2001, 12:21 AM
Why do people keep posting things like this? They are right but it's the same exact thing other people say just in different words, and no one even listens because they are idiots. :(

AlkarenHyralt
11-21-2001, 12:36 AM
Originally posted by Zulithe
Unix will get around to fixing the forums eventually, what reason does he have to trust you to do it?


Unixmad's sense of time is very..distorted; eventually could mean anytime in the next 6 months, if not longer. The ModCP has been broken for a month now, and the forums keep spitting out php and MySQL errors. Unixmad is busy with the upkeep of the servers and other behind-the-scenes things. I can not give a good reason why they should trust me, it is up to them to decide if they trust and if they do for what reason/s.

Jerom
11-21-2001, 12:42 AM
I say we all become like Pikmin and run around and beat up bugs and like be nice OKES?
PS: I gots dah flu so I am sick and I am at home and my head feels bad so dont yell things

Jerom
11-21-2001, 12:43 AM
Originally posted by AlkarenHyralt



Unixmad's sense of time is very..distorted; eventually could mean anytime in the next 6 months, if not longer. The ModCP has been broken for a month now, and the forums keep spitting out php and MySQL errors. Unixmad is busy with the upkeep of the servers and other behind-the-scenes things. I can not give a good reason why they should trust me, it is up to them to decide if they trust and if they do for what reason/s.
Well, you can never trust anyone online ;) What happens when WE ALL FIND OUT YORUS A HOMICIDAL CEREAL KLIIER WHO RAPES LITTLE BOYTS !! *And girls but mostly just boys*

AlkarenHyralt
11-21-2001, 12:47 AM
Originally posted by Jerom

Well, you can never trust anyone online ;) What happens when WE ALL FIND OUT YORUS A HOMICIDAL CEREAL KLIIER WHO RAPES LITTLE BOYTS !! *And girls but mostly just boys*

Hey now, my name is Alkaren Hyralt, not Michael Jackson.

Jerom
11-21-2001, 12:48 AM
Originally posted by AlkarenHyralt


Hey now, my name is Alkaren Hyralt, not Michael Jackson.

Sorry I think I had toomuch cough syrup -_-