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cheesemanfred
12-05-2011, 06:11 AM
Send in your apps to [email protected]
Use the template attached.
Don't apply if you can't search logs.
Deadline is 12/12.

Fulg0reSama
12-05-2011, 06:22 AM
You should have a mention of "Funniest Answer from Applicants" from about 10-20 applicants.

I would love to see this.

Reese
12-05-2011, 07:17 AM
Is it just me or is there no logs in that application?




lol do I even bother applying?

DarkRenji
12-05-2011, 07:20 AM
Good luck all who apply.

Logababy
12-05-2011, 11:05 AM
Yeah there aren't any logs :(

LightDamage
12-05-2011, 07:08 PM
Send in your apps to [email protected]
Use the template attached.
Don't apply if you can't search logs.
Deadline is 12/12.

Can you add a .txt document, my computer can't open .pdf.
Thankyou

iBreez
12-05-2011, 09:42 PM
Can you add a .txt document, my computer can't open .pdf.
Thankyou

Download Adobe Acrobat :D

Fulg0reSama
12-05-2011, 09:53 PM
Download Adobe Acrobat :D

or if it somehow doesn't work, Foxit Reader.

RogueShatterblade
12-05-2011, 10:09 PM
where's the megalolz log test?

WillaWonka
12-05-2011, 10:20 PM
I had fun with those logs awhile ago in past PR apps. lol.

cheesemanfred
12-05-2011, 10:41 PM
I meant to take the log part out, there are no logs to do, but don't apply if you can't do logs, because I'll just fire you when I find out you don't know how.

RogueShatterblade
12-05-2011, 10:58 PM
I meant to take the log part out, there are no logs to do, but don't apply if you can't do logs, because I'll just fire you when I find out you don't know how.
i'll hire an assistant PR to log for me, no worries.

cbk1994
12-05-2011, 11:10 PM
Can you add a .txt document, my computer can't open .pdf.
Thankyou

http://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http%3A%2F%2Fforums.graalonline.com%2Ff orums%2Fattachment.php%3Fattachmentid%3D54057%26d% 3D1323058222

WillaWonka
12-05-2011, 11:35 PM
I meant to take the log part out, there are no logs to do, but don't apply if you can't do logs, because I'll just fire you when I find out you don't know how.

Don't be afraid if someone read this and then thinks logs are hard, it's just like connect-the-dots, with words, and a buncha times and loads of paths you have to tie together to make sense. (If it was a scam and the items were traded a lot.)

:D

Reese
12-06-2011, 01:18 AM
Watch out everyone I'm back in town :p ;)

Supaman771
12-06-2011, 02:06 AM
Good luck to all who apply.

cheesemanfred
12-06-2011, 07:41 PM
Don't go to chris vimes's link, it's a virus.

NicoX
12-06-2011, 09:51 PM
What is so hard to read logs? Rofl.
Good luck for the Applicants.

ScarKnight
12-08-2011, 03:38 PM
Goodluck Everyone! :)

LordSquirt
12-08-2011, 04:44 PM
I meant to take the log part out, there are no logs to do, but don't apply if you can't do logs, because I'll just fire you when I find out you don't know how.

What kind of approach is that? If someone doesn't know how to read the logs why don't you just teach them..

Scoper
12-08-2011, 05:23 PM
What kind of approach is that? If someone doesn't know how to read the logs why don't you just teach them..

Guess they're just looking for an easier time, which is understandable. Lots of people have seen logs before (especially since the last PR app had logs for you to practice with)

Logababy
12-10-2011, 03:38 AM
Don't go to chris vimes's link, it's a virus.

not a virus?

cheesemanfred
12-11-2011, 08:39 PM
What kind of approach is that? If someone doesn't know how to read the logs why don't you just teach them..

Because I'm lazy and I can spend my time much more efficiently if I don't have to teach someone how to do logs.

NicoX
12-11-2011, 08:59 PM
Because I'm lazy and I can spend my time much more efficiently if I don't have to teach someone how to do logs.

Omg...You are PR Admin thats ur Job to teach new PRs stuff to do. I mean how long it could take to show someone how to read logs? 10-20 min?
When you are lazy you should quit ur Job and let someone else handle it. Seriously. Give everybody the same chance.

Scoper
12-11-2011, 09:13 PM
Omg...You are PR Admin thats ur Job to teach new PRs stuff to do. I mean how long it could take to show someone how to read logs? 10-20 min?
When you are lazy you should quit ur Job and let someone else handle it. Seriously. Give everybody the same chance.

I think a good solution would be creating a mini-tutorial on how to read logs c: then everyone can learn how

I'll try and get some volunteers and Alf's permission and work on one

NicoX
12-11-2011, 09:40 PM
I think a good solution would be creating a mini-tutorial on how to read logs c: then everyone can learn how

I'll try and get some volunteers and Alf's permission and work on one

Why a Tutorial? Just spend an hour and teach it to the new PRs, so easy. What else is the PR Admin doing on Era ?

fowlplay4
12-11-2011, 09:55 PM
Because I'm lazy and I can spend my time much more efficiently if I don't have to teach someone how to do logs.

You shouldn't be PR Admin if you believe training your staff is a waste of time.

Crow
12-11-2011, 10:24 PM
Because I'm lazy and I can spend my time much more efficiently if I don't have to teach someone how to do logs.

You're PR Admin? And I thought Era had bad staff members before. I would totally fire you.

BlueMelon
12-11-2011, 10:34 PM
Logs can't be THAT hard to read can they? Requirements to read them: English + Logic?
Like shiit its not Hex encoded or anything.

Crow
12-11-2011, 10:38 PM
Logs can't be THAT hard to read can they? Requirements to read them: English + Logic?
Like shiit its not Hex encoded or anything.

It's not something the typical Graal user ever does, though. Many are not familiar with things like these, but would make a great addition to the team if some ****head on top wouldn't be too lazy to teach them.

DarkRenji
12-11-2011, 10:51 PM
Logs can't be THAT hard to read can they? Requirements to read them: English + Logic?
Like shiit its not Hex encoded or anything.

It's not hard to learn, that's why the PRA /GPA should take a little bit of time to teach his trainee's the basics... :cool:

BlueMelon
12-11-2011, 11:10 PM
It's not hard to learn, that's why the PRA /GPA should take a little bit of time to teach his trainee's the basics... :cool:




Exactly, instead of idling on top of buildings :o

papajchris
12-11-2011, 11:21 PM
Logs can't be THAT hard to read can they? Requirements to read them: English + Logic?
Like shiit its not Hex encoded or anything.

Reading one log isn't hard. What makes them hard is how poorly they are done in some areas. For example, many of the logs are in different timezones. Furthermore, some things don't even report logs. So it may look like a player spawned a ton of stuff when they really didn't. I still mistakes (just ask moondeath). It takes a lot of "thinking outside the box" to match information together. For people like myself, this can be fun, trying to solving what seems impossible.

BlueMelon
12-11-2011, 11:35 PM
Reading one log isn't hard. What makes them hard is how poorly they are done in some areas. For example, many of the logs are in different timezones. Furthermore, some things don't even report logs. So it may look like a player spawned a ton of stuff when they really didn't. I still mistakes (just ask moondeath). It takes a lot of "thinking outside the box" to match information together. For people like myself, this can be fun, trying to solving what seems impossible.

Logs are created by scripts, it would be simply editing the script to fix the time zone issue..
Also, for what needs logs, create them?

Crow
12-11-2011, 11:41 PM
For example, many of the logs are in different timezones.

Since most (all?) of them are being created using savelogs2(), this isn't even possible.

papajchris
12-12-2011, 12:09 AM
Since most (all?) of them are being created using savelogs2(), this isn't even possible.

Then explain to me why the log times don't match up bro. In this example, the logs are only off by 33 minutes. Sometimes they are off by a day. (Or the issue arises close to midnight, and thus when searching for a specific log, the day might be wrong).

Time: Sat Apr 30 20:13:46 2011
items: "Tommy Gun", from ducklegion to papajchris

Time: Saturday Apr 30 2011 @ 08:43:02 PM
items: "Tommy Gun", from ducklegion to papajchris

Time: Saturday Apr 30 2011 @ 08:43:02 PM
+Added Item Tommy Gun x 1 in era_duel-newmain.nw 37 11

And let's not even get started with logs that sometimes don't even show up. I've been looking at logs since 2009(?) on Era, I have no need to lie.

Logs are created by scripts, it would be simply editing the script to fix the time zone issue..
Also, for what needs logs, create them?
I agree!

NicoX
12-12-2011, 12:18 AM
Aren't the Logtimes the same like the Server Time though? Just wondering now.

papajchris
12-12-2011, 12:27 AM
Aren't the Logtimes the same like the Server Time though? Just wondering now.

At 5:26 PM Est Time, 23:25 Servertime, It said this when i picked up an item I dropped to test the timing:

Time: Sunday Dec 11 2011 @ 11:54:38 PM
papajchris took item: Rocks x 1 (papajchris) in era_grc-c.nw on (27,24)

However, the general log did show servertime:

Time: Sun Dec 11 23:25:21 2011
papajchris laid item: Rocks x 1 in era_grc-c.nw on (27, 24)
*Notice it says "Laid" item and not "took?" For whatever reason the, the "took" log wasn't recorded.

So maybe someone can enlighten us on what time that is following.

So in this example I have to deal with 3 different times. Mine, the servertime, and whatever random time the logs choose to be in.

Crow
12-12-2011, 12:37 AM
Those are different logs, then. Logs generated using savelogs2() only use one format for timestamps. Since one log has the name of the day written out, though, and the other one has it shortened, one of them was not generated with savelogs2().

papajchris
12-12-2011, 12:42 AM
Those are different logs, then. Logs generated using savelogs2() only use one format for timestamps. Since one log has the name of the day written out, though, and the other one has it shortened, one of them was not generated with savelogs2().

I shall investigate then

cbk1994
12-12-2011, 12:48 AM
I shall investigate then

Some logs are using custom logging functions I added a while back. We did this so that we could have them auto-rename themselves when they reached a certain size. iirc it's only for player-specific logs, not for big ones. The ones in logs/ are all using the standard format. The new ones are in players/ or something like that.

NicoX
12-12-2011, 01:10 AM
Well still you should let everyone apply. Even the ones who doesnt know how to read logs. Then you just teach them in one hour. I mean I saw the line from Zeus and could understand it in seconds....So whats the prob?
Good luck for everyone applying.

papajchris
12-12-2011, 01:14 AM
Well still you should let everyone apply. Even the ones who doesnt know how to read logs. Then you just teach them in one hour. I mean I saw the line from Zeus and could understand it in seconds....So whats the prob?
Good luck for everyone applying.

If your interested in a practice test that I made last year, check it out here (http://forums.graalonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1599686&postcount=1).

I can't remember the answer to the question, but you are welcome to try it out and send me what you think is the answer. I'll get back to you later and check over your answer.

Note to all: Obviously I am not the one hiring the PR's, so don't go to the link I just posted, using that application.

WillaWonka
12-12-2011, 04:55 AM
I think the question was that someone scammed an Ap0, find the scammer and where it went, as well as all the items traded for it, each item had to be tracked in order to personally reverse them, if it was to complex just reset everyone's trades back to the same date(lol)

cheesemanfred
12-13-2011, 03:26 AM
Omg...You are PR Admin thats ur Job to teach new PRs stuff to do. I mean how long it could take to show someone how to read logs? 10-20 min?
When you are lazy you should quit ur Job and let someone else handle it. Seriously. Give everybody the same chance.

You're PR Admin? And I thought Era had bad staff members before. I would totally fire you.

You shouldn't be PR Admin if you believe training your staff is a waste of time.

Come onto Era and see how I handle things and I think you'll probably change your minds. And if not, then you're wrong. :D

Also, applications are currently closed! Thank you to all who applied. I will be reading the applications blind (I won't read the names on the applications), and then I'll obviously do the checks to see if you have a terrible history, etc. I'll announce the new PRs (if any of you are good enough ;) ) sometime this week!

Thanks again.

WillaWonka
12-13-2011, 10:00 PM
Mang.

LordSquirt
12-29-2011, 03:36 AM
I just saw the replies to the post I made a while ago...

I don't know if you're still PRA or whatever the title is known now, but saying you don't have time to teach players to read logs is quite idiotic. I wouldn't say reading logs is of vital importance in being PR, i.e. I remember Gabriel needed help some times and I gladly helped him, and look he's PWA now.

Also, I remember I taught Alf and Zeus when they were hired and look what they accomplished now. It honestly doesn't take too long to teach, the only thing they need to know is that ctrl f is your friend.

Sad to see how Era's leading PR is someone who knows so little

Emera
12-29-2011, 04:22 AM
I just saw the replies to the post I made a while ago...

I don't know if you're still PRA or whatever the title is known now, but saying you don't have time to teach players to read logs is quite idiotic. I wouldn't say reading logs is of vital importance in being PR, i.e. I remember Gabriel needed help some times and I gladly helped him, and look he's PWA now.

Also, I remember I taught Alf and Zeus when they were hired and look what they accomplished now. It honestly doesn't take too long to teach, the only thing they need to know is that ctrl f is your friend.

Sad to see how Era's leading PR is someone who knows so little

Gabe you're fired :3

Sinkler
12-29-2011, 08:32 AM
Hey, I started as lowly FAQ before I became a PWA! I had some familiarity with logs, but Squirt did help a lot. I just took what taught and became successful!

taylor
12-29-2011, 05:50 PM
may chisus be with u