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fowlplay4
01-04-2011, 12:53 AM
Just my previous V2 base for now but here's what we shaped the base UI into.

Updates/news will be announced when they occur.

http://forums.graalonline.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=52159&stc=1&d=1294095524

RegretZ
01-04-2011, 12:58 AM
Just my previous V2 base for now but here's what we shaped the base UI into.

Updates/news will be announced when they occur.

-img-

I can't see imageshack X.X
Can someone email it to me?

fowlplay4
01-04-2011, 12:59 AM
Used an attachment instead.

redsoxsrule424
01-04-2011, 01:07 AM
Wow looks good so far fowlplay!

RegretZ
01-04-2011, 01:08 AM
Used an attachment instead.

I have a suggestion for the spells and such!
Can I pm it to you by forum or by client? (Whichever you prefer)

fowlplay4
01-04-2011, 01:32 AM
I have a suggestion for the spells and such!
Can I pm it to you by forum or by client? (Whichever you prefer)

We are still working this out on our own, we'll open up for public suggestions when we're ready.

I will state two things that are very important to me and this project.

1. PvP
2. Instancing

cyan3
01-04-2011, 01:34 AM
Looks great so far :)


2. Instancing

Instancing sounds very interesting and I'm looking forward to see how it will turn out. It will be a nice break from pvping to do quests etc in your own little world.

RegretZ
01-04-2011, 01:37 AM
We are still working this out on our own, we'll open up for public suggestions when we're ready.

I will state two things that are very important to me and this project.

1. PvP
2. Instancing

With the amount of players you will be getting, PvP is going to be a big problem.
One idea is making pvp optional, so players who aren't fond of it won't be affected but the higher levels can go ahead and beat the crap out of each other.

Another big problem would be parties and shouts though.
Shouts are a huge part of zodiac, and on iphone....with that many players they may be a problem.

Also with parties, being able to see them and know who is in them as such.

cyan3
01-04-2011, 01:41 AM
With the amount of players you will be getting, PvP is going to be a big problem.
One idea is making pvp optional,

I'm not totally sure how it will work yet but wouldn't instancing solve that problem? It would be impossible to kill somebody in a different instance.

RegretZ
01-04-2011, 01:43 AM
I'm not totally sure how it will work yet but wouldn't instancing solve that problem? It would be impossible to kill somebody in a different instance.

Yes but it would hurt the social aspect of Graal the way I see it. Graal is a very social-based game.

fowlplay4
01-04-2011, 01:47 AM
I'm not totally sure how it will work yet but wouldn't instancing solve that problem? It would be impossible to kill somebody in a different instance.

Yes that's one of the many benefits of instancing.

The primary reason is really just to lower the amount of players on screen, less lag, more fun.

I'm also opting towards a Hub-world (with social hubs of course) style rather than an Open-world.

RegretZ
01-04-2011, 02:11 AM
Yes that's one of the many benefits of instancing.

The primary reason is really just to lower the amount of players on screen, less lag, more fun.

I'm also opting towards a Hub-world (with social hubs of course) style rather than an Open-world.

That would be weird...I'm so used to seeing people on the overworld.

DustyPorViva
01-04-2011, 02:21 AM
Is that image poorly compressed or did someone get happy with dithering?

RegretZ
01-04-2011, 02:22 AM
Is that image poorly compressed or did someone get happy with dithering?

I think it's the compression.

fowlplay4
01-04-2011, 02:54 AM
Is that image poorly compressed or did someone get happy with dithering?

Judge it for yourself.

The image is zoomed in as well. I screen-capped it on my touch4g which has a higher res I think.

Twinny
01-04-2011, 03:10 AM
Judge it for yourself.

The image is zoomed in as well. I screen-capped it on my touch4g which has a higher res I think.

The 4th generations are capable of higher resolution but I don't think Graal takes advantage of it (it would just make everything look zoomed out in the end). Can always check the GraalControl width and height though

Soala
01-04-2011, 03:30 AM
Retina display was kinda made for that.
4 times more pixels on the screen = bigger img = more details = better look.

DustyPorViva
01-04-2011, 03:33 AM
It's made for GUI's and a sleek interface, but it doesn't really have the power to render most games at that high of a resolution.

Tigairius
01-04-2011, 04:06 AM
The 4th generations are capable of higher resolution but I don't think Graal takes advantage of it (it would just make everything look zoomed out in the end). Can always check the GraalControl width and height though

I wish it would - it's not as if screen real estate isn't important.

RegretZ
01-04-2011, 04:19 AM
Seeing as he said it was taken from his iPhone 4g I would suspect testing on the iPhone has commenced?

Twinny
01-04-2011, 04:30 AM
Retina display was kinda made for that.
4 times more pixels on the screen = bigger img = more details = better look.

If the server was made from scratch to take advantage of it then it would be awesome. Currently, it would make things look very odd.

MagikMasterMind
01-04-2011, 05:09 AM
Can't see how players will deal with over 2 skills including slashing their weapon imo

Crono
01-04-2011, 11:09 AM
I'm also opting towards a Hub-world (with social hubs of course) style rather than an Open-world.

Tyhm wants you in him, now.

Demisis_P2P
01-04-2011, 11:53 AM
Can't see how players will deal with over 2 skills including slashing their weapon imo

Could easily fit 5 more buttons in the same shape as the direction buttons with a melee attack in the middle.
But making modifier buttons and 2-3 actual hotkey buttons would allow for way more options.
I play WoW with an Xbox controller and I have 20 spells hotkeyed, as well as shortcuts to target each party member in 25 man raids.

Crono
01-04-2011, 12:06 PM
I play WoW with an Xbox controller and I have 20 spells hotkeyed, as well as shortcuts to target each party member in 25 man raids.

What...

Demisis_P2P
01-04-2011, 12:26 PM
What...

Ya dude.
X, Y, A, B
LB + X, Y, A, B
LT + X, Y, A, B
RB + X, Y, A, B
RT + X, Y, A, B
For spells.

And then the same but with D-pad for targeting, plus left analogue stick in as another modifier.
Back and start are target next and target previous enemies.
Start + left analogue in is to target my target's target, etc. etc.

Would be a lot easier if there were PC drivers for the chatpad, but didn't take me long to get used to my current setup.

Crono
01-04-2011, 01:38 PM
crazy.

RegretZ
01-04-2011, 04:16 PM
I already contributed my idea ;3

smirt362
01-04-2011, 07:14 PM
How are you going to use skills and stuff?

Fulg0reSama
01-04-2011, 07:16 PM
how are you going to use skills and stuff?

voice commands! :D

Crono
01-04-2011, 07:23 PM
voice commands! :D

"lightning bolt!"

"lightning bolt!"

"lightning bolt!"

"sleep!"

Fulg0reSama
01-04-2011, 07:28 PM
"lightning bolt!"

"lightning bolt!"

"lightning bolt!"

"sleep!"

"Fireball!"

"Fireball!"

"Fireball!"

"Fire' uh- GOD ****ING DAMN IT, FIRE THE ****ING FIREBALL YOU MOTHER ****ING PIECE OF **** GYAAAAAAH!"

smirt362
01-04-2011, 07:53 PM
voice commands! :D

The louder you scream, the more powerful they are. :pluffy:

Crono
01-04-2011, 07:59 PM
"Fireball!"

"Fireball!"

"Fireball!"

"Fire' uh- GOD ****ING DAMN IT, FIRE THE ****ING FIREBALL YOU MOTHER ****ING PIECE OF **** GYAAAAAAH!"

j_ekugPKqFw

Fulg0reSama
01-04-2011, 08:13 PM
The louder you scream, the more powerful they are. :pluffy:

Fireball would be the most powerful spell ever...

MattKan
01-04-2011, 08:15 PM
j_ekugPKqFw

uhm wow

LordSquirt
01-04-2011, 10:07 PM
I wish I lived there

gwFCCtennis
01-06-2011, 12:51 AM
Are the spells going to use particle effects? It seems it would lag the client and crash (I crash on iEra just for opening the map half the time.)

fowlplay4
01-06-2011, 01:06 AM
Yes, particle effects are the only way we can really do it.

WhiteDragon
01-06-2011, 01:10 AM
If you manage to get any info, it'd be interesting to know what sort of modifiers on the particles make stuff lag more than others, other efficiency-related concerns, etc.

Looks good so far, will be interesting how this'll turn out compared to the other iPhone servers.

12171217
01-06-2011, 01:14 AM
Instancing.. I could kiss you right now.

Geno
01-06-2011, 04:33 AM
rofl LIGHTNING BOLD! LIGHTNING BOLD! LIGHTNING BOLT!

zenthor
01-06-2011, 09:45 AM
this is looking cool and wtf video

nullify
01-06-2011, 08:22 PM
Voice commands are better if they're said with a strange accent.

Fulg0reSama
01-06-2011, 08:29 PM
Voice commands are better if they're said with a strange accent.

Like a LARP nerd :cool:

Zeke_iPhoneGP
01-07-2011, 04:31 PM
Like a LARP nerd :cool:

lol on my desktop I can use voice commands (not that I use it that much), with Dragon Naturally Speaking. On Zodiac if I have my hotkeys set I can say the letter.. but not as fun as saying 'LIGHTING BOLT!!' :(

RegretZ
01-07-2011, 09:50 PM
lol on my desktop I can use voice commands (not that I use it that much), with Dragon Naturally Speaking. On Zodiac if I have my hotkeys set I can say the letter.. but not as fun as saying 'LIGHTING BOLT!!' :(

F!
U!
F!
U! *parents walk in*

zenthor
01-08-2011, 09:08 AM
lol on my desktop I can use voice commands (not that I use it that much), with Dragon Naturally Speaking. On Zodiac if I have my hotkeys set I can say the letter.. but not as fun as saying 'LIGHTING BOLT!!' :(


werent you doing that when i was with you on classic that time?

Zexon
01-08-2011, 12:01 PM
This will be the first ipod game i buy :0
Ill be sure to play it when it comes out to make my Druid Scout ...

redsoxsrule424
01-09-2011, 04:33 PM
I know its probably way too early to even be asking this question but any ETA for release?

fowlplay4
01-09-2011, 07:15 PM
I know its probably way too early to even be asking this question but any ETA for release?

We will post an update on the forums when we have one.

Zeke_iPhoneGP
01-10-2011, 01:04 AM
werent you doing that when i was with you on classic that time?

Yea I used it on iclassic one day but its no good with movement. Good for rc though.

Demisis_P2P
01-10-2011, 07:23 AM
Can you use an "analogue" thing like this rather than the four directional arrows?

http://iphonefreakz.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/Fifa-10.jpg

RegretZ
01-10-2011, 04:47 PM
Can you use an "analogue" thing like this rather than the four directional arrows?


Although I like that idea, I can't say I've had the best experience with those type of controls. Usually I've found that on the iPod, the simpler the better. That's just my opinion though.

cbk1994
01-10-2011, 11:51 PM
Can you use an "analogue" thing like this rather than the four directional arrows?

http://iphonefreakz.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/Fifa-10.jpg

You absolutely can, we used something like that on Era iPhone when I was in charge and frankly, it was a lot nicer than the virtual keys now (although we had some stuff in the gun system for strafing that made it viable).

Demisis_P2P
01-11-2011, 03:15 AM
You absolutely can, we used something like that on Era iPhone when I was in charge and frankly, it was a lot nicer than the virtual keys now (although we had some stuff in the gun system for strafing that made it viable).

Yep. I look at the directional buttons and they don't look very friendly for diagonal movement, and they cover up more screen real estate than a single analogue with a transparent directional ring.

DustyPorViva
01-11-2011, 03:21 AM
Yep. I look at the directional buttons and they don't look very friendly for diagonal movement, and they cover up more screen real estate than a single analogue with a transparent directional ring.
How much real estate it takes up has nothing to do with analog vs directional, but how large they make the button. In the end though it's all analog and simple snaps your player to a direction(since it just reads where your thumb is from the center).

redsoxsrule424
01-11-2011, 11:39 PM
To solve the button problem perhaps the app could also allow you to set the transparency, size and position? It works for other applications.

gwFCCtennis
01-20-2011, 02:40 AM
Voice command functions would work best for movement.

Your on a bus playing iZodiac.

"LEFT!"
"RIGHT!"
"DOWN!"
"LEFT!"

That'd be cool. Yell out random commands in public. Macro in random voice commands to activate a spell.

I'd set fireball to fire when I say "Oops I pooped my pants". That way when Im in public I could yell "OOPS I CRAPPED MY PANTS" and kill a noob. Who cares if people stare.

Crono
01-20-2011, 04:59 AM
...^

LordSquirt
01-20-2011, 01:41 PM
....

noob

Fulg0reSama
01-20-2011, 01:48 PM
I guess the people want voice commands. What do you say jerret? CAN WE VOCALIZE OUR DOOM UPON OUR ENEMIES ON THE iPHONE?

fowlplay4
01-20-2011, 04:48 PM
I guess the people want voice commands. What do you say jerret? CAN WE VOCALIZE OUR DOOM UPON OUR ENEMIES ON THE iPHONE?

Probably not since the GS2 functionality isn't there. I don't even think you can check how loud the actual input coming even is.

Fulg0reSama
01-20-2011, 04:51 PM
Probably not since the GS2 functionality isn't there. I don't even think you can check how loud the actual input coming even is.

odarn.

vEPiK
01-23-2011, 11:02 PM
Oh man, this game is surely going to attract many players that like MMORPG's.

xAndrewx
01-23-2011, 11:53 PM
haha cool

Chris do you have the gfx you used? maybe i can steal!!!

Enchanted Wolf XxX
01-28-2011, 01:22 PM
o hi

or instead of 4 skills, just reduce size of hotkey buttn and voila more skills, hoorah! ^^

let's hope zodiac mobile attracts more to PC :D

also let's hope they put grawl on phones w/ android OS

Jiroxys7
01-28-2011, 08:44 PM
o hi

or instead of 4 skills, just reduce size of hotkey buttn and voila more skills, hoorah! ^^

let's hope zodiac mobile attracts more to PC :D

also let's hope they put grawl on phones w/ android OS

Ehh.. Ever tried the arrow pad on Battle Online or w/e on the small setting? It gets pretty annoying trying to accurately hit all of those. I can only imagine the problems that mashing a bunch of skills like that would cause.

Also, personally I think it would be better if the skills were either lined up along the right side of the screen, or even better, in the shape of a box at the bottom right. Might be more comfortable.
edit: actually the box might just cause problems since the two bars at the top are fairly big. so nvm i guess.

Fulg0reSama
01-28-2011, 08:57 PM
Hopefully you guys make it where the party area is just a tab to be open and closed by touch that way people can get a quick view and stash it back up where it doesn't get in the way. Because what I see in Enchanted Wolf's attached image it seems like party display takes a good chunk of the screen.

smirt362
01-28-2011, 09:40 PM
You know how you can hold shift and bind skills to the capitilized version of the letter? Why not have a button that you can press to switch between two skill bars so that you can have 8 skills instead of 4.

nullify
01-28-2011, 09:40 PM
I doubt how that's the party system would be done, just saying.

Trakan
02-12-2011, 08:59 AM
Good work :D

Knux
02-13-2011, 01:42 AM
Are you going to be paid at all for this?

fowlplay4
05-11-2011, 05:40 PM
Update: I personally will not be pursuing this project any further.

Felix_Xenophobe
05-11-2011, 05:57 PM
yeee more focus on v2! plz tell me it is so jerrot

Jiroxys7
05-12-2011, 07:12 AM
Update: I personally will not be pursuing this project any further.

That's unfortunate :(

cbk1994
05-12-2011, 01:22 PM
That's unfortunate :(

Can't blame him. Just look at how Era iPhone and Classic iPhone have been mutated from their parent servers.

smirt362
05-12-2011, 02:53 PM
Update: I personally will not be pursuing this project any further.

Whys that?

fowlplay4
05-12-2011, 04:14 PM
Whys that?

Lack of motivation (doesn't help that it feels like a soul-devouring job) mainly and it just doesn't seem worth it.

Emera
05-12-2011, 07:04 PM
I love it!

fowlplay4
05-12-2011, 08:59 PM
I love it!

That's nice but it will probably never go any further than the images I posted.

ffcmike
05-12-2011, 10:40 PM
The fact that he has a chance of preventing this besmirchment is why it's unfortunate.

If the powers that be intend for Zodiac to exist as an iPhone server past occurrences are an example to suggest current/past staff will be approached first, with global staff approached second for having the reigns put on them.
If this does indeed turn out to be the case the best you can hope for is that it would be somebody that has the servers interests at heart, as opposed to somebody seeking personal gain or with an agenda against the parent server.

Crono
05-12-2011, 10:41 PM
brb starting iZodiac

heard im a pro scripter

WarLord2004
05-17-2011, 12:38 PM
hmm and i was thinking twice of getting me and my bro on coming back for this project o well RIP izodiac?

Admins
05-17-2011, 03:14 PM
It's still planned that Zodiac will come to iPhone, we were just a little bit busy with the Facebook version.

Astram
05-17-2011, 05:44 PM
It's still planned that Zodiac will come to iPhone, we were just a little bit busy with the Facebook version.
Great...

WarLord2004
05-18-2011, 02:22 AM
It's still planned that Zodiac will come to iPhone, we were just a little bit busy with the Facebook version.

Sounds nice i just hope this is pushed on more. I love rpg servers Zod has progress but i was shocked how i logged in last night and saw only 10 people online O.o

Pimmeh
05-18-2011, 06:19 AM
Sounds nice i just hope this is pushed on more. I love rpg servers Zod has progress but i was shocked how i logged in last night and saw only 10 people online O.o

Whut? Zodiac has the highest playercount at the moment, doesn't it?

Crono
05-18-2011, 06:43 AM
Sounds nice i just hope this is pushed on more. I love rpg servers Zod has progress but i was shocked how i logged in last night and saw only 10 people online O.o

must have been a low moment because zodiac is consistently highest for most of the day :P

BigBear3
03-28-2013, 11:38 PM
mr. knorr?

Elk
03-29-2013, 01:45 AM
Yes, Mr. Knorr?

TheDarkSlash
05-11-2013, 09:56 PM
Is the Zodiac Project unfinished or is it dead?

GodlyAmbitions
05-13-2013, 11:04 AM
its probably dead, wooden servers on pc graal !pissed!

Cubical
05-13-2013, 02:22 PM
Just a heads up. Zodiac was just released on the amazon app store.

fowlplay4
05-13-2013, 03:37 PM
Just a heads up. Zodiac was just released on the amazon app store.

Yes, we've switched to our true passion and that's giving out horoscopes.

Fulg0reSama
05-13-2013, 04:14 PM
Yes, we've switched to our true passion and that's giving out horoscopes.

E0PIdWdw15U

Rave_J
05-14-2013, 07:07 PM
just a heads up. Zodiac was just released on the amazon app store.

lies!!!!!!!!!!!!

callimuc
05-14-2013, 07:21 PM
lies!!!!!!!!!!!!

thanks captain obvious

Rave_J
05-15-2013, 02:11 AM
thanks captain obvious

Your Welcome Any time:)

septers
05-18-2013, 08:06 AM
I tried making Graal work on my Ipad, as I wanted to watch tv and play graal at the same time.
This was the result:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYUwxKAcshk

It was ok and there wasn't any lag, but it turns out its funner just to play on the pc.

To achieve this I used splashtop 2 app and the addon or whatever its called that lets you add programmable buttons onto the screen. Its not free so it kinda sucks, but it works.
It also requires you to have graal running on your pc.

Astro_Matik
05-18-2013, 01:54 PM
so, is ZodiacIphone project gonna be continued or no? Will it be released?

TheDarkSlash
05-19-2013, 12:53 AM
I think it will not be released... delteria destroyd fowlplay4's ideas... That's it.

fowlplay4
05-19-2013, 03:34 AM
I think it will not be released... delteria destroyd fowlplay4's ideas... That's it.

good one, except my plans are much different than vvhat I've seen from them.

not being motivated enough to develop an entire game for free (when im not working full-time) is the real kicker here.

dylan
05-19-2013, 02:42 PM
good one, except my plans are much different than vvhat I've seen from them.

not being motivated enough to develop an entire game for free (when im not working full-time) is the real kicker here.

Make it on your own platform if compensation is really the issue here.

TheDarkSlash
05-22-2013, 04:42 PM
But it would be cool if Zodiac comes out because Zodiac is a original idea and not like delteria...

TheDarkSlash
05-22-2013, 04:42 PM
If there's a application for Zodiac iPhone i would everytime apply...

Elk
05-31-2013, 01:47 PM
So would I

Fulg0reSama
05-31-2013, 09:19 PM
But it would be cool if Zodiac comes out because Zodiac is a original idea and not like delteria...

I'm sorry sir, but I must ask you to leave the premises for the weapons grade bullshit you have carried into the conversation.

TheDarkSlash
06-08-2013, 06:16 PM
I'm sorry sir, but I must ask you to leave the premises for the weapons grade bullshit you have carried into the conversation.

What you talk man?

Fulg0reSama
06-08-2013, 06:59 PM
What you talk man?

Zodiac and Delteria as your comparisons.
Simply put, what makes Delteria unoriginal, while Zodiac is yet an original idea?

Remind you I worked for Delteria since before It was even to go to the mobile servers and even then I worked within that phase as well.

TheDarkSlash
06-09-2013, 01:06 AM
Zodiac and Delteria as your comparisons.
Simply put, what makes Delteria unoriginal, while Zodiac is yet an original idea?

Remind you I worked for Delteria since before It was even to go to the mobile servers and even then I worked within that phase as well.

Hmm for me looks delteria the same like zodiac i see no difference... And yes before it cames up to mobile it was not like magic and spells... Swords...

xXziroXx
06-09-2013, 01:50 AM
Hmm for me looks delteria the same like zodiac i see no difference... And yes before it cames up to mobile it was not like magic and spells... Swords...

I know nothing about Delteria's gameplay, but by your logic Zodiac was a clone of Maloria which was a clone of Graal Kingdoms which was a clone of Valikorlia. That's just wrong thinking when all three's gameplay has been drastically different (not even including GK, I mean, what gameplay? x.x). Just because it's an RPG doesn't mean it's the same as any other.

Draenin
06-09-2013, 02:14 AM
Just because it's an RPG doesn't mean it's the same as any other.
I completely agree. All of the RPG servers we've ever had have been unique in their own way, and they're not 'rip-offs' of each other. Just because they feature similar things does not mean their mechanics or environments are the same.

Fulg0reSama
06-09-2013, 07:17 AM
Hmm for me looks delteria the same like zodiac i see no difference... And yes before it cames up to mobile it was not like magic and spells... Swords...

Believe me, the way Zodiac and Delteria carry themselves as an RPG are different. I know it's easy to look at it from the observing point of view, select a few of the basic RPG elements and call them copies, but you have to analyze much more deeply within each game before you can properly grasp a fair judgment, aka "Don't judge a book by its cover.".

Crono
06-09-2013, 12:31 PM
Graal servers that don't follow the default system always held monopoly-like positions when it came to their genres. For example, Era was a unique modern server and everything else was considered a clone. Val, Mal, and Zod all dominated the RPG genre at some point and everything else was just a clone. People compare Zod and Delt from an RPG perspective because Zodiac has been Graal's dominant RPG server since 2006.

MysticalDragon
09-19-2014, 12:43 PM
until 2014 :)

Crono
09-19-2014, 01:22 PM
until 2014 :)

:confused:

Cubical
09-19-2014, 01:53 PM
i heard zodiac iphone is 92% complete. just needs more block.png

fowlplay4
09-19-2014, 02:01 PM
i heard zodiac iphone is 92% complete. just needs more block.png

you should spread more block.png around before giving it to cubical again.